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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:15 PM
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Mallard Fillmore: Worst. Lying .Comic. Ever.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/mallard.asp?date=20060412

It says that 65% of tax revenues go to the IRS' expenses.


Contrariwise, my 2-second estimatation says that about 1/10,000th of tax revenues go to the IRS' expenses.

I used very rough numbers - even mixing years - but they can't be so far off as to render Tinsley's comic anything more than an outright lie.

I used $10 billion for the IRS, and $500 trillion for total tax revenue.



http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/TaxFacts/TFDB/TFTemplate.cfm?Docid=413&Topic2id=90

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/fy07budgetinbrief.pdf


Feel free to provide more accurate numbers/calculations!
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:20 PM
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1. $500 trillion sounds really high.
But $10 billion sounds plausible. Even so, 65% is way off.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:21 PM
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2. Maybe I read the doc wrong - care to double check?
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:26 PM
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5. i see...
That number you quoted as $500 trillion is actually $500 billion.

So instead of 65%, the douchebag who puts words in Mallard Fillmore's mouth should have said 2%.

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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:31 PM
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7. Maybe I'm wrong, but the last time I checked
Total US Government revenue was a lot more than that, close to $2 trillion.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 06:07 PM
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14. maybe
I just followed the links in the OP.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:22 PM
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3. His source: James Payne
American Enterprise Online. Only one problem. I did a search of AE and found nothing.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:53 PM
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13. You have to just search on "payne"
Their search seems built to prevent you from finding things out, not to getting information quickly and easily.

My, what a surprise.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:24 PM
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4. More info on "James Payne"
James L Payne

Director at
BJ Services Company
Houston, Texas
BASIC MATERIALS / OIL & GAS EQUIPMENT & SERVICES
Director since 1999

68 years old

Mr. Payne has served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Shona Energy Company, LLC, since March 2005. In May 2004, Mr. Payne retired as Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of Nuevo Energy Company, which is engaged in the production of oil and gas. Mr. Payne had served in that capacity since October 2001. Mr. Payne served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Santa Fe Energy from 1990 until May 1999, when Santa Fe merged with Snyder Oil Corporation, which also is engaged in the production of oil and gas. Following the merger, he was Chief Executive Officer and then Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the merged company, Santa Fe Snyder Corporation. Santa Fe Snyder merged with Devon Energy Corporation, which also is engaged in the production of oil and gas, in August 2000, and Mr. Payne was Vice Chairman and a director of Devon through January 2001. Mr. Payne is also a director of Nabors Industries Ltd. and Global Industries, Ltd.


"BJ Services", I love it.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:50 PM
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9. I don't think that's the same guy
The AEI guy is another one of their "scholars":
James L. Payne has taught political science at Yale, Wesleyan, Johns Hopkins, and Texas A&M.

James L. Payne earned his doctorate in political science at the University of California at Berkeley in 1968, and has taught at Yale, Wesleyan, Johns Hopkins, and Texas A&M Universities. He is the author of twelve books, including works on Latin American politics, social science methodology, defense policy, and the motivation of politicians. In 1996 he was a Bradley Fellow at the Heritage Foundation, undertaking research on the welfare system.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:52 PM
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11. Ah, then I was wrong
But he certainly doesn't make much of an imprint on the 'net.

As I said, the AE Online search couldn't even find him.
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Bill McBlueState Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:27 PM
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6. and another thing
Dude forgot to include the joke. Usually a "comic" strip is in some way "comedic." I see a wrong fact, but I don't see a joke.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:52 PM
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12. There's never a joke in Millard Fillmore.
He sometimes seems to think he's building up to one, but I have yet to see an MF strip that conformed to any objective standard of funny. The whole premise seems to be, "Right-wing talking points are cuter when they come from a punnily named duck!"

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:37 PM
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8. here's the relevant text from payne:
payne's talking about the overhead involved in government subsidies. the last sentence conjures up images of crude calculations on a napkin over cocktails, but even assuming that payne's numbers make sense, he's not talking about the IRS'S EXPENSES as a percentage of TOTAL TAX REVENUES.

he's talking at best about the ENTIRE ECONOMY'S overhead as a percentage of THE PORTION OF TAXES USED AS SUBSIDIES.

so my take is that mallard fillmore is layering bu**sh** on top of bu**sh**.



http://www.theamericanenterprise.org/issues/articleid.18407/article_detail.asp

Subsidies are now so deeply embedded in modern thinking and culture that a direct campaign against them is probably impossible. A forthright critic would simply find himself pilloried. It is not healthy to tell grandmothers and Washington Post reporters that "Uncle Sam" is a self-serving illusion. To have any hope of success, the effort to reduce the country's dependence on subsidies will have to follow indirect routes. One promising avenue is that of providing information about the overhead costs of subsidy systems.

Most people are not even dimly aware of the staggering waste involved in subsidy programs. What they see-once they get past the fallacies and euphemisms-is that money is taken from one place and shifted elsewhere. And then, in other subsidy programs, money is shifted back. Farmers are taxed in many ways, and then subsidized in others. Seniors are taxed, and then a lot of their taxes are given back to them in the form of medical care. And so on.

Politicians, policy experts and academics are amazingly complacent about the blizzard of cross-subsidies that now rages. Several years ago I asked a staff member of the Senate Budget Committee whether she was worried about this problem. Not at all. "It evens out," she said. "Everybody pays for everyone else's goods."

This view ignores the overhead costs of subsidies. When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you incur all sorts of losses. Peter's incentives to work, create, and invest are undermined. Very often, so are Paul's. The result is that economic effort, production, and employment are often lower than they would otherwise be.

And of course there are the costs of operating the tax system: compliance costs, litigation costs, tax planning distortions, and so on. A few years ago I made an attempt to add up all these burdens. The total was a 65 cent loss for every dollar of taxes collected.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-12-06 04:51 PM
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10. Lame Duck...
and one-note pony.
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