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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:42 PM
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New Bill in Oklahoma Would Give Companies Great Power Over You Online
I know that this potential bill does not affect the entire Union, but I think it should send up red flags for concerned citizens. Essentially this bill would allow companies like Microsoft to snoop on your online activities, read your email, AND delete files from your computer. This is raising all kinds of alarms for me. It's equally as bad as Bush's domestic spying program, and I think in the long run has dire consequences for the people of, not only Oklahoma, but the United States. I mean, you all know that once something like this is implemented in one state it will spread like wildfire. Below are excerpts from the articles that I found particularly ominous:

Microsoft helped write Oklahoma computer law -- Knock, knock. Who's there? http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30877
The good people of Oklahoma asked Microsoft to help the State write a new law banning spyware, and the results are amazing...

Under the law, people could be fined a million dollars for using viruses or surreptitious computer techniques to break into someone’s computer without that person’s knowledge and acceptance. OK so far...

In other words if you install Vista, Microsoft can come in, snoop around your computer see if you are doing anything illegal and delete it...

THE WATCHERS http://www.okgazette.com/news/templates/cover.asp?articleid=423&zoneid=7
It’s supposed to protect you from predators spying on your computer habits, but a bill Microsoft Corp. helped write for Oklahoma will open your personal information to warrantless searches, according to a computer privacy expert and a state representative...

Called the “Computer Spyware Protection Act,” House Bill 2083 would create fines of up to a million dollars for anyone using viruses or surreptitious computer techniques to break on to someone’s computer without that person’s knowledge and acceptance, according to the bill’s state Senate author, Clark Jolley....

That means that Microsoft (or another company with such software) can erase spyware or viruses. But if you have, say, a pirated copy of Excel — Microsoft (or companies with similar software) can erase it, or anything else they want to erase, and not be held liable for it. Additionally, that phrase “fraudulent or other illegal activities” means they can:

Let the local district attorney know that you wrote a hot check last month.

Let the attorney general know that you play online poker.

Let the tax commission know you bought cartons of cigarettes and didn’t pay the state tax on them.

Read anything on your hard drive, such as your name, home address, personal identification code, passwords, Social Security number … etc., etc., etc.


Yes, you read that right... Warrentless wiretaps by corporations like Microsoft! It doesn't stop at just the hardware and software level either, because with the advent of Vonage and other online phone companies, people's conversations can be monitored as well. It figures that Oklahoma State Senator Clark Jolley is a Republican as well. What kind of idiot says, “The goal of this is not to allow any company to go through and scan your computer,” Jolley said. “If they are, it has to be for a specific purpose. If you don’t want them doing that, don’t agree to (the user’s agreement).”? Then how the hell are people supposed to use industry standard programs if they don't agree to be spied upon? I sure as hell hope that Democrats are not going to stand by and let this nonsense pass. Here's more information I just got from a friend:

The senate sponsor is Republican Clark Jolley from Edmond. The actual
bill was authored by The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC - alec.org)
which is a Reagan-era group that has a focus on "ideological legislation" such
as school prayer and anti-abortion legislation. Corporate sponsorship of the
law comes from Symantec, CA, Internet Security Systems, Hewlet-Packard, McAfee,
Cyber Security Industrial Alliance, Trend Micro as well as Microsoft.

One Republican is angry that he voted for it... to quote Republican Mike
Reynolds of Oklahoma City:

“It’s crazy,” Reynolds said of the law. “The vote was unanimous. We were in the middle of some other bill. Someone walked up to me and said, ‘I thought you’d vote against that.’ And I said, ‘Duh.’ I thought it was about spam. I didn’t bother to read it to that level.”

Shows you how closely they pay attention up there...

Also, Microsoft has been overly active in trying to push it through. They
have contributed monetarily to Oklahoma's Republican Senate Committee
and to Gov. Brad Henry. Microsoft's main lobbyist, Andrew Wise, has
been spending the majority of his time lately at the OK capital.

Another excerpt that is of interest:

Wise was contacted several times by the Gazette regarding the bill, but said he would pass questions on to Microsoft’s corporate communications office. However, at an Oklahoma Senate technology committee meeting, while he did not deny that the bill would give Microsoft sweeping powers over software users, he said the main reason for such corporate liberties in the bill was to give liability protection to the software giant.

“The reason that language is in there is so … the way the bill has been structured … when we give you an update, we don’t want that stuff we give you to be considered spyware,” Wise said. “The reason that’s in there is to make it clear that we are allowed.”

Wise concurred that the bill would benefit other companies besides Microsoft.

A sad state of affairs to say the least...


Spread the word far and wide, DUers. This sort of stuff is scary to say the least.



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windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:50 PM
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1. K & R n/t
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 01:51 PM
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2. This should also be posted in the Oklahoma forum. n/m
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:00 PM
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3. Done n/t
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:02 PM
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4. cross-link
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:05 PM
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5. The internet is a worldwide comminication device.
Does this mean I now have to worry about some Okie digging into my computer across State lines? What's the jurisdiction on this?
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:24 PM
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7. That is the same thing I was left wondering.
It seems that the software would have to be modified for Oklahoma if I read the article correctly. I don't imagine that Microsoft and company will make special editions for lil' Oklahoma. That's what alarmed me so much about this article. It seems that they will move to have this scheme implemented across the United States. Not to mention the fact that it would give Republicans and the software companies dangerous powers...
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:07 PM
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6. Holy shit! I knew I hated Bill Gates! Thanks for posting...
this important information. You KNOW Oklahoma is just the start.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:27 PM
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8. Precisely... See my post above...
There is no doubt in my mind that there are plans to implement this across the country. Oklahoma is just the testbed because the people trend Republican... I wonder if this is also going to be implemented in Idaho and Utah and Kansas and the South -- those are other big Regressive areas.
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:28 PM
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9. One more reason why I'm glad I bought a Mac
These fuckers are going waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far! This is some truly scary shit.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:29 PM
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10. Sounds like the bill is in violation of itself...
Under the law, people could be fined a million dollars for using viruses or surreptitious computer techniques to break into someone’s computer without that person’s knowledge and acceptance.

It’s supposed to protect you from predators spying on your computer habits, but a bill Microsoft Corp. helped write for Oklahoma will open your personal information to warrantless searches, according to a computer privacy expert and a state representative...
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 03:15 PM
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13. Kind of ironic isn't it...
These guys never cease to amaze.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:32 PM
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11. a bit off thread, but
what makes you think they aren't doing this already? ('they' being software designers)

for instance, i used to use zonealarm as a firewall, and after an update, found my computer being scanned constantly from the moment i logged on the internet, one port after another, until it ran through them all, and then started over again. I checked with my isp, no help there, and remembered my update, and joined the zonealarm forum to inquire about it. Got very little helpful advice but did some checking about and found that the updated version came with the permission granted in the EULA to scan and report back to ZA.
This went on for several weeks, maybe a month or more, before i got sick of it.
I tried 'downdating' to a previous version, and it continued, so i carefully eradicated the whole program. Problem stopped. Using another firewall now.

perhaps it was benign activity, who knows. But you never know what you've opened yourself up to with some of these programs...

my 2 cents
dp
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 03:17 PM
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14. No offense... But that's speculation.
This is the black and white of it all. This is them daring us to do something about it. That's a radical departure from being suspicious of what they might be doing.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 11:47 PM
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16. no offense taken
but it's not just speculation. My computer was contacting a site everytime i logged on to the internet, which would then scan my ports. I was only aware at first that i was being constantly scanned, and it started the moment i went online and continued until i was offline... but how could that site know i was online so fast?? My computer was initiating the contact.
Shouldn't my firewall inform me a program was attempting to contact a site??

not if itself was doing it...

no might about it.
dp
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arikara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 05:32 PM
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15. I don't trust any of the software anymore
After a mess on my computer caused by the Norton firewall I started using a router. Its caused a few glitches in that for some reason I can't access some sites with Firefox through the router but at least I have peace of mind. I'm going to a mac on my next computer.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 11:48 PM
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17. and i'm going linux n/t
dp
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:10 PM
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19. Yep, I noticed a change when I updated it a while back, but
I still had the original download from WAAAAY back when. So I booted the new and replaced with the old. I didn't know that there were the kind of problems you are mentioning, I noticed that the newer version had removed some perks and put them into the professional only version, ie pay more. What firewall are you using now and does it have program controls like ZA does where I can lock certain programs from ever accessing the internet?
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 02:19 PM
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20. Sygate
works about the same, without any snoops.

dp
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 02:37 PM
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12. Vista is the biggest piece of spyware ever
who's going to protect us from it? Looks like XP will be the last version of windows I use.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 12:05 PM
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18. Why let Microsoft in at all? Just curious cuz I don't even though
I do have XP installed. Once I got through the initial "Security Update" that was so large I had to recieve it on disc, I have Microsoft shut out. Turned off the automatic updates and I use Zone Alarm and have it set to block IE and WE, as a matter of fact only my ISP and Firefox and Eudora have access allowed. And with ZA I have reduced my spyware and adware (I have a free spyware program that scans when I choose but isn't live all the time) from 20+ in a 20 minute online session to none after being online for days, weeks, and months. Also I don't use Window's mediaplayer, but I am still on a phone line so I don't use any mediaplayer with online stuff anyway.
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