We really do need a list of (Dem) Abramoff recipients ...

[jarab]

Are we actually believing that there are NO Democratic congresscritters who accepted "payola" directly from Jack...off?

History tells us that even the most philanthropic of Repug givers hedges his bets by giving token and rationed amounts to Democrats.

So, who has a source for (Dem) direct recipients from Jack or the less important list of those Dems who received monies from Jack's clients?
I don't believe we can formulate a sensible argument unless these truths are generally known. The Repugs' names are trickling out.

Must one visit an unbiased source in order to know these important matters? And, where is it - that unbiased source/link - IN TRUTH if one actually knows?

I'd simply like to know as soon as possible the names of the Democratic officeholders - recent past or present - who are/were intimately involved with Jack Abramoff.
We cannot bury our heads thinking that the list has no entries. I am not easily convinced by the threads saying "No dems accepted money from Jack!" We need to fight an honest battle over this issue, and not be surprised when "some" Dem names are finally offered up to us.

The opposition will not take this laying down without offering up the names I seek, if there indeed be some known to date. I don't like surprises!

...O...

[NMDemDist2]

1. you have to decide how many degrees of separation you'll accept as

"Jack's clients"

as for Jack himself, not a dime, not a penny went to any Democratic candidate anywhere

Some of the tribes gave Dems $$$ but they had done that for years and the Native American community has been a stalwart supporter of Democrats for a long time.

don't buy the spin jarab, it's BS

[progdonkey]

26. exactly... and what's "indirect"?

Would it be "indirect money to Democrats" if Abramoff had told the tribes "give to the members of Congress in your districts and States" and some of them happened to be Dems? Or is it "give to THESE CONGRESSMEN ON THIS LIST"? Both could be considered "indirect," but the former would entail absolutely no culpability on the part of the recipient, while the latter would only be a problem for the recipient as far as the question of why Abramoff would specifically list this Dem or that one. If they're just on the right committees, though, and not in actively in cahoots with Abramoff, they would still remain innocent of the whole Abramoff racket.

No direct money.

If "indirect," you'd have to define the term first, but then you'd find that it's so "indirect" it's meaningless.

[savemefromdumbya]

2. I don't think there were

[EST]

3. DNC and fec websites tell it all.

Download Dean's response from yesterday.
Too many DU threads to list, debunking this spin.

[Lerkfish]

4. howard dean has said unequivocably there are none, and I believe it.

the entire purpose of the delay/abramoff/ney debacle was to channel illicit funds directly to republican candidates and bribes for selling influence.
There's no reason to include democrats, logically, if you think about it.

[Mz Pip]

5. Yesterday, Dean said

the FEC records were checked and there were no Dem recipients of Abramhoff's money.

"Indirect" recipients were given money by Abramhoff's clients (the folks he ripped off), so linking Dems to Abramhoff that way is a pretty weak link.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[RufusEarl]

6. Out on a limb here

Just going on what Delay said, he made the comment that only Republicans can be lobbyist if they wanted to work with his congress. And Jack was a Republican through and through, and the Dem's were out of power. So I'm thinking the only monies Dem's got was from the tribes Jack represented, and that ain't illegal.

[wryter2000]

25. Bingo!

You're on the right limb! And welcome to DU. :hi:

[RufusEarl]

29. Thanks, it's nice to be here.

[oasis]

59. Delay's "K Street Project". (eom)

[xray s]

7. Excuse me

The ONLY thing that matters is did Abramoff get any Democrat to commit an illegal act.

Whether or not any Democrat took any money directly from Abramoff (they didn't) or money from an Abramoff led lobbying firm is irrelevant.

What we do know for sure is Abramoff has plead guilty to breaking the law and other Republicans were involved.

This is a Republican scandal, to date.

[SteppingRazor]

8. Go right to the source -- fec.gov

You can search by individual contributions. Go to http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml. Type Abramoff's name in. Note the lack of Democrats.

Now, that takes care of individual contributions. PAC, lobby and corporate contributions with ties to Abramoff are, of course, another story.

[acmejack]

14. 1500 people at the firm Abramoff was with.

Kind of dilutes that argument.

[Tiggeroshii]

9. You can't accuse Burns of being a filthy Senator without also considering

Dorgan.

Yes, I know this might upset some folks here but Byron Dorgan not only accepted contributions from the same tribes associated with Abramoff but also accepted a skybox from Jack Abramoff and other small deals. If he knew who he was accepting it from then suspicion lies as to how much he really knew in the long run. These are similar ties that the Dems are using to associate Burns with Abramoff and it is ignorant of us not to consider Burns a crook without also considering the implication this may also have on Dorgan... The evidence so far is bad for both of them.

[RufusEarl]

28. If Dorgan is dirty, let him hang!

[jarab]

35. Thanks, Tiggeroshii!

These are the kinds of associations we must be prepared to defend or excuse.

...O...

[LynnTheDem]

51. None of which is illegal. Tribes are allowed to donate to whomever

they bloody well want to.

That Indians donated to some Dems (and had for many years, long before Abramoff came along) and to some Republicans and to Abramoff is LEGAL. (Contrary to rightwingnut belief, Native American Indians are HUMAN and legally entitled to donate to whom they want.)

What Abramoff did to GET those donations (FRAUD) and what Abramoff did WITH those donations (INFLUENCE-PEDDLING) was ILLEGAL.

Nothing to do with whom Indians donated to.


And NO in fact Dorgan did NOT "accept a skybox from Abramoff" and if he had, it would NOT have been illegal. The CHOCTAW INDIANS rented that skybox from Abramoff & had for years; the CHOCTAW INDIANS held the Dorgan fundraiser in that skybox; LEGAL.

IF Abramoff had given money to Dems (he didn't) it would have been LEGAL as long as he didn't get favors in official capacity in return. As an American citizen, even Abramoff is legally allowed to donate his funds to ANYONE he wants, even to Dems.

[Tiggeroshii]

54. hmm interesting

So he didn't actually accept that himself, it was accepted through the tribe? Can you explain also to a similar degree the relationship Burns had with the tribes and abramoff? From what I read, his situation is just as gray as Dorgans. Besides being a Republican, what can we really use against Burns that would unequivically make him far more guilty than any Dem?

I read that Burns ccepted a skybox and a chopper or something from aabramoff as well as accepting money from tribes associated with abramoff. Do you know if it was far more direct than that which Dorgan engaged in? It troubles me that, I believe it was a WP article, failed to be precise about Dorgan's acceptance of that skybox -they leave out some of that important detail right there.

[LynnTheDem]

57. Indians are allowed to donate to anyone they want. So are YOU and I.

IF the person receiving those donations agrees to do summat in return for the money, THAT is illegal. Period.

Any Dem can accept any donation directly from Abramoff all they want; LEGAL. Any Republican can accept any donation from Abramoff all they want; LEGAL.

Did any Dem and/or Republican accept money from Abramoff IN EXCHANGE for doing favors in their official capacity? THAT is ILLEGAL. THAT is what Abramoff is indicted for (and for getting donations from the Indians via fraud).

NO DEMS got a cent from Abramoff; NOT ALL REPUBLICANS who did get donations from Abramoff are guilty of anything...IF they did nothing in exchange for those donations.

Because Abramoff was very big on donations as bribes, anyone who did get donations from him is being looked at closely, but just because some Repubs did get donations from him does not mean every one of those Repubs broke any laws or are guilty of anything.

If Burns DID NOT DO FAVORS IN HIS OFFICIAL CAPACITY IN EXCHANGE for donations/chopper/skybox/ etc then NO he did nothing illegal.

Abramoff is indicted because of HOW he got donations (fraud) and WHAT HE DID with those donations (used them as bribes, aka influence-peddling).

hth :)

[davidwparker]

10. That would be an empty list. There are NONE. Repugs would like for there

to be, but there are NONE. Not even DINO Joe.

[President Jesus]

11. Jack Abramoff's campaign contributions (as reported by the FEC)

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Jack_Abramoff.php

and don't forget Michael Scanlon, Abramoff's righthand man and Delay's former chief of staff:
http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Michael_Scanlon.php
(100% GOP)

Remember: accepting legal campaign contributions is not sinister. Engaging in quid pro quo for them is.

The politicians that will be investigated will not be determined by who received money by Abramoff or any of his clients. Rather, the focus will be on the politicians that Abramoff and Scanlon rat out (which is what they are doing now).

[LynnTheDem]

52. "accepting legal campaign contributions is not sinister." YES YES YES!

"accepting legal campaign contributions is not sinister. Engaging in quid pro quo for them is."

EXACTLY! Just coz rightwingnuts are so fucking ignorant they don't know this, don't YOU be!

[seabeyond]

12. color you purple when you find no dems, huh? insist there are dems

when everything suggest there are not dems. then dismiss the people that say there is no evidence dems are a part of it.....

you got it down

[txindy]

13. Oh, fine, then. Jack gave money to people he despised.

Sure. Why not? :eyes:

[troubleinwinter]

15. Here you go

From the Fereal Election Commission, as of October 31, 2005

Donor: Abramoff, Jack A. & Pamela

Recipient Donor Total Cycle
Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela ($1,000) 2006
Eric Cantor (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $8,000 2004
Republican Majority Fund, Leadership PAC of Don Nickles (R-Okla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2004
Rich PAC, Leadership PAC of Richard Pombo (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2004
Americans for a Republican Majority, Leadership PAC of Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2004
Arlen Specter (R-Pa) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2004
George W. Bush (R) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2004
John Ensign (R-Nev) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2004
Johnny Isakson (R-Ga) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2004
Keep Our Majority PAC, Leadership PAC of Dennis Hastert (R-Ill) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,500 2004
Charles H. Taylor (R-NC) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Chris Cannon (R-Utah) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Mark Foley (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Leadership PAC 2004, Leadership PAC of Michael G. Oxley (R-Ohio) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Richard Pombo (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Senate Victory Fund, Leadership PAC of Thad Cochran (R-Miss) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2004
Christopher S. 'Kit' Bond (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,500 2004
Curt Weldon (R-Pa) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Doug Ose (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Ernest J. Istook (R-Okla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
George R. Nethercutt Jr. (R-Wash) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Jim Bunning (R-Ky) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Rely on Your Beliefs, Leadership PAC of Roy Blunt (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Tom Feeney (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2004
Americans for a Republican Majority, Leadership PAC of Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $10,000 2002
Friends of the Big Sky, Leadership PAC of Conrad Burns (R-Mont) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2002
Republican Party of New Jersey Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2002
Senate Victory Fund, Leadership PAC of Thad Cochran (R-Miss) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $5,000 2002
Dan Burton (R-Ind) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $3,000 2002
Eric Cantor (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $3,000 2002
Suzanne Terrell (R-La) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $3,000 2002
American Liberty PAC, Leadership PAC of Bob Ney (R-Ohio) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,500 2002
Rob Simmons (R-Conn) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,250 2002
Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr. (R-Miss) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
Connie Morella (R-Md) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
Gordon H. Smith (R-Ore) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
James M. Inhofe (R-Okla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
James M. Talent (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
John T. Doolittle (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
John Thune (R-SD) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
Tim Hutchinson (R-Ark) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2002
Bob Smith (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,240 2002
Bob Ney (R-Ohio) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
C. L. "Butch" Otter (R-Idaho) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Carolyn W. Grant (R-NC) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Denny Rehberg (R-Mont) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Elizabeth Dole (R-NC) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Frank A. LoBiondo (R-NJ) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Heather Wilson (R-NM) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
J. Randy Forbes (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Jack Kingston (R-Ga) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
James V. Hansen (R-Utah) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
John Cornyn (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Battle Born PAC, Leadership PAC of John Ensign (R-Nev) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Kimo Kaloi (R-Hawaii) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Marilyn Musgrave (R-Colo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Mike Ferguson (R-NJ) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Mike Simpson (R-Idaho) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Ralph Regula (R-Ohio) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Ric Keller (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Rely on Your Beliefs, Leadership PAC of Roy Blunt (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Thad Cochran (R-Miss) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2002
Dave Camp (R-Mich) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2002
Phil Gingrey (R-Ga) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2002
Tom Young (R-Ala) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2002
Bill Janklow (R-SD) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $250 2002
Rely on Your Beliefs, Leadership PAC of Roy Blunt (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $6,500 2000
Americans for a Republican Majority, Leadership PAC of Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2000
Tom DeLay (R-Texas) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $4,000 2000
Fund for a Free Market America, Leadership PAC of Phil Crane (R-Ill) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,750 2000
Bob Ney (R-Ohio) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Craig Thomas (R-Wyo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Dan Burton (R-Ind) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Eric Cantor (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
George W. Bush (R) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
John Ashcroft (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
John T. Doolittle (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Spencer Abraham (R-Mich) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
William L. Gormley (R-NJ) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $2,000 2000
Bill McCollum (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Bill Redmond (R-NM) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Bob Riley (R-Ala) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
C. L. "Butch" Otter (R-Idaho) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Claude B. Hutchison Jr. (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Denny Rehberg (R-Mont) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Francis E. Flotron (R-Mo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
George Allen (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Team PAC, Leadership PAC of J. D. Hayworth (R-Ariz) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Mike Enzi (R-Wyo) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Walter B. Jones Jr. (R-NC) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $1,000 2000
Paul Ryan (R-Wis) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $949 2000
Bob Smith (R-Fla) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $920 2000
Joe Pitts (R-Pa) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $894 2000
Charles H. Taylor (R-NC) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $750 2000
Bob Ehrlich (R-Md) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Charles R. Gerow (R-Pa) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr. (R-Miss) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Ed Royce (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Elia Vincent Pirozzi (R-Calif) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Jerry Weller (R-Ill) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Mark Emerson (R-Utah) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Tom Davis (R-Va) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Van Hilleary (R-Tenn) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $500 2000
Rick A. Lazio (R-NY) Abramoff, Jack A & Pamela $250 2000

http://www.capitaleye.org/abramoff_donor.asp

[Octafish]

36. OUTSTANDING POST!

TRUTH. FROM THE FEDERAL ELECTIONS COMMISSION: NOT ONE DEMOCRAT TOOK MONEY FROM JACK ABRAMOFF.

[Roland99]

40. Guess I'll have to give ol' Sen(ile) Bunning's office a call tomorrow.

[Tiggeroshii]

56. there we go the key to a democratic majority

get those guys all escorted out in police trucks and wa-la!

A Democratic majority with a good 60 person margin up unil special elections are held and replacements are elected. We would have the majority for a good month or so before elections -depending on when the rapture takes them..

[lillilbigone]

16. Just because you refuse to accept the truth as true

makes it no less true.

[mzmolly]

17. Here is a comprehensive list of EVERY DEM who has taken money from Jack A

0. NO DEMOCRATS HAVE TAKEN MONEY FROM JACK ABRAMOFF!!!! "THIS IS A REPUBLICAN SCANDAL!"

I repeat:

THIS ... IS ... A ... REPUBLICAN SCANDAL!!!

[Rex]

18. I haven't found any.

Check www.fec.gov for all the contributions given by Abramoff. I KNOW the CMSM would just LOVE to make this a bi-partisan issue. So far it doesn't look to be that way.

[longship]

19. Here is a list of all Dems who took money from Abramoff:

.

[Rainscents]

20. What!?!? Did you drink right wing kool-aid spin???

You should know better by now, how GOP and right wing M$M spins everything!!! :crazy:

[afdip]

21. huffington post has a list of contributions to both today

[orleans]

46. gotta link?

[LynnTheDem]

53. No she doesn't, coz NOT ONE DEM EVER got 1 cent from Abramoff

That's a fact. :)

[w13rd0]

22. intimately involved?

You are f'kn joking, right?

Ok...

Dems in bed with Abramoff:


Republicans in bed with Abramoff:
most of them

[LittleClarkie]

23. Are you calling Howard Dean a liar?

That wouldn't be cool.

[wryter2000]

24. Abramoff didn't give a dime to dems

Even the intelligent repug spin says "Abramoff clients and partners" gave to Dems.

It isn't necessarily because Dems have no greed. It's because Abramoff had no interest in donating to Dems. Dems aren't in power, and he hates Dems.

There were no direct contributions from Abramoff to Dems. Period. And the other associations are tenuous at best.

[mom cat]

27. If you are so certain that they exsist, then find them yourself.

I do not want to be annoying, since that is now illegal, but I believe that this has been thoroughly researched. Some of Abramhof's clients gave to Democrats, but Indian tribes have traditionally given to Democrats. No link to Abramhof has been demonstrated.

[missouri dem 2]

30. Could it be that someone is blowing smoke?

[MercutioATC]

31. Shhhh! We're not allowed to talk about that here...

...the natives get restless.


Personally, I agree with you. And, contrary to popular belief here at DU, there were some.

Start here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/12/12/GR2005121200286.html

[jarab]

38. Thanks for the link, MercutioATC!

...O...

[MercutioATC]

42. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Get me in MORE trouble...

;)


Beware of posting any of the results here. Stuff like THIS happens:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2350299

[txindy]

44. Nice source. Did Woodward write it?

:eyes:

There's another thread around here with that pesky little email of Jack's bemoaning (insulting) the choices the tribes made in their donations, though. Huh.

[Catrina]

55. That whole chart has been debunked. For example, if you are interested in

the truth, where it says 'recipients' and shows a list of Democrats, those were donations from Indian tribes, NOT from Abramoff.

Since the Indian tribes were Abramoff's VICTIMS and not COLLABORATORS, I find it appalling that the media, including the Washington Post, are sliming those tribes.

Please check the FEC list of donors and you will find not one single Democrat on the list. Even Ken Mehlmann has given up on that lie.

Then there are the convictions, the indictments, the targets of the investigations, all Republicans.

If you're getting flack for asking the question, it's only because a lot of people have already asked it, done the research and posted the facts, over and over again.

That chart you just posted is old now, and as I said, is totally misleading. It was probably sent to the Post by Republicans.

Why don't you post the names of any Democrats who are targets of any investigation involving Abramoff. Or anyone who has been indicted, or convicted.

Here, just to start you off, and these are FACTS, not speculation:

Guilty pleas so far:

Adam Kidan, Abramoff partner ~ Republican
Scanlon, Abramoff partner ~ Republican
Abramoff, top Republican lobbyist

Arrested and charged in the Abramoff affairs:

Safavian, White House Official, Republican

Told they are targets:

Tom Delay, his wife and at least one aide, all Republicans (took donations from Abramoff)
Bob Ney, Republican Congressman (took donations from Abramoff)
Doolittle, his wife and aides, all Republicans, and he took donations from Abramoff.

Under suspicion and investigation:

Sen. Cornyn, Republican (took donations from Abramoff)
Sen. Burns, Republican (took donations from Abramoff)

And from the Interior Dept.

Griles, assistant to Gale Norton, aides, all Republicans

If you can find any Dems to add to this short list, feel free. I have to run, so I'll stop there, but there are more, lots more, and they are all Republicans so far.

The Indian tribes, btw, are not at all pleased at the Republican and media spin that they were ever in any way a part of Abramoff's criminal schemes. I imagine they will be speaking out more in the future, and will most likely be witnesses at the various trials.

Democrat listed in your chart, received LEGAL donations from the tribes. The chart should have said that, instead of implying that the donations were from Abramoff. They weren't.

[eve_was_framed]

61. YES!!! Thank you. If I could nominate a post this would be it :-)

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. Call up Mike Malloy and ask him for the list

:evilgrin:

[Cocoa]

33. "The democrats are the enemy. Wade into them! Spill their blood!"

Jack Abramoff on the democrats:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/06/227.html

"The Democrats are the enemy. Wade into them! Spill their blood! Shoot them in the belly!" (Link)

[KittyWampus]

34. You know, it's almost as if some DU'ers WANT there to be Dems implicated

[jarab]

41. democraticunderground is a biased source. I was only asking if it were

possible to get some straight shooters. There were a few.
Thanks. I will accept the answers as offered, and will assume that this far-reaching (worldwide) scandal touches NO Democrats.
...O...

[seabeyond]

50. we had one regular say he "hopes" the dino dems are found in this

corruption. he is hoping there are dems in it. i dont get it.

[Straight Shooter]

37. Oh, Lord, here we go again.

:eyes:

[txindy]

45. But, but,.... It says so right in the MSM!

:rofl:

:rofl:

[kentuck]

39. If there are some Democrats involved with Abramoff....

the Republicans will not be able to keep the secret. You can take that to the bank. The names will come out. You know they are looking as we speak.

[LynnTheDem]

43. NO DEM EVER received one penny from Abramoff.

[orleans]

47. what's going on here? a couple of you are implying, or

directly saying, dems took money from abramoff.

which dems are you referring to? what are the sources?
you're hinting around here with another poster, and maybe i'm a little dense--would you mind just coming out and saying which dems you're talking about that took abramoff money and link to a source?

i'd certainly appreciate it instead of reading this thread and trying to guess between a few of you that keep tip toeing around.

[jarab]

48. No implication here ....

I just asked for some input.
Jack Abramoff a major player for at least ten years, and never saw a need to bribe a SINGLE Democrat.
I find the odds incredibly long that that could be true.
But, that's just me. And, I do hope it's true, but am not holding my breath.
...O...

[orleans]

49. okay--it just sounded as if a couple posts here had something

specific or someone specific in mind.

hell, i'm holding my breath too--thinking it better be true that no dem was on the take from abramoff--he was such a does of poison you'd think any dem would be on to what he was trying to do if he was trying to bribe them too. i read a remark by him that he wanted to take the democratic party down. so the congressional dems--hopefully--knew better than to play with the dose of poison.

if it comes out that any dem was taking bribes from that shit i'd be as pissed off as i was when someone (and i'm not mentioning any names) conceded a wee bit early in the night (and ran off to a christmas party in california)

[Catrina]

58. You obviously never heard of Tom Delay's 'K Street Project'!

*Sigh* ~ if only we had a real press, with real journalists who reported accurately on the news, those of us who are not paid to dig up the facts, would have time for other things.

The reason why you can hold your breath, lies in the fact that from the time the Republicans took over Congress in 1994, it was decided that K Street would be taken over by Republicans. It was decided by Tom Delay, their resident hitman, that no Democrat would get a dime if they could help it.

Even if there was a crooked Dem. who WANTED to take money from Abramoff, he would not have had a chance of getting any.

You'll see that while they totally succeeded in shutting Democrats out of the DC money machine, and probably laughed at how successful they all were, it is this 'success' that has now come back to bite them in the rear-end.

The irony of it all! Karma can be such a pain! Their total victory, or so they thought, may now be their downfall. So go ahead and hold your breath, it's not because all Dems are pure, it's because the Repubs were so completely successful!! And when I think about that, I have to laugh. How they must wish right now that they had failed! :rofl:

Here's some info on the K Street Project.

The K Street Project: The Silent Coup the Media Forgot

In what amounts to a silent coup, an unholy alliance of corporate power brokers and conservative Republicans have spent the last five years attempting to hi-jack democracy and move the seat of governance from Pennsylvania Avenue to K Street.

But you won’t read about this coup, you won’t see it played out on the evening news, and you won’t hear about it on talk radio. Why? Because the mainstream media are major combatants.

At the center of this takeover is the K Street Project – an attempt to purge industry’s lobbyists of any and all Democrats, and to make sure that "...even the secretaries..." are "conservative Republican activists."

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/10/1772955.php#1772956

And more:

Something Stinks In America

The K Street Project is little known outside the Washington beltway and its effectiveness as a political stratagem is only possible because of the unique importance of campaign finance to American politics. DeLay, together with Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum and some conservative activists, notably the ubiquitous Grover Norquist who runs the anti-state, anti-tax lobby group 'Americans for Tax Reform', conceived the notion 10 years ago that they should use the Republican majority in the House as a lever to ensure that the lobbyists, law firms and trade associations that inhabit Washington's K Street, heart of the industry, should only employ Republicans or sympathisers. To be a Democrat was to bear the mark of Cain; K Street was to be a Democrat-free zone.


This, if it could be pulled off, would have multiple pay-backs. Special-interest groups and companies have always greased the palms of American law-makers and because of lack of party discipline, they have had to grease Democrat and Republican palms alike to get the legislation they wanted. DeLay's ambition was to construct such a disciplined Republican party that lobbyists would not need Democrats, and so create an inside track in which the only greased palms from legislators to lobbyists would be Republican.

Lobbyists, law firms and trade associations should be told not to employ Democrats, so progressively excluding them from access to the lucrative channels of campaign finance. Democrats would become both poorer and politically diminished at a stroke and the Republicans would become richer and politically hegemonic.

It has worked. The most influential Washington lobbyist is Barbour, Griffiths and Rogers; it employs not a single Democrat. Last year, in a classic operation, House Republicans let the Motion Picture Association of America (the film industry lobby group) know that appointing a Democrat, Dan Glickman, as its head would mean $1.5 billion of tax relief for the film industry was now in peril. Glickman staffed up the MPAA with Republicans, but the threat remains. In 2003, the Republican National Committee could claim that 33 of the top 36 top-level K Street positions were in Republican hands. Today, it's even closer to a clean sweep.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/10/1772955.php#1772956

So, as you can see, the success of Tom Delay's and Grover Norquist's K Street Project has now become their downfall. They can't find a single Democrat to share their crimes with, because they made sure that K street was a Democrat-free zone. Not even Zell Miller, or Joe Lieberman were allowed into the exclusive Republican take-over! I can imagine how many of them must be kicking themselves for not allowing at least a few Dems to take a little money. But they were so greedy, so power-hungry, so confident and arrogant, and now, even with the help of their media friends (some paid by Abramoff, btw) they can't overcome their own 'success'!

This story should be a lesson to all that sometimes we should be careful what we wish for!

[eve_was_framed]

60. Thank you for this post! I'm so sick of people not looking at the facts

and buying into the Republican spin!