ABC "somewhat unusual" for Cheney's symptoms to result from anti-inflammat

[sabra]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=1486403

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McBride said doctors determined the vice president was retaining fluid from a new anti-inflammatory medication he was taking to treat an old foot injury. The doctors prescribed new medication and Cheney left the hospital at 7:30 a.m., more than four hours after he arrived.

ABC News' Medical Editor Dr. Tim Johnson said it was "somewhat unusual" for Cheney's symptoms to result from anti-inflammatory medicine alone, although "it can happen."

[tavalon]

1. Yeah, a more likely reason would be

CONGESTIVE HEART FAILURE! Damn, we live in a fascist state where they won't even admit that our VP is sickly.

[kcwayne]

6. Well, everyone will really, really panic if the vice president's

demise is imminent. Who will run the country?

[MadisonProgressive]

18. Hopefully it would be GW

He goes to bed a 9pm, takes breaks all day long to ride his bike,etc., and is on vacation about half the time. If left to his own devices he probably wouldn't do very much - which would be a good change.

[MidwestTransplant]

26. Yeah, he would only do half the damage already being done!

[notadmblnd]

22. nah. it could take him a long time to die from conngestive heart failure

Knowing these people.. they got the NSA spying on americans searching for a compatable donor match. If you're the VP they'll do everything they can to keep your evil life going. If you happen to be a hard working middle class person, you'll be lucky if you make it on a list.

[Jane Austin]

39. It's already BEEN a long time.

He's been having heart trouble for more than a decade.

Wonder if the foot problem is a diabetic wound that won't heal.

[notadmblnd]

55. my grandmother was a diabetic and had foot problems

and she never once had to get up at 3:30 AM to have it looked at by medical personell.

[FearofFutility]

77. I'm a nurse and work night turn

we admit a lot of diabetic people in the middle of the night with infected ulcers. Why they wait until the middle of the night, I don't know, but it does happen. In Cheney's case, however, I highly doubt it would happen that way.

[Jane Austin]

88. I know. Something doesn't add up here. n/t

[kcwayne]

41. Well, hopefully I don't have the same blood type as Cheney

I elected to be a full body donor on my driver's license, but I neglected to stipulate that I did not want my organs to be donated if the cause of my death is a small airplane crash or a suicide with a pistol shot to the back of my head.

[Dinger]

12. Yup, My First Thought (nt)

[sui generis]

38. EXACTLY - get his crashcart some new jumper cables

CHF, starting with some pulmonary edema - NOT caused by diuretics, incidentally.

What Jon Steward said, "old and . . . "

[Yoda Yada]

68. Cardio-vascular disease?

Isn't there something called P.A.D.? It has to do with the peripheral arteries in your legs...also has something to do with the heart.

That's not good...and although I think they can help with the pain...it doesn't get better. I think he has trouble standing for any length of time. Might NEED the cane permanently???

[FearofFutility]

78. Definite possibility n/t

[medeak]

2. sounds like congestive heart failure

treated with diurectic

[rodeodance]

5. yes,

[Glimmer of Hope]

11. What exactly is congestive heart failure?

If that is the case, what does it mean for Dick?

[MadisonProgressive]

23. A generic term meaning you are longterm SOL

congestive heart failure (n.) A condition marked by weakness, edema, and shortness of breath that is caused by the inability of the heart to maintain adequate blood circulation in the peripheral tissues and the lungs.

[rodeodance]

the heart muscles are weak--not able to pump blood. fluid builds up-feet

lower extremities especially and the lungs--hense the sob.

[tishaLA]

57. glad to hear I'm SOL

I'll remember to let my doctor know. I developed CHF almost four years ago (when I was 27 and developed viral onset CHF) and live without symptoms despite the fact that, when I was admitted to the CCU, the CHF specialists started evaluating me for a heart transplant. CHF can be controlled with diet, exercise, and drugs.

But I'll make sure to let my doctor know about your diagnosis. Perhaps people with diabetes and HIV infection can crawl under rocks, too.

[MadisonProgressive]

60. Sorry

I didn't mean to be insensitive to anyone on this board with CHF. I was just trying to be insensitive to GOFUCKYOURSELF. I apologize and wish you well.

[medeak]

73. Oh dear dear!

am so sorry... believe age has a great deal to do with prognosis as well.

Best of luck to you and am certain you are receiving expert care edited to say... excercise is very important..and my Mom was sedentary her entire life. :-(

fondly... m

[nashville_brook]

74. it's a different beast when associated with viral onset

than with heart disease -- but damn, sorry you're going thru this so young!

[Beausoir]

86. I agree with you Tisha.

So many people are pulling a Dr. Frist on this subject.

CHF takes many shapes and forms. My mother had stage III and lived for many years. Traveled, swimming, a very full life.

You sound like you are in terrific shape! Best thoughts for keeping your CHF as dormant as possible! I hate that damn disease!

[nashville_brook]

72. can also be associated with other cardiac events

like, it's something that happens when you're already SOL.

[jbnow]

81. The rate of CHF has risen

pretty dramatically especially since the introduction of statin drugs. This pretty clearly has to do with CoQ10 depletion that comes with statins. Those who use statins supplemented with CoQ10 don't have the increased likelihood.

Without the supplement a majority develop abnormality of the heart's diastolic phase which is a major cause of congestive heart failure.

Between that issue and myopathies EVERYBODY close to me who takes statin drugs takes CoQ10 because I am that good at nagging. OK, I provide them the information/studies too.

I don't know why it isn't standard advice but unless it becomes so CHF will become a much larger issue.

[medeak]

29. 6-8 years life expentancy after diagnosis

my Mom has it.

[sabra]

36. peace for you and your family...

[nashville_brook]

71. watched my father die from it -- sounds exactly same

[MADem]

3. Someone here suggested GOUT--old Fatboy needs to lay off the

fatty steaks and bernaise sauces!!!

[Kingshakabobo]

20. Yep. Sounds like gout. Treated with a strong anti-inflammatory.

I've had it and I used to say I wouldn't wish it on anyone.....

I might make an exception..:evilgrin:

[liberal N proud]

4. What is that? are they questioning the spin?

Can't be can it?

[Horse with no Name]

7. Nobody goes to the hospital at 3:30 in the am

for a swollen foot exclusively.
The old bastard went into Congestive Heart Failure and needed to get the fluid off.

[FearofFutility]

79. See my post #77

I definitely does happen.

[Horse with no Name]

80. I'm a nurse too

With 20 years of trauma/ acute care hospital experience and given a set of circumstances as this particular patient having the best medical care money can buy and a team of personal physicians at his disposal...Dick Cheney would ONLY go to the hospital in the middle of the night if he were in distress.
Has very little to do with a swollen foot.
As far as admissions for swollen feet and diabetic ulcers in the middle of the night--generally you see those in the middle of the night only when the neuropathy or pain have become so severe that the patient cannot stand it any longer.

[FearofFutility]

91. I agree that it wouldn't happen that way

with Cheney as I said in my previous post.

[displacedtexan]

8. It can happen...

... like that mouse burned down that guy's house after the guy threw the mouse into a pile of burning leaves. (Link and story are on my blog: http://ascrivenerslament.blogspot.com/)

Yeah, it could happen...

But what are the odds?

[susu369]

9. Aside from the "foot in mouth" jokes

just exactly what is wrong with Vice's foot? "Old foot injury" mentioned here is the first clue I've read.

??????????????????

[YDogg]

13. Diabetes related?

I don't know, that's just the first thing I thought of this morning when I heard the news.

[babylonsister]

14. Didn't he recently get some arteries in his leg(s) unclogged?nt

[CottonBear]

16. Yes. He has really bad vascular problems other than heart problems. n/t

[Kingshakabobo]

34. Sounds like gout. Treated with a strong ant-inflammatory.

[susu369]

46. Not sure about that

people close to me suffer from gout but they don't use a cane to get around. Besides, there is medication for gout that clears it up quickly.

:shrug:

[Kingshakabobo]

59. I have gout. So did my dad.

My dad used to use a cain and one of those wooden shoes.

I take "Indocin" for flare-ups. It only dulls the pain. It's most effective when taken at the first sign of attack. Other than that, it can take a day or two to work. Verrrrrry painful.

[tishaLA]

61. Have you tried colchacine?

That's what I use when I have flare-ups (.6 mg tablets) and it works well, especially when you take it at the first sign of pain. It does cause diarrhea, though. But I have CHF so I can't take NSAIDs, etc.

[Kingshakabobo]

63. I thought colchacine was a prophylactic to gout?

No. I haven't tried it. Knock on wood, I haven't had a flare-up in a few years. I'm trying to be a good boy cutting back on beer and red meat. When I did have attacks, the indocin worked fairly well.

[punpirate]

48. Amid the many speculations about circulation, gout, etc.

... I like Conan O'Brien's explanation best--his sore foot "was from kicking little old ladies."

That's in character for him. :P

[Maine-ah]

65. you'd think it would be sore from pulling it out of Bush's

ass every other day....

[punpirate]

66. Especially since Bush...

... is such an anal retentive type.... :) And with all the bad news swirling around the WH right now, I'll bet his sphincter is all puckered up. :P

[Maine-ah]

82. these are the comments that get me through day after day

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:



thankyou...

[punpirate]

85. Gotta laugh once in a while...

... just to make up for all the times we have to take the crazy bastard seriously. :)

Cheers.

[Theres-a]

10. Strange things are afoot

:hide:

[txindy]

17. Evil's afoot, too, I'm afraid.

Now, move over.

:rofl:

[CottonBear]

15. The old bastard is constantly at the edge of death.

He has had three heart attacks, vascular surgery on his legs and a pacemaker. It's a miracle that he has lived this long.

[Wickerman]

24. Proof indeed, that there is a

Satan.

[Sanity Claws]

25. First heart attack at 37

That should have been a clue to him that he was not living right. However, he didn't pick up the clue (sounds like an across-the-board personality disorder) and continued to eat like a pig and have further heart attacks.
He looks over 80 even though he's only 64.

[cliss]

35. Amazingly, I've read that the Old Buzzard

has had 4 heart attacks. He had his first one at age 37. It's considered young to have one at that age.

Cheney has also had quadruple bypass heart surgery. The doctors found out that Lynne has been feeding him very fattening foods, like greasy hamburgers with cheese, etc. So they doctors tried to change his eating habits. I wonder if they've had any success (?)

I've seen photos of The Evil One eating pork ribs and all kinds of crap. Plus, he really looks fat now.

As if that wasn't bad enough, Cheney has a hole in his aorta that the doctors were not able to fix. He also has a pace maker. The man's a walking disaster.

[sui generis]

44. yeah, he's about to go all Sharon on us.

Poor evil bastard. I hope he lingers.

[soothsayer]

45. Didn't he get Chandra Levey's heart?

[catmandu57]

19. When they start playing somber heavy music on faux

and the other ratwing outlets that's the time to be worried. All of this bastards problems seem to stem from "old injuries".

[bunkerbuster1]

42. I think the talking heads will be wearing white

or is that the People's Republic of China where they do that?

[rodeodance]

49. cnn played 9/11 music all last week for Sago miners.

[thinkingwoman]

58. thank you!!

I thought that they'd resurrected their 9/11 theme music for the miners but then I doubted myself.

[Frank Cannon]

93. "Old injuries" my ass.

Like were supposed to be convinced that Cheney was once Joe Athlete. Like it's not obvious that the only exercise that obese, sickly POS had for decades is repeated walks to the fried chicken bin at Golden Corral.

[Sydnie]

21. that anti-inflammatory must be one of the new fangled

"intelligent design" medications. :rofl:

[shaniqua6392]

32. I am sure we could find a cure for his ailments

with stem cell research. Oh. That's right. I forgot. They don't care about stem cell research. They don't care about helping people.

[MadisonProgressive]

27. Could it be gofuckyourself-itis?

[rodeodance]

28. lots of simple drugs such as Ibuprofen are considered anti-inflamatory.

[rodeodance]

30. cnn said it was a tendonitis (in his heel).

[rodeodance]

31. Dr. Tim Johnson --most likely got a call from the WH after this comment!

[Contrary1]

33. Look at the picture they used:

Maybe the tide is turning...

[rodeodance]

40. he needs some teeth whitener.!

[sui generis]

47. that's as white as they get

what do expect when you crack open the bones of live sacrificial virginians and suck out the marrow for breakfast every morning.

[rodeodance]

51. yuk!

[Atman]

52. Oswald Cobblepot!

He needs some fish guts dangling from his teeth.

[Batgirl]

76. agreed

[rkc3]

53. That might be the nicest pic they could find.

[rodeodance]

37. odd that one thing the news focuses on is his regular heart beat--of cours

e it is regular--his pacemaker kicks in if becomes irregular (as his EKG will be regualar as long as the pacemaker is working).

[rodeodance]

43. as the news media does not critically reflect on its parroting--guess not

no odd after all.

[Atman]

50. It's CHF for Christ's sake!

No question about it. Congestive Heart Failure. Is anyone expecting the White House to suddenly tell us the truth about this one? We're like the old communist China now...they'll prop up Cheney's lifeless body in front of the masses just to ensure continuity. The foot story is bullshit...another sympton of CHF. Cheney's heart, already the size of a pea, is failing. The stress of being responsible for the destruction of the United States, his big fat lard ass, his terrible type-A disposition -- the man is on his way out. Don't believe for a moment that it's anything but CHF.

[rodeodance]

54. gotcha--i am a believer ok ok.

[Stephanie]

75. Which is why he bought his new retirement estate in MD

He wants to be nearby so he can rule the empire from exile, but they he's so close to indictment and/or complete incapacitation that he is going to have to give it up soon.

[davsand]

56. Stem cell treatment is being investigated to help treat CHF.

I have absolutely zero doubt that his trip to the hospital was a bout with Congestive Heart Failure. The media calls it water retention, but that is exactly what CHF is. (Your heart doesn't function well enough to maintain circulation and your body fills up with fluid.)

My dad has been dealing with it for a while now. IF you start to retain water they usually give you a big dose of diuretic and you start to pee it out. In the later stages of CHF, you can get to a point where oral doses no longer work and you have to have IV infusion of diuretics.

Oddly enough, "Unca Dick" could possibly benefit from treatment with stem cells. They have been looking at it as a treatment option for a while now, and it is showing some very real promise.

Once I started reading about stem cell treatment for heart failure, I made the observation that maybe NOW the old white guys in the GOP might start to see the need for further research. Funny how it becomes personal and more needed when it might save your life...

I do not wish CHF on anyone--even Cheney--but I have to admit, I do hope it makes them all take a longer look at WHY stem cell research is so important.



Laura

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

62. News media will not call it "heart failure" until he surprisingly turns

up dead one morning. Then it'll be a big shock to everyone!

[rodeodance]

67. yes, i think you are right.

[LizW]

69. True

Remember that one of the first big, in-your-face lies that Bush told on television was that Cheney didn't have a heart attack right after the 2000 election. Then, when he finally had to admit that it WAS a heart attack, it was "very slight" and Cheney's prognosis was "terrific".

They are never going to tell the truth about Cheney's health until, as you say, he keels over.

It's congestive heart failure, but they are never going to use those words because it sounds bad.

[Metta]

64. His hooves are giving him trouble.

He gets what he deserves though it seems he's gotten less than he deserves. His time will come; he's heir to his deeds.

[Catherine Vincent]

70. You would think with Cheney's health problems, he would become

a better man.

[Tsiyu]

83. He no doubt treats his bod like he treats the country:

without any regard for the consquences of his actions. If he's like most wealthy Repukes, he is a "manly man," a legend in his own twisted mind who is immortal.

He probably drinks to excess, eats lots of red meat and fatty foods, and tells his doctor that he is "above the laws of medicine" just as he is above the laws of the nation.

Arrogance will kill the rat bastard, just like it's killing the country..

[Avalux]

84. What "new" anti-inflammatory drug??

As far as I know, there's nothing on the market now that has "shortness of breath" and "fluid retention" as possible side effects. How stupid do they think we are? It's his heart and it's failing. When it doesn't work efficiently the body retains fluid.

[SPKrazy]

89. As far as I know there aren't any new anti inflammatory drugs

since the cox 2 inhibitors were nailed by FDA and lawyers, I know of none.

But I haven't been tuned in to the pain med pipeline in several months since changing jobs.

[Mr_Spock]

87. He's a walking corpse

I wont miss his evil ass when he croaks either...

[Plaid Adder]

90. You're ALL wrong!

Here's what happened: With all the shit going down over the Abramoff scandal, Cheney hasn't had enough time lately to roam the darkened streets at midnight feeding on the blood of the living. That's all. He'll be right as rain once he's wolfed down a couple pints of O-negative and has a nice long nap in his coffin.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder

[EFerrari]

92. Now I understand the fixation with abstinence.

He needs the blood of virgins.