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Sun Apr-09-06 10:35 PM
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Mark Crispin Miller on BookTV/ CSPAN2 NOW |
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Tune in for the most rational discussion of the state of our federal elections, for an acute analysis of BushCo and their base.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:39 PM
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I saw it today. He's a little bothersome as he tries a bit too hard to choose the right word, but he pretty much says the right things. It is sad that we have this pretend democracy, and that Democrats are unwilling to admit the depth of the possibilities. Certainly it isn't so far-fetched, his dad has connections in the CIA, and Republicans own the companies that make the machines. Jesus, it's like Jeb Bush being the governor of the state that screwed us all in 2000, it isn't a huge logical leap or anything. THe more of those machines they get installed, the harder it'll be to ever win again.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 PM
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2. Jeb will be the next Thug candidate that steals the presidency. |
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And those machines have to be installed by law (HAVA). What a sweet deal.
And we looked down our nose at Guatemala.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 PM
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:44 PM
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:50 PM
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5. Mark said, we're in a "funk" after the 2004 election. |
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Are we still there? I know I was for some months even as I went through the motions.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:54 PM
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6. "They could run Jesus Christ himself and they would still lose." |
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"We aren't living in a democracy, we're living in something else."
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:55 PM
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Scared the hell out of me.
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Sun Apr-09-06 10:56 PM
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8. Me, too. Now, let's get busy. |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:02 PM
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9. I have a problem with his take on Kerry; if he thinks it was |
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stolen, what could Kerry have done that wouldn't have resounded for years and only sound like sour grapes? I think Kerry is doing great, and I still respect him!
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:06 PM
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10. I don't think Mark is attacking Sen Kerry at all. |
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What he's saying, imho, is, even this guy, this guy who won the election and was deprived of his victory -- a victory he richly deserved -- can't really come out because the CULTURE binds him.
There's no shame in that. It's just the horrific pressure that being in that culture exerts.
I don't know if that makes sense.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:13 PM
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12. He has chastised Kerry. I don't want to get |
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into it, but many Dems on here say the same thing, the dumb mantra, Kerry didn't do enough. Perhaps he didn't, but what would his fighting have accomplished? I don't know. I still remember those debates, and Kerry's recent appearances, and the man is a gem to me compared to what we're dealing with.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:20 PM
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14. I think what we saw between Mark and John was unfiltered |
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and not what either of them would have put out. Remember how raw we all were?
He did chastise Kerry early on. When that story broke. And I agree, let's not get sidetracked.
We need verifiable elections. Or, we have nothing.
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Mon Apr-10-06 02:01 AM
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29. He said Kerry giving in so quickly |
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was as bad as stealing the election itself. A dumb thing to say. Of course if I was talking for an hour on my feet I'd no doubt say dumb things too.
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Mon Apr-10-06 11:43 AM
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30. Sure, me too. And, there Mark was illustrating the frustration |
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a lot of us felt as we watched the trainwreck. :(
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:11 PM
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11. I respect the senator and would vote for him too in a heartbeat. |
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I don't think that Mark Miller is bashing the senator he is just pointing out what the Senator should have done and what he missed. If Senator Kerry heeds his advice he will be invincible next time. It's too Senator Kerry's credit that he's smart enough to learn from his mistakes.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:16 PM
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13. I agree. Plus, you would have to be a superhero |
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to overcome the taboo around the issue of election theft.
The pressure must be crushing. And John Kerry is not a cartoon but a real man. That is why so many people find him so attractive.
John Kerry most probably won the 2004 election. Imagine having to live with that knowledge and still move on as a public servant.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:23 PM
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16. Wow, that could be why he's fighting so hard, for us! |
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I've read stuff about this blue blood New Englander who doesn't have a clue, but I just don't get that impression. He does have his thumb on the pulse of what's going on.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:27 PM
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17. If I were him, I'd be pissed and trying to work it out. |
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As Mark says, it's deeply disturbing to know your elections mean NOTHING.
John Kerry knows. What he does with that will be something to see.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:28 PM
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18. Senator Kerry's not a Superhero but he is a silver star war hero . (nt) |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:34 PM
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21. Yes, he is. Thank you for the reminder. |
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In addition to all of his other achievements, he is a war hero.
Thank you, John. We are in your debt.
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:22 PM
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15. i rarely watch tv but based on earlier du thread i wanted to watch this |
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and am glad i did
and am so thankful that mr miller is out there crying in our wilderness as like everyone else i am greatly looking forward to the article that will appear later this month about election theft
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:31 PM
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20. We're lucky to have such mind taking up for our vote. |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:57 PM
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25. right on - knew i would see you on this thread |
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and very glad i did
any guesses as to whom mcm was referring (the article later this month...)
"someone who knows a lot of people" can be very relative but i think we have also learned not to get overly excited that things said will actually be reported or discussed
and heres a big thank you to cspan booknotes my mom and i used to often watch booknotes probably 15 years ago - she would have turned this particular discussion off in a second but i gratefully watched
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Mon Apr-10-06 12:05 AM
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26. The person who comes to mind for me must be a wrong guess. |
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Hendrick Hertsberg but that can't be right. He does a lot of political commentary for the New Yorker but most people won't recognize his name.
We have something to look forward to.
:)
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Mon Apr-10-06 12:21 AM
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28. yes he did say it was a well known name |
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again ive learned that is quite relative but heres to the looking forward
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:29 PM
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19. Buy "Fooled Again" Here... |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:46 PM
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22. Yes! Check it out and share it. |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:50 PM
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23. if it is ever available online, I can make DVDs |
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Sun Apr-09-06 11:52 PM
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24. It is or will be posted to the CSPAN site. |
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Edited on Sun Apr-09-06 11:52 PM by sfexpat2000
Slit Skirt and I are trying to get permission to copy and SEND T0 OUR REPS.
Although, if it were an underground movement that involved no exchange of cash . . .
:evilgrin:
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