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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:26 PM
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(PNAC) "Cabal" Blocked 2003 Nuclear Talks with Iran
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 01:28 PM by Roland99
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=32672

WASHINGTON, Mar 28 (IPS) - The George W. Bush administration failed to enter into negotiations with Iran on its nuclear programme in May 2003 because neoconservative zealots who advocated destabilisation and regime change were able to block any serious diplomatic engagement with Tehran, according to former administration officials.

The same neoconservative veto power also prevented the administration from adopting any official policy statement on Iran, those same officials say.

Lawrence Wilkerson, then chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, says the failure to adopt a formal Iran policy in 2002-2003 was the result of obstruction by a "secret cabal" of neoconservatives in the administration, led by Vice Pres. Dick Cheney.

"The secret cabal got what it wanted: no negotiations with Tehran," Wilkerson wrote in an e-mail to IPS.



Well, they got what they wanted. Perhaps this is something that Wilson was alluding to in his recent interview with Larisa of RawStory? The Vulcans/neocons/PNACers got their destabilized Middle East so the US and the massive military-industrial complex could come in and save the day and secure the oil in the Middle East for all of humanity.

See, they're really thinking of others and not their cronies leading the defense contractors.


And thanks to DUer Darkhawk32 that pointed me to the article.


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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:29 PM
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1. Is the GOP going to kick these leeches out?
Or join them? If they don't clean house NOW, they are all doomed. :nuke:
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:30 PM
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2. Well, Rice has some fingers pointed at her and her complicity.
Cheney is the mastermind of this foreign policy.

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:36 PM
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3. Same insane cabal operated in same fashion during Ike/JFK years
Edited on Wed Apr-12-06 01:37 PM by EVDebs
THE SABOTAGING OF THE AMERICAN PRESIDENCY
by L. Fletcher Prouty
reprinted with permission of the author
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/SAP.html#begin

Also, Allen Dulles' manuevering to get Henry Wallace labelled a 'spy' and out as v.p. while covering his own tracks in dealing with the Axis on rat lines and money removals via Switzerland, if any care to research this, would show similar corroboration of the cabal's existence.

Dulles' CIA and the Knights of Malta connections are always aristocratic. The poor never stand a chance.

The key phrase in original post "secret cabal". Right on the money.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:44 PM
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4. this is being discussed on Talk of the Nation right now
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:45 PM
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5. dammit, nevermind
they just wrapped.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:48 PM
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7. I guess this link will have the audio after 6pm Eastern
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:51 PM
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9. good deal
it was a pretty good update PNAC'rs and Iran policy. The american enterprise institute guy was backed neatly into a corner.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:00 PM
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11. Aren't they always?
Ever seen/heard a debate with Perle, Hitchens or someone like that? Their insanity is glaring.

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 03:35 PM
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12. wondering out loud today...
is it going to be nearly as good when they finally take these bastards to the cooler as we've been hoping? i mean, i just have this fear that the Feiths and Perles will quietly be frog-marched to whereever, and we'll all just be like, "is that all there is?"

i, for one, PROMISE big celebratory frolicing. i'll remember the date and honor it every year like D-day!

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:19 PM
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13. Hell, I'd settle for indictments at this point!
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:30 PM
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15. subpoenas!
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:23 PM
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14. Audio is already live
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 06:56 AM
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17. Finally got a chance to listen to it. Pretty good story.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:47 PM
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6. October 1983?
At the end of the piece it reads:

"Nevertheless, Pres. Bush apparently initially saw nothing wrong with trading information on MEK, despite arguments that MEK should not be repatriated to Iran. "I have it on good authority," Leverett told IPS, "that Bush's initial reaction was, 'But we say there is no such thing as a good terrorist'." Nevertheless, Bush finally rejected the Iranian proposal.

By the end of May, the neoconservatives had succeeded in closing down the Geneva channel for good. They had hoped to push through their own NSPD on Iran, but according to the Franklin indictment, in October 1983, Franklin told an Israeli embassy officer that work on the NSPD had been stopped. "

I don't understand this. :shrug: Help? Anyone?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:51 PM
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8. Probably a typo (or confused it with an investigation of Feith in 1983)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:54 PM
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10. That was the one thing that stuck out
and threw me for a loop. Couldn't figure out if they meant to say Oct 2003, or that it was a different agent back in '83.

Thanks.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 07:24 PM
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16. Does anyone need any more proof of the real reason behind all
the threats arainst Iran? This is insane, or fiendishly evil.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:05 AM
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18. To split hairs ...
... cabals are by definition secret and/or secretive. "Secret cabal" is redundant.

The dates are interesting - the neo-con high-water mark, before Iraq went sour.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 02:59 PM
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19. Hersh: "Bush doesn't talk to people he's mad at."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1359254

Check out the last few paragraphs.



:banghead:

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