Will there be a mutiny in the military

[alfredo]

if bush/cheney/rumsfeld don't change course in Iraq and Iran?

When I say mutiny I mean open defiance up to and including a coup.


Add your thoughts on the repercussions if there is a mutiny.

The thought of it scares the crap out of me.

[hedgehog]

1. I can't answer that

I think we're already seeing the military and intelligence Establishments sending up an SOS to Congress to stop the Administration from getting us involved in a war that'll make this one look like a tea party. Going against Iran after going against Iraq is the difference between invading France c. 1940 and Nazi Germany.

[jwirr]

2. I also did not vote. I think the fact that there is a shortage

of officers and new enlistees is a revolt in itself. As long as there is not draft they can speak loudest by simply leaving the military.

[alfredo]

32. That is very alarming. Where will our leaders come from in

case we need experienced, battle tested leaders? How long will our military last at this rate? It isn't just Generals, Captains and Lt's are leaving. They are the next generation of leaders.

[panader0]

3. When 6 major military officers tell the pres that rummy should go........

It's never happened in my memory.

[alfredo]

5. I think they are a shot across the bow.

I think our society is way too polite to do such a thing. I hope congress acts before the military is put into a situation where they have to protect the military from the administration.

[BillZBubb]

4. No, for every general with sense and a conscience, there are

4 who are gung ho for war and 5 who will be "good Germans" and do as ordered.

In particular, I think the Air Force leadership is dying to get us into an air assault on Iran. They've been pretty much shut out of Iraq and so are out of the spotlight. They want to show that a bombing campaign alone can bring Iran to do the Chimperor's bidding. They are fools.

[cynatnite]

6. Do you have something to back that up with?

When it comes to Generals, they are a rare breed themselves. They spend their lives completely devoted to the military. Most have been in combat. Many have been wounded. They don't get their stars for nothing.

I can grant you one or two possibles in this group, but not as many as you believe. These generals have a deep abiding love for the men below them...especially the enlisted. They know the enlisted will do most of the bleeding and dying.

I was fortunate to meet many generals while in the Army and I can tell you without a doubt, they were incredible men who treated every enlisted person with respect. I also saw a few rip on some officers for their arrogance.

What we should worry about is who is getting the stars now under Rumseld's pentagon. I heard a general say, can't remember which, that the ones that get promoted are the 'yes' men. He said it didn't used to be that way.

[alfredo]

7. Rumsfeld is very hands on when deciding who gets

the stars.

Listen
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5338549

[cynatnite]

11. In the last sentence of my post I said that.

"there are 4 who are gung ho for war and 5 who will be "good Germans" and do as ordered"

What do you mean by 'good Germans'? Keep in mind I'm German and my father and his family immigrated from Germany. Plus have a strong understanding of the generals serving during Hitler's reign, too.

So, what's your source?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

18. I'm sorry, but that's total nonsense. You know nothing of the sort.

[BillZBubb]

29. Watch and learn.

[0007]

8. There's a good possibility if things don't shape up. Who indeed

knows?

Lots of secret meetings taking place where the people aren't included.

With a corporate media in control, we're left pretty much in the dark.

[alfredo]

10. I think if the Generals feel the suits in charge are out of touch with

reality (insane) they might do something. I don't think they would act if it was just corruption. You can reason with a corrupt person. If the person is insane, you are not going to talk them out of their insanity.

[0007]

26. I certainly see insanity and I'm far from the inside.

The proof is in the pudding my mother use to say!

[alfredo]

27. It's not just bush, ole rummy is mad as a March Hare.

The revelations about his hands on approach to torture reveals a very dark side to this man.

[moodforaday]

9. No. Maybe a few resignations

Maybe a few resignations, but not a full-scale mutiny. The attack, when it comes, will be from air (unmanned, perhaps?) and by special forces. So on the one hand you have a bunch of people in front of computer screens, and on the other you have a few bunches of hardened guys who will always do as they're told. A couple of generals might resign - if they dare endanger their retirement plans, and that will be it.

[alfredo]

12. An air campaign could spark a ground war with Iran.

Iran could do some serious damage to our forces in Iraq. Except for the Persian Gulf, Iraq is landlocked. If Iran cuts our access to the Persian Gulf, things could get really nasty. I don't think the Generals would want to risk that. We don't know what the Air Force is thinking.

[cynatnite]

13. Iran can also destabilize the region in it's effort to get at the US

They control three major terrorist organizations...hezbollah being one of them. Hezbollah was responsible for the Khobar Towers attack in Saudi Arabia.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/01/19/richard_clarke_on_iran.php

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=1798825&page=1

bush isn't known for being a detail man.

[benburch]

14. Unlikely.

And do you really want there to be?

Military dictatorships are *generally* no improvement.

[alfredo]

15. though I am sympathetic to their situation, I'd rather not have

them in control. Both the corporate culture and the military culture is dictatorial. We'd be trading a head ache for an upset stomach.

[Vidar]

16. I wish there were & feel the resignations are a mistake, leaving

shrub & rummy with all the guns.

[Breeze54]

17. Not until they come home and then there will be HELL to pay!! n/t

[alfredo]

19. They aren't coming home, we are there to stay. This is all

about a permanent presence in the region to control the oil. They want to ensure American companies get the oil fields or the contracts. That oil will be traded in Dollars, not Euros.

Read "American Theocracy" by Kevin Phillips.

[Breeze54]

20. I'll read it but I still think, they are coming home!....n/t

[alfredo]

23. I hope they do, but bush is building the world's biggest

embassy there. That doesn't look much like withdrawal to me.

[DearAbby]

21. I am in the "I donno" category

I am wondering if the affect of having 5 Generals come out and declare their no confidence in Rummy. If that would go through the ranks...could it be possible that there would be a mutiny with in the ranks...the dam being broken by these men, would it burst through the ranks?

[alfredo]

22. I'd like to see the 5 yr figures of reported cases of sabotage. That

would give a good indication of the discontent among the soldiers.

[saltpoint]

24. Rumsfeld does not enjoy the support of the military and is widely

perceived as aloof and arrogant.

Bush does not enjoy popular support for the commitment to Iraq.

The positive line on the chart is in precipitous downfall and the negative line is on a sharp upswing.

Critical mass is now, or soon, and so Rumsfeld will have to go.

Bush will have to have a siginificant "plus" event or his party will suffer a loss in one or both chambers of the Congress in November.

[Booster]

25. I voted no, but if Bush nukes Iran the radiation fallout, according

to an animation I saw on DU last week, would drift across Iraq and Afghanistan. I would think the powers that be in the military would or should be very concerned about our soldiers in those areas. Scumbags.

[alfredo]

28. Preemptive nuclear war against Iran would lead to our military

being kicked out of nearly every nation in the world. Our embassies would become charcoal and rubble. Nuking Iran would destroy America. What products we still produce will be boycotted, foreign suppliers of raw materials would sell elsewhere, and loans that are propping up our economy would dry up.

[Retired AF Dem]

30. "and loans that are propping up our economy would dry up. "

We already accomplished that by banning a Kuwait company from running any of our ports. The war on terrorism is BS but we can't let a Kuwait company run our ports because they support terrorism. No Hippocrates here.

[alfredo]

31. the bush family has strong financial ties to the Kuwaiti

royal family. I hope the Kuwaitis take their anger out on the BFEE, not on us.