Who thinks Ms. McKinney should not have apologized ?

Justice Is Comin

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:01 AM
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Who thinks Ms. McKinney should not have apologized ?

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babylonsister

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:07 AM
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1. Not me.

She stirred up shit about an 'event' that no one has a clue about.
Provide a tape where she was wronged, and we'll talk. Otherwise, get
0ff the pot. And she has.

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cantstandbush

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Mon Apr-10-06 11:17 AM
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35. Not me. she should have so immediately. n/t

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shance

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:10 AM
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2. Apologize for what? Would Newt Gingrich or Dennis Hastert apologize?

Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 01:11 AM by shance

Of course not. They would have shooed any police off, not have given it a second thought, maybe smiled and waved at their fans. They would have been given a "yes sir!" and perhaps even a "go get em Sir" for not having their pin and/or credentials.

That's the difference.

That's the prejudice that is ignored and intentionally overlooked. Women, certainly African American women are targets and most certainly expendable if they are not on the gravy train.

They knew who Cynthia McKinney was. Perhaps that is the problem right there. They knew.

Cynthia McKinney was probably told to apologize because she's not in the club and she never will be, and she has to do what she can just to keep her seat. She doesn't play their game and she's not a white privileged Congressional male who receives carte blanche treatment, which is of course why she was targeted in the first place.

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hfojvt

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:09 AM
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16. a Speaker should be a little bit more recognizable

than an ordinary member of Congress. There's only one of them, but then I realized that there are not that many black women in Congress either. Of the 43 members of the CBC only 14 are women. As such, they should be more recognizable than the other 500+ members of Congress.

My take from the beginning has been, if I was the cop, I would have been the one apologizing. That's just me. I don't have that folice attitude that says I rule the world.

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Peter Frank

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Mon Apr-10-06 03:00 AM
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22. Her Apology Was a Brilliant Stroke...

She apologized for her escalation of inappropriate touching. She keeps her seat, saves embarrassment for the Democratic party, & now Bush is firmly back in the hot seat. ...Brilliant.

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cali

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Mon Apr-10-06 04:58 AM
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27. LOL

I have no idea what Dennis Hastert or Newt Gingrich would have done in a similar situation. More to the point, neither do you. good straw man, though. Nor do you know that the officer knew who McKinney was as you weren't there and don't know those involved. Sweeping statements in which you claim to know something you clearly don't know, just make you look like a fool.

You're right about being told to apologize. John Lewis and other members of the CBC did speak with her. That's been reported. Is that the club you're talking about.

Yes, she should have apologized. It was good for her, good for the party and good for the country for this issue to be taken off the front burner. Sadly, Ms. McKinney helped put it there when she held that first absurd press conference and popped up on all the cable news shows.

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mondo joe

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Mon Apr-10-06 11:20 AM
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37. So does she play "their game" or not?

I don't understand how "she doesn't play their game" gets squared with apologizing because she was "told to".

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Neil Lisst

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:12 AM
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3. She made the smart move.

A news story like that one is looking for a reason to die by day five. She put the story down before the weekend news cycle, probably assuring the media largely bury it after Monday.

Unless they indict her, of course.

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shenmue

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:13 AM
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4. Me

I don't think it was warranted.

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Vexatious Ape

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:17 AM
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5. if she feels

she was wrong then she should just apologize the that one cop--women to man, no press release or any of that horse-shit. If she feels she was not in the wrong than fuck'em. Maybe she was having a bad day and maybe the guard was too, but this damn story should have been buried when the word got out on Thursday about * and the Plame leak.

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SeveneightyWhoa

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:21 AM
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6. Hell yeah!!

How dare she apologize for striking a cop!

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IndyJones

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:43 AM
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7. Last I checked, striking a police officer was against the law.

Yes, she should have apologized. What kind of example is she showing that if she disagrees with an officer, that it is okay to strike him? Being a woman or a black woman does not give her the right to disrespect our officers in uniform.

If she felt the officer's behavior was inappropriate, then she should have called his boss when she got back to her office to discuss it and either press charges or discuss alternatives with his boss. She could have shown more dignity than she did.

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SeveneightyWhoa

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:56 AM
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10. But but, it was RACISM!!

She got in trouble for striking a cop merely because she's BLACK!!

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jukes

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:06 PM
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46. contrare!

it is perfectly acceptable to use force to avoid being detained by an LE officer IF itis clealy a violation to be so detained, folk wisdom be damned!

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Orsino

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:33 PM
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55. Yeah. It's called the Fourth Amendment.

" The right of the people to be secure in their persons...against unreasonable...seizures, shall not be violated...."

Now, whether she was actually detained or manhandled, and whether she used force against the cop? Those things are still up in the air, and all parties involved seem to want to forget the matter.

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:50 AM
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SeveneightyWhoa

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:56 AM
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11. Uppity broad?

Wow, okay there, Tom..

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Demit

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:59 AM
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14. Uppity broad? Are you being ironic?

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SeveneightyWhoa

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Mon Apr-10-06 11:16 AM
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34. He's just channeling..

..Tom DeLay.

Either that or Strom Thurmond.

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Demit

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:11 PM
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40. LOL! I see he is no more. Thanks, mods.

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benburch

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:54 AM
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9. I hope she had legal advice.

Because I would hate to see her have compromised her position thereby.

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jsamuel

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:57 AM
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12. not me

it was best for everyone and she was comming off as someone who was using politics to get off, it wasn't looking good

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proud2BlibKansan

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Mon Apr-10-06 01:59 AM
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13. I think the cop should apologize too

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rucky

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:06 AM
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15. maybe to the cop...

but she didn't do anything wrong to the public.

and the cop most definitely owes her an apology, as well.

If they can work it out, there's no reason demand anything from either party.

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still_one

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:18 AM
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19. why, do you know what happened?

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rucky

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:46 AM
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21. see every related flame war for my respone and yours. n/t

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still_one

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Mon Apr-10-06 10:04 AM
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32. I agree this entire thread is a flame

but my question was actually sincere. Is there some video, witness, or something else that is available that I am not aware of?

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rucky

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Mon Apr-10-06 03:56 PM
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47. no surveillance.

Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 03:57 PM by rucky

there was, but apparently the incident happened off camera. my conclusion came from the fact that McKinney is one of 14 black women in congress - how tough would it be to ID her?

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still_one

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:16 PM
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52. thanks

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still_one

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:17 AM
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17. I am not a fan of mckinney, but you know what I think

Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 02:17 AM by still_one

I think this is a wonderful distraction as we watch the republic go down the tubes

illegal wire taps against Americans is being accepted, and the democrats do not see any need to censure bush for it

the leaking of a CIA agent was done by the president and vice president, and hardly a word is spoken

there is talk of a pre-emptive attack against Iran where we are considering using tactical nukes, and most people could care less

As far a mckinney striking a police officer, she should not have done it. Did he ask her to do something unreasonable? A grand jury is investigating this now.

I know McKinney is a hero to some, but after 9/11 when a sheik from Saudi Arabia was giving a 10 million dollar donation to NYC, and telling the mayor, that 9/11 happened because of U.S. foreign policy, the mayor of NY did the right thing, told the sheik to stick the check up his ass. McKinney on the other hand was too willing to accept it, and sent an appology to Saudi Arabia, even though quite a few of the royal family were donating to al queada so-called charities.

Your damn right she should appologize, the guy was doing his job, unless there is other evidence to the contrary, and that is why a grand jury is investigating it.

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Golden Raisin

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:18 AM
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18. If she had worn her Congressional identity badge

(as she was supposed to have to easily pass through Security checks) identifying her as a Congressperson this whole incident would not have happened.

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Azathoth

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Mon Apr-10-06 02:42 AM
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20. She needed to apologize for her behavior afterward

The incident itself was pretty forgettable and could have been settled quietly without a public apology. McKinney's decision, however, to run out immediately with accusations of racism and loudly flog the thing for days because she thought she could score political points was inexcusable, and it hurt the Dems.

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cyclezealot

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Mon Apr-10-06 03:00 AM
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23. We know they are out to get C. McKinney.

She is way too free a thinker. A threat to the club. Her voice is vital. Someone who does not play the game will suffer the consequences. Knowing she is on Delay and companies short list- I trust her ability to know what is the right course to survive in such a situation . We need back her up with our encouragement in order to help her survive.
We know the Georgia legislature along with Israeli security interests tried to do her in once and almost suceeded. Let's all give her the encouragement she needs to cope with these forces.

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teryang

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Mon Apr-10-06 04:15 AM
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24. I don't think she should have apologized.

Do judges have to wear their badges at the Courthouse? It is the officers duty to know who the judges are. Congressmen do not need to defer to guards on the the Capitol premises. Any other conclusion stands the sovereignty of the Congressman as the representative of the people on its head.

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flordehinojos

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Mon Apr-10-06 04:55 AM
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25. she should not have apologized at all !

Cynthia gal, i wish you had not apologized!

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Mr_Spock

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Mon Apr-10-06 04:58 AM
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26. She should have...

and this story is stupid.

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Peace Patriot

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:26 AM
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28. No one--not the president, not the police, not the courts, not the

military-- is permitted to impede a Member of Congress from entering Congress. It is a SPECIAL PROTECTION given by the US Constitution only to Members of Congress, who therefore have a special DUTY to preserve themselves from assault. Anyone lays a hand on a Member of Congress, as they enter Congress, they are in violation of the US Constitution. Period.

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itzamirakul

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:37 AM
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29. No! She should NOT have apologized...

I don't see Bush apologizing for all the shit he has caused not Cheney apologizing for shooting a "rich friend" while he was drunk.

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cali

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:56 AM
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31. Depressing to see DUers

with such a slim grasp of logic. Do you really want to be comparing a dem you admire to bush and cheney? Are you suggesting that bad behavior on the part of some excuses bad behavior by others?

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itzamirakul

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Mon Apr-10-06 08:50 PM
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58. Oh, pu-leeze! It is obvious from most posts that you and I think quite

differently about many things. So please don't allow yourself to be depressed by the way I think or even express myself. It does you no good mentally or physically to become depressed over things you have no power over. Stay happy and positive with your own thoughts and realize that everyone does not think as you do, even if they share a political party as voters.

Your comments make me believe that you are just seeking someone to argue with.

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bunkerbuster1

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Mon Apr-10-06 06:42 AM
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30. It doesn't really matter what she does.

She's going to be the RW's distraction regardless of what she says now, or what she did then.

I'm in the "let them make their case against her if they have one to make" camp. I really don't care any more about this story than I do about, oh, whether the Gov. of Alabama is going to lift his embargo against Aruba on account of da missin' white woman.

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KoKo

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Mon Apr-10-06 10:12 AM
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33. Durbin, Reid and others have been "forced" to apologize. She shouldn't

have apologized when she did. But, Black Caucus was pressured by Pelosi to get the Media off story by forcing McKinney to back off.

I understand some felt it was a Media frenzy taking away from Bush Leak...but I still feel McKinney was set up. (I know I'm the only one here that believes that, though.)

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cali

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Mon Apr-10-06 11:22 AM
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38. Please provide evidence that

the CBC was pressured by Pelosi. I interpret things differently. John Lewis' words to her seem very much his own. You're certainly not the only one who believes she was set up, but even if she was, her reaction to the events was disappointing.

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KoKo

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:04 PM
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39. It was posted here on DU with a link....don't know where it is.....

Edited on Mon Apr-10-06 12:05 PM by KoKo01

so you'll just have to trust my word for it. Article said Pelosi doesn't even talk to McKinney she's not gotten along with her for years, refused to restore her seniority when she regained her congressional seat even though Repugs restored the seniority for their "returning" members and she was very displeased with McKinney's behavior on this. She had put the word out that it was not helpful to the party to the Black Caucus. Pelosi is well within her authority to do that, btw. But, if McKinney was set up then it puts another slant on it. Given the SwiftBoating of Dems who speak out by the Repugs...and now the Conyers babysitting thing supposedly on MSNBC tonight with Zahn...it's looking to me like a concerted effort. Watch...next week it will be another Dem...probably from the Black Caucus.

Maybe someone else will remember the link. :shrug:

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Demit

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:21 PM
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43. No, I suspect it too. They all jumped on it SO fast. It was tailor-made.

Trouble is, she's not thick-skinned enough, and she's on record as speaking up before... Don't let others know how to get your goat, my mother always said. Must be a helluva thing, to face that kind of treatment all the time. Then to be told you're too sensitive, it wasn't what you thought it was, racism doesn't exist anymore. I do sympathize with her--just as a woman, I know the kind of baiting that men do--and at the same time I wish she could toughen up. So they couldn't use it against her. Helluva thing.

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chicofaraby

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Mon Apr-10-06 11:19 AM
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36. I think an apology is fine.

She obvioiusly hurt the police officer by swatting his hand away. An apology for hurting the poor little man seems fine. Of course, he owes her an apology first for grabbing her.

But, apologies are nice when someone gets hurt SO badly.

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rinsd

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:12 PM
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41. It was a political move

Defuse the controversey, keep the focus on GOP misdeeds.

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Orangepeel

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:16 PM
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42. Who thinks this is a dead horse? n/t

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Mon Apr-10-06 12:23 PM
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56. "Ditto!"

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48. Me. Ask her critics if Bobby Knight should've apologized in Puerto Rico.

Bobby the Reichturd PUNCHED a police man who had asked Knight to get his team off the court so the next team -- a girl's team -- could practice.

The then-Indiana men's basketball coach mooned the island from his jet.

A real classy guy.

My 2-cents: McKinney was set up by DeLay and his turdy minions, the plantation polizei.

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49. I was happy she apologized.

I think it was great that she was standing up for what she believed in and if she thought it was racial or gender bias then I applaud her for standing up.

However, I didn't think it was right to hit a cop. I don't think she set a good example by hitting someone.

So I am glad she apologized and moved on.

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50. I'm Glad She Apologized, But Wish It Would've Been More Immediate.

If it had been done immediately, rather than the press conferences and tv appearances, this may not have grown to nearly the overblown proportions it had. Though the msm and rw'ers definitely jumped on it and dramatized it, the press conferences and tv appearances gave this story ten times the legs and drama value it would've had otherwise.

I respect her for admitting her error and lord knows better late than never, but I really wish it had been done far sooner. Regardless, let's hope this story finally gets buried and we can focus on the multitude of far more relevant issues than this one.

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51. Me nt

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53. Should have done it immediately

Oops sorry, I didn't realize it was a policeman who grabbed my arm. I just reacted instictively. By saying this it would have just gone away if it ever did even make the news.

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54. Since I'm still not sure exactly what happened, I dunno. n/t

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57. Stand up people apologize

Cowards like Bush don't

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