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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:32 PM
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Experts Write Congress: Bush and the NSA broke the law
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 06:41 PM by understandinglife
Dear Members of Congress:

We are scholars of constitutional law and former government officials. We write in our individual capacities as citizens concerned by the Bush Administration's National Security Agency domestic spying program, as reported in the New York Times, and in particular to respond to the Justice Department's December 22, 2005 letter to the majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees setting forth the administration's defense of the program. Although the program's secrecy prevents us from being privy to all of its details, the Justice Department's defense of what it concedes was secret and warrantless electronic surveillance of persons within the United States fails to identify any plausible legal authority for such surveillance. Accordingly the program appears on its face to violate existing law.

The basic legal question here is not new. In 1978, after an extensive investigation of the privacy violations associated with foreign intelligence surveillance programs, Congress and the President enacted the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Pub. L. 95-511, 92 Stat. 1783. FISA comprehensively regulates electronic surveillance within the United States, striking a careful balance between protecting civil liberties and preserving the "vitally important government purpose" of obtaining valuable intelligence in order to safeguard national security. S. Rep. No. 95-604, pt. 1, at 9 (1977).

With minor exceptions, FISA authorizes electronic surveillance only upon certain specified showings, and only if approved by a court. The statute specifically allows for warrantless wartime domestic electronic surveillance--but only for the first fifteen days of a war. 50 U.S.C. § 1811. It makes criminal any electronic surveillance not authorized by statute, id. § 1809; and it expressly establishes FISA and specified provisions of the federal criminal code (which govern wiretaps for criminal investigation) as the "exclusive means by which electronic surveillance ... may be conducted," 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(f) (emphasis added).

The Department of Justice concedes that the NSA program was not authorized by any of the above provisions. It maintains, however, that the program did not violate existing law because Congress implicitly authorized the NSA program when it enacted the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF) against al Qaeda, Pub. L. No. 107-40, 115 Stat. 224 (2001). But the AUMF cannot reasonably be construed to implicitly authorize warrantless electronic surveillance in the United States during wartime, where Congress has expressly and specifically addressed that precise question in FISA and limited any such warrantless surveillance to the first fifteen days of war.

The DOJ also invokes the President's inherent constitutional authority as Commander in Chief to collect "signals intelligence" targeted at the enemy, and maintains that construing FISA to prohibit the President's actions would raise constitutional questions. But even conceding that the President in his role as Commander in Chief may generally collect signals intelligence on the enemy abroad, Congress indisputably has authority to regulate electronic surveillance within the United States, as it has done in FISA. Where Congress has so regulated, the President can act in contravention of statute only if his authority is exclusive, and not subject to the check of statutory regulation. The DOJ letter pointedly does not make that extraordinary claim.

Moreover, to construe the AUMF as the DOJ suggests would itself raise serious constitutional questions under the Fourth Amendment. The Supreme Court has never upheld warrantless wiretapping within the United States. Accordingly, the principle that statutes should be construed to avoid serious constitutional questions provides an additional reason for concluding that the AUMF does not authorize the President's actions here.

I. CONGRESS DID NOT IMPLICITLY AUTHORIZE THE NSA DOMESTIC SPYING PROGRAM IN THE AUMF, AND IN FACT EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED IT IN FISA

The DOJ concedes (Letter at 4) that the NSA program involves "electronic surveillance," which is defined in FISA to mean the interception of the contents of telephone, wire, or email communications that occur, at least in part, in the United States. 50 U.S.C. §§ 1801(f)(1)-(2), 1801(n). NSA engages in such surveillance without judicial approval, and apparently without the substantive showings that FISA requires--e.g., that the subject is an "agent of a foreign power." Id. § 1805(a). The DOJ does not argue that FISA itself authorizes such electronic surveillance; and, as the DOJ letter acknowledges, 18 U.S.C. § 1809 makes criminal any electronic surveillance not authorized by statute.

The DOJ nevertheless contends that the surveillance is authorized by the AUMF, signed on September 18, 2001, which empowers the President to use "all necessary and appropriate force against" al Qaeda. According to the DOJ, collecting "signals intelligence" on the enemy, even if it involves tapping U.S. phones without court approval or probable cause, is a "fundamental incident of war" authorized by the AUMF. This argument fails for four reasons.

First, and most importantly, the DOJ's argument rests on an unstated general "implication" from the AUMF that directly contradicts express and specific language in FISA. Specific and "carefully drawn" statutes prevail over general statutes where there is a conflict. Morales v. TWA, Inc., 504 U.S. 374, 384-85 (1992) (quoting International Paper Co. v. Ouelette, 479 U.S. 481, 494 (1987)). In FISA, Congress has directly and specifically spoken on the question of domestic warrantless wiretapping, including during wartime, and it could not have spoken more clearly.

As noted above, Congress has comprehensively regulated all electronic surveillance in the United States, and authorizes such surveillance only pursuant to specific statutes designated as the "exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . and the interception of domestic wire, oral, and electronic communications may be conducted." 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(f) (emphasis added). Moreover, FISA specifically addresses the question of domestic wiretapping during wartime. In a provision entitled "Authorization during time of war," FISA dictates that "otwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for a period not to exceed fifteen calendar days following a declaration of war by the Congress." 50 U.S.C. § 1811 (emphasis added). Thus, even where Congress has declared war--a more formal step than an authorization such as the AUMF--the law limits warrantless wiretapping to the first fifteen days of the conflict. Congress explained that if the President needed further warrantless surveillance during wartime, the fifteen days would be sufficient for Congress to consider and enact further authorization. Rather than follow this course, the President acted unilaterally and secretly in contravention of FISA's terms. The DOJ letter remarkably does not even mention FISA's fifteen-day war provision, which directly refutes the President's asserted "implied" authority.

In light of the specific and comprehensive regulation of FISA, especially the fifteen-day war provision, there is no basis for finding in the AUMF's general language implicit authority for unchecked warrantless domestic wiretapping. As Justice Frankfurter stated in rejecting a similar argument by President Truman when he sought to defend the seizure of the steel mills during the Korean War on the basis of implied congressional authorization: "It is one thing to draw an intention of Congress from general language and to say that Congress would have explicitly written what is inferred, where Congress has not addressed itself to a specific situation. It is quite impossible, however, when Congress did specifically address itself to a problem, as Congress did to that of seizure, to find secreted in the interstices of legislation the very grant of power which Congress consciously withheld. To find authority so explicitly withheld is ... to disrespect the whole legislative process and the constitutional division of authority between President and Congress." Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. 579, 609 (1952) (Frankfurter, J., concurring).

Second, the DOJ's argument would require the conclusion that Congress implicitly and sub silentio repealed 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(f), the provision that identifies FISA and specific criminal code provisions as "the exclusive means by which electronic surveillance . . . may be conducted." Repeals by implication are strongly disfavored; they can be established only by "overwhelming evidence," J.E.M. Ag. Supply, Inc. v. Pioneer Hi-Bred Int'l, Inc., 534 U.S. 124, 137 (2001), and "'the only permissible justification for a repeal by implication is when the earlier and later statutes are irreconcilable,'" id. at 141-142 (quoting Morton v. Mancari, 417 U.S. 535, 550 (1974)). The AUMF and § 2511(2)(f) are not irreconcilable, and there is no evidence, let alone overwhelming evidence, that Congress intended to repeal § 2511(2)(f).

Third, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has admitted that the administration did not seek to amend FISA to authorize the NSA spying program because it was advised that Congress would reject such an amendment. The administration cannot argue on the one hand that Congress authorized the NSA program in the AUMF, and at the same time that it did not ask Congress for such authorization because it feared Congress would say no.

Finally, the DOJ's reliance upon Hamdi v. Rumsfeld, 542 U.S. 507 (2004), to support its reading of the AUMF, see DOJ Letter at 3, is misplaced. A plurality of the Court in Hamdi held that the AUMF authorized military detention of enemy combatants captured on the battlefield abroad as a "fundamental incident of waging war." Id. at 519. The plurality expressly limited this holding to individuals who were "part of or supporting forces hostile to the United States or coalition partners in Afghanistan and who engaged in an armed conflict against the United States there." Id. at 516 (emphasis added). It is one thing, however, to say that foreign battlefield capture of enemy combatants is an incident of waging war that Congress intended to authorize. It is another matter entirely to treat unchecked warrantless domestic spying as included in that authorization, especially where an existing statute specifies that other laws are the "exclusive means" by which electronic surveillance may be conducted and provides that even a declaration of war authorizes such spying only for a fifteen-day emergency period.

II. CONSTRUING FISA TO PROHIBIT WARRANTLESS DOMESTIC WIRETAPPING DOES NOT RAISE ANY SERIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTION, WHEREAS CONSTRUING THE AUMF TO AUTHORIZE SUCH WIRETAPPING WOULD RAISE SERIOUS QUESTIONS UNDER THE FOURTH AMENDMENT

The DOJ argues that FISA and the AUMF should be construed to permit the NSA program's domestic surveillance because otherwise there might be a "conflict between FISA and the President's Article II authority as Commander-in-Chief." DOJ Letter at 4. The statutory scheme described above is not ambiguous, and therefore the constitutional avoidance doctrine is not even implicated. See United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Coop., 532 U.S. 483, 494 (2001) (the "canon of constitutional avoidance has no application in the absence of statutory ambiguity"). But were it implicated, it would work against the President, not in his favor. Construing FISA and the AUMF according to their plain meanings raises no serious constitutional questions regarding the President's duties under Article II. Construing the AUMF to permit unchecked warrantless wiretapping without probable cause, however, would raise serious questions under the Fourth Amendment.

A. FISA's Limitations Are Consistent with the President's Article II Role

We do not dispute that, absent congressional action, the President might have inherent constitutional authority to collect "signals intelligence" about the enemy abroad. Nor do we dispute that, had Congress taken no action in this area, the President might well be constitutionally empowered to conduct domestic surveillance directly tied and narrowly confined to that goal--subject, of course, to Fourth Amendment limits. Indeed, in the years before FISA was enacted, the federal law involving wiretapping specifically provided that "othing contained in this chapter or in section 605 of the Communications Act of 1934 shall limit the constitutional power of the President . . . to obtain foreign intelligence information deemed essential to the security of the United States." 18 U.S.C. § 2511(3) (1976).

But FISA specifically repealed that provision. FISA § 201(c), 92 Stat. 1797, and replaced it with language dictating that FISA and the criminal code are the "exclusive means" of conducting electronic surveillance. In doing so, Congress did not deny that the President has constitutional power to conduct electronic surveillance for national security purposes; rather, Congress properly concluded that "even if the President has the inherent authority in the absence of legislation to authorize warrantless electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, Congress has the power to regulate the conduct of such surveillance by legislating a reasonable procedure, which then becomes the exclusive means by which such surveillance may be conducted." H.R. Rep. No. 95-1283, pt. 1, at 24 (1978) (emphasis added). This analysis, Congress noted, was "supported by two successive Attorneys General." Id.

To say that the President has inherent authority does not mean that his authority is exclusive, or that his conduct is not subject to statutory regulations enacted (as FISA was) pursuant to Congress's Article I powers. As Justice Jackson famously explained in his influential opinion in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer, 343 U.S. at 635 (Jackson, J., concurring), the Constitution "enjoins upon its branches separateness but interdependence, autonomy but reciprocity. Presidential powers are not fixed but fluctuate, depending upon their disjunction or conjunction with those of Congress." For example, the President in his role as Commander in Chief directs military operations. But the Framers gave Congress the power to prescribe rules for the regulation of the armed and naval forces, Art. I, § 8, cl. 14, and if a duly enacted statute prohibits the military from engaging in torture or cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment, the President must follow that dictate. As Justice Jackson wrote, when the President acts in defiance of "the expressed or implied will of Congress," his power is "at its lowest ebb." 343 U.S. at 637. In this setting, Jackson wrote, "Presidential power most vulnerable to attack and in the least favorable of possible constitutional postures." Id. at 640.

Congress plainly has authority to regulate domestic wiretapping by federal agencies under its Article I powers, and the DOJ does not suggest otherwise. Indeed, when FISA was enacted, the Justice Department agreed that Congress had power to regulate such conduct, and could require judicial approval of foreign intelligence surveillance. FISA does not prohibit foreign intelligence surveillance, but merely imposes reasonable regulation to protect legitimate privacy rights. (For example, although FISA generally requires judicial approval for electronic surveillance of persons within the United States, it permits the executive branch to install a wiretap immediately so long as it obtains judicial approval within 72 hours. 50 U.S.C. § 1805(f).)

Just as the President is bound by the statutory prohibition on torture, he is bound by the statutory dictates of FISA. The DOJ once infamously argued that the President as Commander in Chief could ignore even the criminal prohibition on torture, and, more broadly still, that statutes may not "place any limits on the President's determinations as to any terrorist threat, the amount of military force to be used in response, or the method, timing, and nature of the response." But the administration withdrew the August 2002 torture memo after it was disclosed, and for good reason the DOJ does not advance these extreme arguments here. Absent a serious question about FISA's constitutionality, there is no reason even to consider construing the AUMF to have implicitly overturned the carefully designed regulatory regime that FISA establishes. See, e.g., Reno v. Flores, 507 U.S. 292, 314 n.9 (1993) (constitutional avoidance canon applicable only if the constitutional question to be avoided is a serious one, "not to eliminate all possible contentions that the statute might be unconstitutional") (emphasis in original; citation omitted).

B. Construing the AUMF to Authorize Warrantless Domestic Wiretapping Would Raise Serious Constitutional Questions

The principle that ambiguous statutes should be construed to avoid serious constitutional questions works against the administration, not in its favor. Interpreting the AUMF and FISA to permit unchecked domestic wiretapping for the duration of the conflict with al Qaeda would certainly raise serious constitutional questions. The Supreme Court has never upheld such a sweeping power to invade the privacy of Americans at home without individualized suspicion or judicial oversight.

The NSA surveillance program permits wiretapping within the United States without either of the safeguards presumptively required by the Fourth Amendment for electronic surveillance--individualized probable cause and a warrant or other order issued by a judge or magistrate. The Court has long held that wiretaps generally require a warrant and probable cause. Katz v. United States, 389 U.S. 347 (1967). And the only time the Court considered the question of national security wiretaps, it held that the Fourth Amendment prohibits domestic security wiretaps without those safeguards. United States v. United States Dist. Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972). Although the Court in that case left open the question of the Fourth Amendment validity of warrantless wiretaps for foreign intelligence purposes, its precedents raise serious constitutional questions about the kind of open-ended authority the President has asserted with respect to the NSA program. See id. at 316-18 (explaining difficulty of guaranteeing Fourth Amendment freedoms if domestic surveillance can be conducted solely in the discretion of the executive branch).

Indeed, serious Fourth Amendment questions about the validity of warrantless wiretapping led Congress to enact FISA, in order to "provide the secure framework by which the executive branch may conduct legitimate electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes within the context of this nation's commitment to privacy and individual rights." S. Rep. No. 95-604, pt. 1, at 15 (1977) (citing, inter alia, Zweibon v, Mitchell, 516 F.2d 594 (D.C. Cir. 1975), in which "the court of appeals held that a warrant must be obtained before a wiretap is installed on a domestic organization that is neither the agent of, nor acting in collaboration with, a foreign power").

Relying on In re Sealed Case No. 02-001, the DOJ argues that the NSA program falls within an exception to the warrant and probable cause requirement for reasonable searches that serve "special needs" above and beyond ordinary law enforcement. But the existence of "special needs" has never been found to permit warrantless wiretapping. "Special needs" generally excuse the warrant and individualized suspicion requirements only where those requirements are impracticable and the intrusion on privacy is minimal. See, e.g., Griffin v. Wisconsin, 483 U.S. 868, 873 (1987). Wiretapping is not a minimal intrusion on privacy, and the experience of FISA shows that foreign intelligence surveillance can be carried out through warrants based on individualized suspicion..

The court in Sealed Case upheld FISA itself, which requires warrants issued by Article III federal judges upon an individualized showing of probable cause that the subject is an "agent of a foreign power." The NSA domestic spying program, by contrast, includes none of these safeguards. It does not require individualized judicial approval, and it does not require a showing that the target is an "agent of a foreign power." According to Attorney General Gonzales, the NSA may wiretap any person in the United States who so much as receives a communication from anyone abroad, if the administration deems either of the parties to be affiliated with al Qaeda, a member of an organization affiliated with al Qaeda, "working in support of al Qaeda," or "part of" an organization or group "that is supportive of al Qaeda." Under this reasoning, a U.S. citizen living here who received a phone call from another U.S. citizen who attends a mosque that the administration believes is "supportive" of al Qaeda could be wiretapped without a warrant. The absence of meaningful safeguards on the NSA program at a minimum raises serious questions about the validity of the program under the Fourth Amendment, and therefore supports an interpretation of the AUMF that does not undercut FISA's regulation of such conduct.
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In conclusion, the DOJ letter fails to offer a plausible legal defense of the NSA domestic spying program. If the Administration felt that FISA was insufficient, the proper course was to seek legislative amendment, as it did with other aspects of FISA in the Patriot Act, and as Congress expressly contemplated when it enacted the wartime wiretap provision in FISA. One of the crucial features of a constitutional democracy is that it is always open to the President -- or anyone else -- to seek to change the law. But it is also beyond dispute that, in such a democracy, the President cannot simply violate criminal laws behind closed doors because he deems them obsolete or impracticable.

We hope you find these views helpful to your consideration of the legality of the NSA domestic spying program.

Sincerely,

Curtis A. Bradley
Richard and Marcy Horvitz Professor of Law, Duke University*
Former Counselor on International Law in the State Department Legal Adviser's Office, 2004

David Cole
Professor of Law, Georgetown University Law Center

Walter Dellinger
Douglas Blount Maggs Professor of Law, Duke University
Former Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel,1993-1996
Former Acting Solicitor General of the United States, 1996-97

Ronald Dworkin
Frank Henry Sommer Professor, New York University Law School

Richard Epstein
James Parker Hall Distinguished Service Professor, University of Chicago Law School
Peter and Kirsten Bedford Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution

Harold Hongju Koh
Dean and Gerard C. and Bernice Latrobe Smith Professor of International Law, Yale Law School
Former Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor 1998-2001
Former Attorney-Adviser, Office of Legal Counsel, DOJ, 1983-85

Philip B. Heymann
James Barr Ames Professor, Harvard Law School
Former Deputy Attorney General, 1993-94

Martin S. Lederman
Visiting Professor, Georgetown University Law Center
Former Attorney Advisor, Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel, 1994-2002

Beth Nolan
Former Counsel to the President, 1999-2001; Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Office of Legal Counsel, 1996-1999; Associate Counsel to the President, 1993-1995; Attorney Advisor, Office of Legal Counsel, 1981-1985

William S. Sessions
Former Director, FBI
Former Chief United States District Judge, Western District of Texas

Geoffrey R. Stone
Harry Kalven, Jr. Distinguished Service Professor of Law, University of Chicago
Former Dean of the University of Chicago Law School and Provost of the University of Chicago

Kathleen M. Sullivan
Stanley Morrison Professor, Stanford Law School
Former Dean, Stanford Law School

Laurence H. Tribe
Carl M. Loeb University Professor and Professor of Constitutional Law
Harvard Law School

William W. Van Alstyne
Lee Professor, William and Mary Law School
Former Attorney, Department of Justice, 1958

* Affiliations are noted for identification purposes only.


Link:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-the-nsa-surveillance-_b_13522.html


You'll want to send this to everyone you know.


Peace.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:36 PM
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1. Dammit, the "recommended" button only works once....
kick!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:40 PM
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2. Thank you. I do hope this important letter will be distributed widely.
Peace.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:42 PM
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3. I did it for ya
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:44 PM
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5. Thank you!
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:32 PM
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26. Dear Gov. Dean -- “I know the capacity … to make tyranny total in America”
10 January 2006 (# 36)

Dear Gov. Dean,

As you likely know, those are the ominous and now eerily apropos words of Senator Frank Church:

"I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge," Senator Church said. "I know the capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return."

Link: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/printer_122505Y.shtml


Senator Church knew what would happen if any American President were to direct the vast communications intercept and analysis capabilities of the National Security Agency (NSA) at our fellow citizens. Has Bush done just that?

Frank Rich urges us to see the obvious. For purpose of context, I’ll simply paraphrase his recent article entitled “The Wiretappers That Couldn't Shoot Straight” -- terrorists aren’t stupid and they do have a clue as to what the NSA does. So, what is the reason for “the White House's over-the-top outrage about the Times scoop …” as Frank Rich puts it? His assessment is that Bush, Cheney and the gang don’t like their failures being exposed.

That motive is not, as many liberals would have it, a simple ideological crusade to gut the Bill of Rights. Real conservatives, after all, are opposed to Big Brother; even the staunch Bush ally Grover Norquist has criticized the N.S.A.'s overreaching. The highest priority for the Karl Rove-driven presidency is instead to preserve its own power at all costs. With this gang, political victory and the propaganda needed to secure it always trump principles, even conservative principles, let alone the truth. Whenever the White House most vociferously attacks the press, you can be sure its No. 1 motive is to deflect attention from embarrassing revelations about its incompetence and failures.

Link: http://select.nytimes.com/2006/01/08/opinion/08rich.html?hp=&pagewanted=print


However, Mr. Rich also notes what I think is the more likely reason Bush, Cheney and their neoconster minions are hyper-ventilating:

Given that the reporters on the Times story, James Risen and Eric Lichtblau, wrote that nearly a dozen current and former officials had served as their sources, there may be more leaks to come, and not just to The Times. Sooner or later we'll find out what the White House is really so defensive about.

Perhaps it's the obvious: the errant spying ensnared Americans talking to Americans, not just Americans talking to jihadists in Afghanistan.

Link: ibid.


Bush and the gang have reason to be very concerned if they enabled the NSA “cross the bridge” and, despite their best efforts to destroy evidence, current and former members of NSA, and perhaps other government officials, have revealed to Risen, Lichtblau, and others that that is exactly what Bush is attempting to hide.
I think we can amplify our fellow citizens’ concern by juxtaposing a practice that Bush, once again inspired by Cheney, has used extensively to render the Congress, and the Constitution, irrelevant.

President Bush agreed with great fanfare last month to accept a ban on torture, but he later quietly reserved the right to ignore it, even as he signed it into law.

Acting from the seclusion of his Texas ranch at the start of New Year's weekend, Bush said he would interpret the new law in keeping with his expansive view of presidential power. He did it by issuing a bill-signing statement - a little-noticed device that has become a favorite tool of presidential power in the Bush White House.

In fact, Bush has used signing statements to reject, revise or put his spin on more than 500 legislative provisions. Experts say he has been far more aggressive than any previous president in using the statements to claim sweeping executive power – and not just on national security issues.
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In 2003, lawmakers tried to get a handle on Bush's use of signing statements by passing a Justice Department spending bill that required the department to inform Congress whenever the administration decided to ignore a legislative provision on constitutional grounds. Bush signed the bill, but issued a statement asserting his right to ignore the notification requirement.

Link: http://tinyurl.com/a53kd


These quotes from “Bush using a little-noticed strategy to alter the balance of power” by Ron Hutcheson and James Kuhnhenn published on 9 January, 2006, reveal a President intent on being a dictator. A dictator coupled with NSA technologies is a potent a totalitarian regime.

Every Democratic candidate for Congress should bring the contents of the Hutcheson and Kuhnhenn report to their respective constituencies and explain exactly what it means. It means that the Republican Congress has willingly participated in a nearly silent coup by allowing Bush to obliterate what the Founders accomplished. The Founders instituted checks and balances because they lived the tyranny of kings, and they recognized the Constitutional imperative that Congress not only legislates, but that it must persistently hold the Executive branch accountable.

The Republican Congress has abdicated. Democratic Party messaging must convey that the consequence of abdication for current Republican Members of Congress is that, at a minimum, they are going to be replaced. The messaging also must convey that whether Bush and Cheney resign before January, 2007, they are going to be impeached and prosecuted for their crimes against the citizens of America and humanity. They can run but they’ve got no place to hide.

Thank you for your continued leadership,

p.s. I urge you to post a copy of Prof. Geoffrey R. Stone and his colleagues' letter (http://tinyurl.com/8dulb) to the DNC homepage, send a copy to every Member of Congress, and request all your allied organizations to send it to their respective mail/e-email lists. It is essential that all our fellow citizens realize the Constitutional crisis caused by Bush's lawlessness transcends any partisan barrier -- Bush, Cheney and their neoconster minions are threatening America, they must be stopped and brought to justice, now.



Peace.




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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:35 PM
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27. Cumulative letter index:
# 1 -- Dear Gov. Dean --- America, Or Not?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5531641

# 2 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush knows he's lying ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5541924

# 3 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Talk about extreme hiking …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5551415

# 4 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- About those “Niger forgeries” ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5560254

# 5 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Passing the "Nuremberg chalice" …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5568226

# 6 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Beyond a wall for “The Fallen Legion” …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5574037&mesg_id=5574037

# 7 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Let’s take Wally O’Dell at his word …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x404707

# 8 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “Making it up” … Must Be Stopped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5593443&mesg_id=5593443

# 9 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Accumulated evil of the whole"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5601256&mesg_id=5601256

# 10 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Just dial 1-800-CALL-SPY ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5608382

# 11 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Same Intel as Congress," NOT ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5611041&mesg_id=5611041

# 12 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- On Concealing Crimes …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5608382&mesg_id=5615989

# 13 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- No One Is Above The Law In America
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5630443&mesg_id=5630443

# 14 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Why did Bush violate FISA and the 4th Amendment?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5638345&mesg_id=5638345

# 15 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "From Conservative Scholars to Sigint specialists …"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5647673&mesg_id=5649953

# 16 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The BIG New York Times story yet to be told …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5660702&mesg_id=5660702

# 17 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The rabid dogs are cornered …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5666006&mesg_id=5666006

# 18 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush's Treasonous Christmas Gift to Iran ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5675687

# 19 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Make Room at the Inn for the Two Ethnic Uighurs ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5679357&mesg_id=5679357

# 20 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The Destruction of Meaning ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5684701&mesg_id=5684701

# 21 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- It's No Longer Baseball ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5687852&mesg_id=5687852

# 22 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- It's the Oppression of Females ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=29232

# 23 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “GOP wins Senate, holds House, CNN projects"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5703874&mesg_id=5703874

# 24 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- GOPers either Impeach Bush or Lose in 2006
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=19413

# 25 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Coleen Rowley speaks truth to Bush's liars-for-hire …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=8294

# 26 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The Bush, Blair Confess-or-Boil Policy ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2667

# 27 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- "Total Information Awareness" -- For ALL Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=31336&mesg_id=31336

# 28 -- Dear Gov. Dean - Even Ashcroft said “No”; So, why did the NYTimes hide it?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=37023&mesg_id=37023

# 29 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Congratulations, and …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=43982&mesg_id=43982

# 30 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- NSA, Telco illegal spying pre-dates 9/11 ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=52300&mesg_id=52300

# 31 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “Solving” the Iraqi WMD problem …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=52300&mesg_id=59094

# 32 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- So, they attack Rep. Murtha instead of the criminals …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=70009&mesg_id=70009

# 33 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- Bush’s lethal, impenetrable narcissism …
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=75571&mesg_id=75571

# 34 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- The Dearlove-Tenet Summit and Bush's Crimes ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=84233&mesg_id=84233

# 35 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “I would not have gone to war on such flimsy grounds”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=84233&mesg_id=89044

# 36 -- Dear Gov. Dean -- “I know the capacity … to make tyranny total in America”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=92335&mesg_id=94250


You are free to distribute these, and otherwise make use of the content within each letter, without having to contact me. If anyone would like a .pdf compilation of all the letters, just pm me with an email address and I'll send you a copy.


Peace.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #27
33. Post at Conyersblog.com:
Dear Congressman Conyers,

I hope you have seen the letter by Prof. Geoffrey R. Stone and his numerous Constitutional law expert colleagues:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x92335

I am urging everyone to send this letter to EVERY Member of Congress and to every person they know.

I hope you and Senator Boxer will read the letter on the floor of the House and the Senate, respectively, as to ensure C-SPAN coverage and insertion into the Congressional Record.

It is important that all the Senators involved in the Alito hearings read it and question Alito about it.

As I've stated to others, the issues in the letter transcend the partisan divide -- Bush, Cheney and their neoconster minions are outlaws. They must be stopped, impeached and prosecuted.

For Republicans that is the ONLY path they have to restoring legitimacy to their party.

For Americans, it is the only path we have toward saving the Republic.

Peace,
UL
http://www.conyersblog.us/archives/00000347.htm#comments
# 15


Spreading the message ...


Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:24 AM
Response to Reply #33
34. Similar message sent to Senator Boxer, in addition to thanking her, ...
... for her exceptional leadership on January 6, 2005.


Peace.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:44 PM
Response to Original message
4. FRONT PAGE!!!!!!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #4
23. I concur.
Front page or bust!
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:45 PM
Response to Original message
6. K&R
:dem:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:50 PM
Response to Original message
7. Wow - that's an impressive panel
of endorsees .. with damning evidence.

THANK YOU
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
53. how can the Corporate Media IGNORE this!!!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #7
65. nah,
they're just a focus group.

:sarcasm:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:52 PM
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8. NSA employees knew this.
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 07:37 PM by Gregorian
An ex-NSA employee posted as much as this on another forum a while back. He claimed that the employees knew they were breaking the law. He made it clear that they very well knew. I just didn't have the (what do you call them) facts, to back it up.

Well, now we do.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:56 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. ? ex-FISA or ex-NSA? One FISA judge resigned over it.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. I meant NSA.
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 07:38 PM by Gregorian
Oops.

This was someone who posts over at Daily KOS.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:55 PM
Response to Original message
9. Excellent. And: ignorance of the law is no excuse; nor is
outright contempt for it.


:thumbsup:
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:57 PM
Response to Original message
11. Great find, Thanks!
K&R
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 06:58 PM
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12. K & R - impeachment now!
Un-American traitors!
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jon strad Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:09 PM
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13. That is really great!
This looks to be a major step in nailing them to wall. Without any real justification or defense for their illegal actions offered, I think that there is (at this point, at least) a great chance for nailing them. Impeachment doesn't seem so unreasonable, especially when dealing the subject of domestic spying.
Oh, would any kind person out there please recommend this for me? Thanks!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Welcome to DU.
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:23 PM
Response to Original message
15. The Roanoke Times: Bush believes he is above the law
Bush believes he is above the law

by Theodore Fuller
on January 9, 2006

Fuller is a professor of sociology at Virginia Tech

Most of us who are old enough to remember Watergate remember that the key lesson from that crisis was that, in the United States, no one -- not even the president of the United States -- is above the law. President Bush's willful decision to approve spying on U.S. citizens without a court order indicates that he has forgotten that crucial lesson.

<clip>

This is not the first time that the Bush administration has asserted the president has broad powers that cannot be reviewed by any court.

<clip>

By the way, this president, who has such a cavalier attitude about the civil liberties of U.S. citizens, is the same president who facilitated the departure of 142 Saudi citizens, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, within days after Sept. 11, 2001 -- before the FBI had a chance to interview these Saudis to determine whether any of them had information that might lead to the apprehension of Osama bin Laden. I don't think the president broke the law in doing this; he merely exercised poor judgment in giving greater weight to the concerns of his friends, the Saudis, than he did to the national security interest of the United States.

<clip>

I urge both houses of Congress to immediately censure President Bush for abuse of power and further urge that the House of Representatives begin impeachment proceedings against President Bush.

More at the link:
http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary/wb/wb/xp-47626


Clear.


Peace.

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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:32 PM
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16. These are perilous times for our democracy.
I thank these men of stature for stating what needs to be stated. It is obvious that bush and company are setting the stage for a dictatorial state here in America through the courts and around the courts. I am convinced that they have no plans on relinquishing power at the end of shithead's term and are planning ways to circumvent our constitution in order to accomplish their ends.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:43 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. Agree. Here's the comment I posted to Prof. Stone at HuffPo:
Comments on the letter at DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x92335

It's time that every law abiding member of Congress grasp the fact that the Constitutional crisis Bush and the neoconsters have created requires definitive action -- Bush and Cheney must be impeached and prosecuted.

It is not a partisan issue.

Bush, Cheney and their neoconster minions are enemies of the Constitution, of America, and they are certainly not legitimate Republicans. They are outlaws.

Peace,
UL
Posted by: understandinglife on January 09, 2006 at 07:36pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-the-nsa-surveillance-_b_13522.html


We are short on time; law abiding Members of Congress must discard their partisan robes and act according to their sworn duties to the Constitution.


Peace.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:48 PM
Response to Original message
19. Senator Boxer got her answer
Put on your glove,
Put on your glove,

Once more Boxer getting into the ring.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 07:49 PM
Response to Original message
20. K&R, Bookmarked
THANKS
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:39 PM
Response to Original message
21. Wow, this is great information
:wow:

I hope and trust that Senator Boxer got information similar to this when she consulted the constitutional experts about impeachment.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #21
22. Just to be sure, I'm urging folk to send copies of this letter to her.
Peace.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:03 PM
Response to Original message
24. Now that is one seriously well-qualified panel n/t
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:28 PM
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25. kick
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carolinalady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 10:37 PM
Response to Original message
28. I love how they got the torture issue in there as well. n/t
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:16 PM
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29. Exactly
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:18 PM
Response to Original message
30. Ollie North's crowd wanted to 'suspend' the Constitution
Bush's Congress and Judiciary make this nightmare a distinct possibility.

BTW, Total Information Awareness has been outsourced/offshored/privatized to Ben H. Bell, IIIrd's company Global Information Group, Ltd., in the Bahamas.

The company utilizes ChoicePoint database information, notoriously errorprone and unsecure, to provide the 'intelligence' agencies data about you that can and will be used against you (without your knowledge or ability to correct said information) without recourse to a court of law.

The book Spychips

see www.spychips.com and article in Motherjones

and article Total Surveillance
www.motherjones.com/interview/2005/12/albrecht.html

shows us that RFIDs can be used to track just about anything. The budding background check preemployment requirement is now using error-filled database info to prevent people from getting work...

Who is checking the background checkers?
www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p13s02-wmgn.html

Now, I ask you, if they can track a pair of underware you bought from Wal-Mart, why oh why can't they track the kidney dialysis equipment OBL needs somewheres up in the Hindu Kush ? Just asking.





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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:45 PM
Response to Original message
31. yeah, well what do they know?





(just kidding!) :rofl:
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 11:51 PM
Response to Original message
32. SHAME! We Shall Shame Those Traitors Into Impeachment!
This is the best ammo we have gotten in years, I will be bitterly dissapointed if the bulk of the Dems don't use it... and I mean bitterly.

There is no choice but to impeach and every repub should be made keenly aware that his political life hangs in the balance. The Dems need to get out there and catapult this propaganda... no no scratch that, "Nuke 'em with truth!" instead.


:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:


(sorry for shouting)
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:28 AM
Response to Original message
35. Yes, but how does Harriet Meirs feel?
Bush better hope his buddy Sam Alito gets to the SC fast so he can exonerate him
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:12 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. If there was ever a time to filibuster...
This is it!!
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:18 AM
Response to Original message
37. Ah, those libruls are at it agin'!
No wonder Nixon hated those damn librul universities. :sarcasm:

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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:39 AM
Response to Original message
38. I just sent this to my rep. Jan Schakowsky
Hopefully she will help. K&R
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #38
40. I'd send this to my rep, but...
Dave Weldon would probably just ask his buddy Bush to tap my phones.
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yellowdogmi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #40
57. If she has my phones tapped
she will have to listen to the incessant drivel between my girlfriend and her associates. I wouldn't wish that on.... Wait a minute. Please tap my phones!
:evilgrin:
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:40 AM
Response to Original message
39. When will we rid ourselves of these treasonous bastards?
OMG. What will it take to stop these maniacal madmen?

Peace.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:36 AM
Response to Reply #39
41. My thoughts exactly.
Lying about a blow job threatens a presidency....ignoring the U.S. Constitution is merely an inconvenience.
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #39
43. I dont know, but every appointement the chimp makes is a nail in our
coffin.

I have never seen or heard of such an astounding case for impeachment on such serious charges and in so many ways. Those who say that impeachment is a pipe dream do not know the power of shame and guilt by association, or haven't considered the fact that the Dems could take the house this year. If the Dems take the house and there aren't articles of impeachment brought forth, I will consider democracy in America dead not just on life support like right now.... and thats no hyperbole!
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Cults4Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:36 AM
Response to Original message
42. This posts so nice I had to kick it twice! n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:21 AM
Response to Original message
44. Powerful stuff!
The so called liberal media should be reporting on this!
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:23 AM
Response to Original message
45. Solid list. (eom)
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:31 AM
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46. Send to Olbermann. nt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #46
50. That has been done. Thank you.
Peace.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
47. Impeach the Son of a Bush already nm
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:45 AM
Response to Original message
48. Dems MUST win House in 2006 & bring Articles of Impeachmnet
if Dems DO win back House and DON'T move to impeach, they have lost me FOREVER.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. THE ELECTIONS ARE CORRUPT! They can not win with the current system!
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:45 AM
Response to Original message
49. Care should be taken. We might not be in an officially
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 11:45 AM by olafvikingr
designated "free speech zone". Then again, if the Constitution is being tossed, guess they won't even need to bother with that.

Olafr
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:40 PM
Response to Original message
51. Kick and Snap!
:kick:
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:44 PM
Response to Original message
52. Shouldn't we send it to a Dem on the Judiciary Committee and
ask Alito to opine on it's conclusions?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. Done. Sent to House Judiciary Dem Legal Staff. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. Response: and forwarded it to the counsels that are handling this matter.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Super!!
Thank you.


Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. My pleasure. Another superb post UL! nt
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #52
55. Yes. I've been sending it to various folk urging that Senator's use ...
... it in their questioning of Alito. I hope many will do the same.

Thank you.


Peace.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
58.  Very clear
Sorry W -NOT.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:09 PM
Response to Original message
59. Comment at HuffPo: "The “Smoking Gun” Lie"
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 01:13 PM by understandinglife
GW Bush in 2004 in Buffalo NY said (exactly, and unedited):

Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution.”

GWBush April 20, 2004

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040420-2.html

Posted by: ArtShu on January 10, 2006 at 03:56am
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/geoffrey-r-stone/why-the-nsa-surveillance-_b_13522.html


Gotcha!!


Peace.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. I'm reading Risen's State of War and he talks about how they shield *
from knowing the truth (Risen was talking about torture) to protect him. Hmmh...but where does the buck stop? (or is it when does the _uck stop?)
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. All the "plausible deniability" and wink/wink stuff is what all these ...
... folk are going to find saves them from nothing. They are responsible and they will be held accountable -- and the one who is most responsible is Bush.


Peace.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:01 PM
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66. K&Rn/t
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:04 PM
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67. Specter investigation in Feb. to decide if lawa were broken by Bush.
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:33 PM
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68. KICKED!!! Now let's see if the law is still
enforceable in this country if crook is a con.
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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:43 PM
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69. Kicking all the way to the White House...!! n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:52 PM
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70. K & R - this is tremendously important. Let us not be complacent
enough to naively believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld would actually give up power under any circumstances. I recommend reading this fine DU essay from a few weeks back:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/05/12/03_splash.html
DU editorial title (12/3): "A Splash of Cold Water"

They are using multiple strategies to solidify their illegal hold on power. Crooked elections of course, but that is far from the only tactic.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:48 PM
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71. Rep Conyers -- "(Harvard Law Prof.) Larry Tribe on Spying: A Grave Abuse"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=101542&mesg_id=101542

This one is not going away, until Bush is brought to justice for his crimes.


Peace.
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