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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:08 AM
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God-damn George Will...
He just said that 1) Bush did not do anything illegal if he "declassified" information from the NIE and allowed it to be leaked, and 2) (and this is the kicker)... there is nothing wrong if he did that for the sole purpose of hurting his detractors on the Iraq war and not for the purpose of national security.

You complete reprobate, Georgie! George Will gets my nomination for Worst Person in the World award for this week! :grr::mad::grr::mad: :argh: :puke:

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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:09 AM
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1. SEE?! They forgive him ANYTHING to retain power. This shit HAS to stop!
:grr:
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:11 AM
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3. Sure not looking like it's happening anytime soon does it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:15 AM
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8. The corporatists will forgive him anything to retain power...
...because power and profit are their sole reason to exist. The fundies and joe lunchbuckets, however, are a different story.

NGU.


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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:11 AM
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2. So, why the cover-up then?
If it wasn't illegal, why not just tell Fitzgerald that it wasn't illegal? Heck, why not go to Ashcroft at justice and tell him not to appoint a special prosecutor in the first place, since nothing illegal was done. There is a formal process in place for declassifying documents/information. It's not, "hey wink wink, nudge nudge, Wilson's wife is a NOC... by the way, that's not classified anymore since I said so."

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 AM
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15. Because then you would have to admit that you knew all along
that the yellow cake story was doubtful or false. Bush could not take responsibility because the next question would have been, "Then did you lie about the yellow cake?" He is still covering up for the fact that he lied and our soldiers died.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:11 AM
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4. He's one of the reasons I ignore these stupid shows.
Other reasons: Cokie Roberts, Russert, Tweety, etc.

Amy Goodman is on cspan2 right now, in case you want to hear a legitimate voice.
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90-percent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:14 AM
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6. consequences
I want to know the real consequences for this treasonous outing!

In terms of dead humans and destroyed intelligence that is vital to THE SECURITY OF OUR COUNTRY!

I want the damage they did to be quantified in terms all human beings can understand!

-85% Jimmy
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:12 AM
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5. George Will has fancy flowers and ill logic with a garlic breath
:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :argh: :puke:
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Applan Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:15 AM
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7. Thankfully, the people disagree with these idiots
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:23 AM
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9. remember last week he was touting, 'global warming a farce'
bs too. This guy is a shill, but, for who for???
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:23 AM
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10. I hate Cokie more
You always knew where you were with George, but Cokie went over to the dark side big time. :(
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:52 AM
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16. He's a GOP apparachik who stole President Carter's debate briefing book.
And gave it to the Reagan Campaign in 1980. And he got away with it and continues to enjoy a career as an "honorable" man.

He's not. He's a jackal who attempts to appear legitimately human by touting his love of baseball. But he's a jackal to the core.

Cokie Roberts? In my opinion, the dark side killed her father. And now she's a corrupted Washington "princess" who joined the Empire and became a spokesman for Palpatine. I've considered fear as a motivation for her twisted conversion.

It has come out recently that the Washington politician first discussing the JFK assassination with Jim Garrison was Cokie's dad, Hale Boggs, and not Sen. Russell Long as portrayed in the "JFK" movie. Boggs was a secret source for Jim Garrison's investigation and disappeared in 1972 while flying in Alaska.

We've all read and hard about the atrocities of J. Edgar Hoover and his secret files that held elected officials in check via potential blackmail. Just because J. Edgar Hoover's dead, I don't that that practice is dead in Washington.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:28 AM
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11. George Will is a lying right wing GOP POS
Just another example of the "liberal media" dominating the American airwaves...
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Tool Fan Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:38 AM
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12. BECAUSE THE CAUSE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE MEANS....
If you believe in the ideology that sent us into this stupid war, then you also believe that the President "did what he had to do" to get the support, kind of like the end justifying the means.

WHat would John Wayne do?

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:41 AM
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13. Notice he ALWAYS has a bully pulpit from which to spew his BS
ALWAYS! The corporate media machine makes sure people like George "I'm Full of it" Will has a megaphone to blast his noise at us. Every single week, he is on there to pontificate about the latest events and offer his informed opinion. Informed by what?
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:42 AM
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14. What George Will and the Right-Wingers don't get is that
the real purpose of this leak and the campaign against Wilson was to cover up the fact that the entire rush to invade Iraq was based on a BIG LIE.

Wilson was sent to Niger to investigate the authenticity of the Niger documents and the story the Hussein had bought yellow cake from Niger.

Wilson found that the yellow cake story was untrue.

Wilson reported that fact to the CIA. The CIA reported that the yellow cake story might not be true IN THE NIE.

After the NIE had been published and Bush presumably knew its contents, Bush represented that the yellow cake story was true and was a reason for invading Iraq.

Bush knew when he represented that the yellow cake story was true and a reason for invading Iraq that, in fact, it was unsubstantiated, it was possibly false and was not a reason for invading Iraq.

The NIE shows that Bush lied about the quality of the evidence on the yellow cake story in order to get the U.S. to invade Iraq.

Thus, when Wilson's article was published, Bush was faced with a dilemma. He needed to discredit Wilson on the one hand, and he needed to maintain the facade that he had been misled about the yellow cake story on the other. The existence of the NIE is proof that Bush lied, therefore, he hoped to be able to leak the info about Wilson's wife and discredit Wilson without drawing too much attention to the NIE, which shows him to have lied to persuade Americans to support his invasion of Iraq.

Bush supporters just cannot bring themselves to admit that Bush lied in order to get us into Iraq. That is simply incompatible with their world view. They are mired in deep denial, and they can't step out of it. Because they can't follow the logic through to the inevitable conclusion that most Americans have already reached -- BUSH LIED and MANY PEOPLE DIED -- they don't understand what is wrong.

Remember, many die-hard Republicans defend Nixon's lies and snooping to this day. They just don't get it. We don't take them seriously. George Will and his ilk are die hard Republicans. They are the Nixon defenders. They aren't just defending Bush. They really don't get it. The public is moving past them very quickly. Bush lied. The cover-up of the declassification of the NIE and the campaign against Wilson prove it. It's checkmate against the Bushies, but they can't see that many moves ahead, so we'll just have to play the game out until their King stands there, alone and defenseless on the chess board. It was checkmate at the moment that Bush had to decide between trying to discredit Wilson by releasing the NIE or just allowing Wilson's story to stand without a response. Either way, it would be clear that Bush had lied about the yellow cake. So, Bush and Cheney decided to leak the Plame bit and then declassify the NIE -- to cast suspicion on Wilson and shift the focus away from the story that Bush lied to the story that Plame was CIA. Even shifting to the "who leaked it" story was better than letting the press focus on the "Bush lied" story.

It's the Rove waltz all over again. Three simple steps. Lie, distract and move on to the next story. It's about time the press catches on that it's always the same three steps with the Rove crowd: lie, distract and move on to the next story, and that they (the press) are being dragged across the floor by Rove.
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:35 PM
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17. I have just gotta wonder what Georgie would make of such maneuvers...
...had they been performed by the Clinton administration.

Guesses, anyone?

speculatively,
Bright
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:38 PM
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18. I saw that, too.
For the first time in years I checked in with Step's show and yes, they are STILL protecting and covering up for *.

It's not going to change, folks. They apparently are backing the neocon plans for world domination and as a result, any illegal thing * has to do to achieve it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 12:44 PM
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19. George was trying to cut every else off...'ceptin' Lil' Ol' Cokie
He is such a friggin' partisan hack. If there was ever a baseball analogy to use on him, it's that he's out on strikes.
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