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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:02 PM
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In your heart of hearts, do you believe Bush will invade Iran?
At first I didn't believe so. I figured our military was stretched so thin that we would not be able to sustain any kind of extended war on a third front. Iran is a much larger country than Iraq is and has a much more formidable military. There would be no way that an invasion wouldn't be a disaster. We would need to reinstate the draft just to have enough numbers to go in. I doubt very highly that war would be limited to just Iran either. Even limited air strikes could trigger a jihad. I could see attacks on US interests around the world, including inside the the borders of the US. I think it would be the start of WWIII as I don't think that Russia or China would take our side. In other words, no US leader would be foolish enough to attempt invading Iran.

That said, I am seeing the same kind of saber rattling that we heard before Bush invaded Iraq. Bush, Cheney, and Condi are saying that Iran is a threat to the world with the same certainty that they would say that the sky is blue. Iran is being demonized even though they are not doing anything illegal. What makes it scary is the way that the MSM and the average American on the street takes what Bush says at face value. "If George Bush says that Iran is a threat to America, then it must be a fact."

If Bush indeed wants to invade Iran (and is not just talking tough for diplomatic reasons), then Bush must have some kind of messianic complex and the world should truly be afraid of America with a mentally unstable person as its leader. It seems like Bush believes that he is King of the World, and he can do what he wants.

What about you dear readers, do you believe that Bush will invade Iran? Will he use nuclear weapons? Or is this just tough talk?
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:03 PM
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1. No. As divorced from reality as he is, he knows he will be defeated.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:09 PM
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10. I Haven't Heard Anyone Standing Up And Squashing The Idea!
In fact, I do believe I heard on one of the morning shows that right now, THE PENTAGON hasn't even nixed it!

Oh, I remember it was on C-Span. Dropping a couple of nukes won't require a HUGE army you know, just a couple of planes. If This Idiot STILL can't see what a mess Iraq is, it's not hard to make the leap to Iran!! It's ALL about DIVERSION for them!

We can forget whether the ECONOMY is doing well or not, there won't be an economy or middle class to think about. Remember D.C. has all those tunnels!!
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:42 PM
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24. * & cheney are both batshit crazy
and so are the posters who advocate either bombing or invading. Iran is not close to getting a nuke.
If we kill people (muslims) this will inflame the entire middle east even further than it is.
We don't have the military force left --read what Sen. Hegel said. Officers are diving off this sinking ship. The reason the Pentagon hasn't squashed the idea is cause that isn't their job. They are told by the civilian leadership to draw up a plan. Till someone leaks the deep distrust and anger in the pentagon we won't know what is happening.
This is terrible and I'm distressed that people here even think this is a good idea.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:11 PM
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32. Anyone With Half A Brain Knows If THEY Leak... THEY'RE
the ones that get squashed. Starting way back with P. O'neil and work you way up the ladder.

Tell me ONE person who has succeeded in taking these BASTARDS to the woodshed!!

I tell you, we need to HIT THE STREETS!!
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:04 PM
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2. hard to say
I just don't know.

Even sabre rattling is ominous these days.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:04 PM
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3. not invade -- but bomb the nuclear facilities -- yes.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:05 PM
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4. what you said. nt
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:14 PM
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14. Agree also
Bomb yes, invade no.
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Voltaire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:07 PM
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30. My GOD people
Do you really trust this administration to carry out "just" a bombing?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:06 PM
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6. Yes ~ he is a finished fool
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wake.up.america Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:08 PM
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9. No grip on reality, will bomb Iran, militants will become more active...
increase attacks, Bush declares martial from a bunker deep within the Rocky Mountains.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:43 PM
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25. Yes. My feeling as well. n/t
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:05 PM
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29. This gets my vote as well (nt)
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 09:11 PM
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37. Sorry, but it won't end with the bombing
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 09:20 PM by IDemo
To suppose that RoveCo would be content with the results of a bombing campaign, even one which included "low-level" nukes, is questionable at best. What would that achieve, after all, besides further inflammation of anti-US sentiment in the Muslim world, and in the rest of the world as well?

There are three things the PNAC'rs running the show seek (in my opinion):

1) - Regime change in any nation with petro-resources. Regime change which results in chaos, civil war, ceaseless US military deaths, untold numbers of civilian population deaths, destruction of infrastructure. "Regrettable, but necessary".

2) - Direct control of petro-resources, either directly or via the newly "democratic" government.

3) - A message to other resource hungry nations (China, India, Japan, etc.) that the US fully intends to control energy-rich regions in the future, using military force if necessary. The use of nukes in Iran would drive this point home.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:18 PM
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38. You're right. It won't end with bombing
I agree with everything you say. But I think the other reason it won't with bombing is because of what the Iranians reaction would be. If Bush thinks that the Iranian people will be humiliated and overthrow their government, then he is indeed smoking something really good. If Bush bombs them, they will retaliate with terrorist attacks, and then Bush will have to invade with ground troups so that we can fight them over there instead of fighting them over here.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:06 PM
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5. I believe he will be under considerable pressure to, from the cabal of
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:24 PM by Old Crusoe
Cheney/Kristol/Perle/etc. -- they've wanted this since forever.

But a handful of others will act to put a stop to it. Global economy counts, and Bush's reputation is already on the skids. So I think for once more cool-browed counsel will prevail.

That's not to say I'm not concerned. These are reptilian hotheads and like most bullies, they believe in violence as a problem-solving strategy.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:07 PM
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7. he is a viscious monster, and now he is cornered and wounded
i don't think it's a question of what he will try.
war on iran is pretty much the only card he has left to play.

the question is, will those around him permit it?
THEY have options. shrub does not.
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Marlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:13 PM
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13. He's very dangerous
He's like a cornered rat right now, he's not dealing with a full deck and
unfortunately, the people around him aren't exactly competent. Their past
performance proves that. Maybe he will be stopped - I think so, but I won't sleep
well until that man and his cronies no longer have their finger near the red
button. I'm sure the rest of the world feels the same way.
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darkmaestro019 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:07 PM
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8. I believe he will, if he is permitted to do so.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:08 PM by darkmaestro019
I don't think he's going to suddenly GROW a clue, or a speck of concern for the well-being of America or the world in general, and I don't think he's going to wake up one day with his megalomania missing. If the fatcats and sycophants around him go along, yeah. He'll invade.

I'm praying that either I'm wrong, or the yes-men that orbit him will finally locate their spines and/or balls and say no, out of fear for their own safety or that of their families. Surely even evil fucks have loved ones? Though they are well insulated from the worst of what will result from this lunacy with deep, thick walls of money.
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:09 PM
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11. Fortunate son learned lesson from Czar Nicky: War can be unifying
So now is time for 'Mercans to get behind their boy one last time as we unleash the weapon many neocons have desperately been wanting to use for years... Today Tehran, tomorrow San Francisco!!!
Hoo - Rah!

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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:13 PM
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12. To claim that Herr Busch will not attack Iran is to ignore his past....
...history as our Fearless Leader, and his religious beliefs.
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spuddonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:22 PM
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15. I totally believe * thinks he will invade Iran, and will use nukes...
But whether or not he'll be able to get to Joint Chiefs to go along with it is another question.

I'm hoping our top military leaders start hiding the 'suitcase of doom' or whatever the hell they call it from *, and treat this Iran invasion the same way.

Hersh has said that many of the top brass are thinking of resigning. I would hope that an exodus of top military leaders would have the desired effect - to scare Congress enough to realize the Pres is bats, but I dunno.

I heard all sorts of rational arguments from members of my family, and newspeople as to why we'd 'never REALLY invade Iraq', and we did. I think that using rational logic to predict what this administration will do is flawed, because they just don't follow rational logic. The * admin. bases decisions on flawed intel from yes men and 'friends', and conducts business based on cronyism and payola.

The Bush junta has blown off even their own State Dept in the handling and securing of Iraq after the war. What makes us think these nuts will use better common sense this time? :shrug:
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:24 PM
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16. Not invade, bomb.
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:24 PM by Neil Lisst
aerial attacks, not land
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:25 PM
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17. I haven't ruled out the possibility of air strikes.
Ground attack is insane and out of the question.

Then again, invading Iraq when they weren't the enemy was pretty insane too.



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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:30 PM
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18. No. Bomb. Show exciting videos. Wave flag. Announce victory.
Have grim faced talking heads in camouflage assure us that it was absolutely necessary based on "intelligence reports", and that the loss of civilian life is regretful. Award medals to heroic pilots. Speak of "Duty, Honor, Country" to tumultuous applause from selected audience. Decline to answer any pertinent questions "until all the facts are in". End with stirring chorus of "God Bless America" and back to the Big Game or Shopping Channel.

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aden_nak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:31 PM
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19. I think he'd gladly nuke it.
Which is a might scarier.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:36 PM
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20. It Would Be BatShit Crazy to Invade Iran -- And Yes They Would!
because they ARE batshit crazy. :scared:
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DELUSIONAL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:36 PM
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21. bushie still has toys to play with -- like sub delivered nukes
or "tactical" nukes.

There is an inspections (for nukes) going on now in Iran (just like the weapons inspectors were allowed into Iraq). Whatever these inspection turns up -- it doesn't matter -- no matter how open the Iranian will be.

The inspectors will be ordered out or will leave and then the bombing will begin. Just bombing -- no invasion.

But I really am worried that the insane idiots in the white house won't be happy until they try once again to "bring" democracy by bombing the hell out of another country. This time the stakes are way higher -- and bushie is even crazier than he was.
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:37 PM
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22. i think he'll bomb . . . probably w/out telling the 'murkin
Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 02:39 PM by ellenfl
people. anything more and he WILL be impeached. i kinda hope he oversteps . . . again . . . so we can be rid of him. his pnac buddies and the american jewish establishment will push for it. i understand that israel is not in favor tho'. of course, israelis do have to live next door to all the fighting and, unlike our fearless leaders, they HAVE served in the military.

btw, i don't think he ever got to fully utilize his bunker buster bombs, did he? i'm sure he is looking forward to playing with this toy. what a friggin' cowboy!

ellen fl
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:41 PM
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23. all he needs is a "terris attack"
preferably real. They have corrected their errors,and gotten rid of the professional intelligence experts on the first war buildup,who might speak up, and have achieved half their demonization goals already. His only option is bombing. Iran will get lots of help
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:49 PM
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26. K&R Don't know but I hope that there are still some sane people in the
Pentagon and the Corporate Overlords.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 02:50 PM
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27. No. HE won't invade anything
He will send America's sons and daughters (and mothers and dads) to fight and die in his unholy name.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 03:04 PM
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28. yes, he has the example of the "easy" wars of Reagan and the easy war in
Iraq under his father and he thinks all wars are like that. Also he only has 3 more years to remake the world in his image. And only 3 more years in which he can play nuclear war somewhere . Hope cooler heads talk him out of it. Where is poppy bush when you really need him. At least he has read a history book or 2.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 04:09 PM
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31. Bomb yes. Invade no. Bombing he can do. I don't know that invading
would be possible without wholesale pullout of troops from Iraq to do so.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:12 PM
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33. Invade? No. Bomb? Yes.
According to the Hersh article, they want to bomb them into regieme change.

They are fucking nuts.
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:44 PM
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34. Bush will bomb Iran. He won't invade.
The Bushies think that a bombing campaign is enough to topple Iran's regime and
that exiles will rush in to fill the resulting vacuum. It won't work,
but I doubt they have a backup plan when it fails.

The Army is in no condition to invade a third country and a military draft
is a long term option at best. Besides, when the bombing starts, Shi'ite Iraq
will explode and the U.S. will have all it can handle with a war by proxy against
Iran in southern Iraq.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:46 PM
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35. Bomb...yes.......... Invade...no.
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 07:53 PM
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36. I think something will definately happen to Iran, what I can't say
I don't know if will invade or just bomb Iran, but I believe he will definately do something.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:31 PM
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39. I don't know.
I hope to God not. I sincerely believe that Bush is insane, though, so how do you predict what a crazy man will do?
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-09-06 10:36 PM
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40. The nukes will fly.
I have zero doubt it's going to happen.

Remember Martin Sheen in Dead Zone? That's *bush.
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