Is bush "forcing God's Hand" by trying to bring on Armageddon?

[alfredo]

Has this question been asked? and can we make this an issue? Can we use this to drive a wedge between the Republicans and the Evangelicals?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. I think he's forcing Mother Earth's hand

by doing nothing about global warming. Frankly, if nothing is done soon, there could be a mass die off of humanity because of drastic climate change.

[Maraya1969]

2. Is there a Bible verse associated with that?

[alfredo]

6. I guess a good reading of Revelations might help.

[Democrats_win]

11. Revelations 11:18 "to bring to ruin those ruining the earth."

Here´s the whole passage in context: It involves the vision that the author of Revelations sees:


16 And the twenty-four elders who were seated before God upon their thrones fell upon their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying: “We thank you, Jehovah God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. 18 But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth.”

[sojourner]

3. that won't work...

i think they WANT armageddon. and according to them, it would appear, bush is the messiah leading the charge.

[Lerkfish]

5. If true, that would make the ANTICHRIST, not the messiah.

which I consider him an antichrist wannabe, frankly. or else he's the "beard" for the actual antichrist moving in the shadows.

If evangelicals were in fact...er...evangelical, they'd want MORE time to save MORE souls rather than trying to rush the deadline.

[sojourner]

16. well - now you're talking as though you think they are rational!

[tatertop]

18. Bush thinks he is the messiah and that's all that matters

His handlers tell him so and I am quite sure he rather
believes it true. Bad for us: his first
official messianic script will probably be "I am a vengeful God!"

[mntleo2]

7. Or The Anti-Christ...

I am not making this up.

The Whore of Babylon mentioned in Revelations one might consider as being Bush for the simple fact that he and all his rich buddies brought on an unnecessary war in ~ guess where ~ Babylon! Guess what for? Riches! They sold their souls to the devil and they are responsible for millions of people's lives being extinguished or ruined ~ for what? MONEY, money, money!

I call that being a whore ~ the whole Bush administration are whores for being willing to kill the soul of our country for their own riches and damn the rest of us. If my daughter acted like this, I would be in deep grief...and in a way I am feeling the same way, all right.

Cat In Seattle

[alfredo]

8. You might have something there. I guess I should hit the

"Good book."

[alfredo]

10. About the "whore of Babylon"

http://www.gotquestions.org/whore-Babylon-mystery.html


The beast in Revelation chapter 13 is understood to refer to the antichrist, the man of lawlessness (2 Thessalonians 2:3-4; Daniel 9:27). So, the whore of Babylon, whoever it is, is closely affiliated with the antichrist.

[sojourner]

19. if i believed that there was such a thing - and i don't - i'd say b* was

the antichrist. i think babylon is interpreted as being the institutions of "religion" that have corrupted mankind and their worship in order to enrich themselves (this would likley include the likes of pat robertson, as well as sun-myung moon, etc.)

that's why the merchants and the leaders of the earth mourn her passing - not only she enrich herself, but she brought them riches as well.

[alfredo]

24. The Whore had seven heads. Rome had seven hills. It is not about

the end of the earth, it is about the struggle against an occupying force.



Revelation 17:15 tells us, “Then the angel said to me, "The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages.” The whore of Babylon will have great worldwide influence, over people and nations. Verses 10-14 describe a series of eight and then ten kings who affiliate with the beast. The whore of Babylon will at one time have control over these kings (Revelation 17:18), but at some point the kings will turn on her and destroy her (Revelation 17:16).
http://www.gotquestions.org/whore-Babylon-mystery.html

[EstimatedProphet]

9. That's why it should work

They clearly do want armageddon. But is does say ing the Bible (someone will need to help me with the verse) that no man can know the time of the second coming-it is up to God. Therefore, by trying to bring it on themselves, they are not doing the work of God, but of the Anti-Christ.

Which we all knew already, let's be honest.

[sojourner]

15. i think they'll tell you that he's just fulfilling prophecy...that it's

not really up to him. (conveniently gets b* off the hook for responsibility AND saves them from the need to think).

[EstimatedProphet]

27. Oh, that's exactly what they do say

But the more obvious they make it, the more obvious it will be to the rest of the evangelical community, and Christianity in general, that their master is Satan.

[alfredo]

31. So if he is seen as the Herald of God or the Anti Christ it is all

the same to them. He is doing God's work.

[EstimatedProphet]

32. Now that's a scary thought indeed

Fundies that think that Bush is the next coming of Christ WOULD STILL FOLLOW HIM if he is shown to be the Anti-Christ, because that would still bring on Armageddon! Is there any better proof that these people are evil than that?

[alfredo]

33. They have given up on life. They see the problems too overwhelming

so they retreat into a mass suicide mode.

Or is it, "if you don't do it my way I will take my bat and ball home."

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[seabeyond]

12. i had a fundamentalist teacher from son's christian private school

imply... they were helping rapture along.

i gasped and asked, and if it isnt the end of times, arent you leaving us all a huge ass mess to clean up?

[BiggJawn]

13. He may well think he is.

Me personally, what I believe is that if he is successful in igniting "Armageddon", when they get to the part when the trumpets are supposed to sound, and Jeebus comes down with his "Host of Hosts", the silence is gonna be quite disappointing for these end-times idiots.

[alfredo]

23. Our job is to prevent him from making even more of a mess

I don't want the world covered with radioactive rubble to prove our point.

[BiggJawn]

28. Me neither.

These people are crazy, but they've got a great PR machine going in that if anyone speaks up against their craziness, they cry "Christian Bash!" and the smoke-screen rolls on and on...

[leftofthedial]

14. he's trying to make the fundies think he is

but it's really his venal, corrupt policies that are pushing us to the brink.

[tatertop]

20. I think he truly believes he has a Devine mission

A messianic vision that compels him to do 'great
but terrible things' so that prophecy may be fulfilled.

[Monkey see Monkey Do]

17. An unelected President trying to bring about an imaginary event by

making stuff up. Man, what a sorry state of affairs.

[ChickMagic]

21. Well, Tim LeHaye is one of his "close advisors"

So I imagine he's being pumped full of Left Behind
garbage.

[Marie26]

26. Is that true?

I sure hope not. Is there an article about that?

[ChickMagic]

29. This article claims they aren't close

but I have read others that Junior consults
with end timers before he makes any policy about
Israel in particular.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4988491/

Which is where Bush the Younger enters the scene. He and LaHaye aren't close, but they go way back. By the late 1980s, Bush and Karl Rove had decided that the key to establishing "Junior's" political base in Texas was to reach out to evangelical Christians. Conveniently enough, Bush's job in his father's 1988 campaign was to focus on those voters nationally. A key leader in that constituency was Falwell, who was for Vice President Bush; LaHaye went with Jack Kemp, but was eased out of that camp for some anti-Roman Catholic statements he'd made. The Bush campaign took LaHaye in, inviting him to an event at the veep's home. "I'm pretty sure I introduced Tim to George W," Falwell says.

[Marie26]

30. So, they've met

But I think there is a big difference between knowing LaFaye & actually using him as a spiritual advisor. It seems like Rove was treating the "end-timers" as just another special interest group that needed to be pandered to. I'm always wondering how much of Bush's "religion" is real & how much is for show. It could be that this whole "end times" thing is mostly just show for his fundamentalist base. Who knows what he really believes.

[alfredo]

34. If his actions are anywhere typical of the believer,

then their religion is totally bankrupt.

[Marie26]

35. I agree. nt

[alfredo]

36. Good, or my vengeful God would make your hair turn green

and your lawn brown.

[katty]

22. ? has been asked..scoffed+hissed at by alot elite libs

[alfredo]

25. But how can we use bush's Messianic self image

to our advantage?