So Basically Bush is a Stupid Idiot and Rove is His Evil Puppeteer

[Dr. Jones]

Last night I watched Bush's Brain on DVD. Three things I got out of the film:

1) Bush was a blank slate - a stupid idiot who didn't know a damn thing about the way government works.

2) Rove is his evil genious who trained Bush in everything. Rove even apparently bragged about being able to pull strings in the FBI and Justice Department.

3) Rove met Bush Senior early on during the Nixon years - these guys have been hanging out together for a long, long time - planning for their day in the sun.

Has there been a Presidency so evil as this one? Has there been a political opportunist so evil and destructive as Karl Rove? Have we ever had a President who was basically an alcoholic, brain-dead, goof-off, can't even communicate kind of guy? I"ve never seen anything like it!

[RufusEarl]

1. Yes we have!

We've had bad presidents in the past, but none this obvious. I read an article awhile back and it had a quote from Kkk Rove, he stated that when he found GW Bush "that he found a man he could make president of the USA"

It had nothing to do with Bush's qualities as a politician, or his abilities to govern or to make good policy. Rove just thought he could make the guy president.

Not the qualities we want in a president, if you ask me.

[Mr_Spock]

2. Yes.

Evil puppetmaster Rove controls the mindless Bush.

Have you seen the cartoon where Rove is the man in the control booth and he is controlling the powerful "wizard of Oz" (Bush) ?

[napi21]

3. Well, I can't remember anything about Lee Atwater, but I heard

Rove was his protege' and taught Rove most of the tactics he now uses. As far as the opportunist part, I can't recall any former Presidents haveing total control of all branches of Gov't, thus giving him the opportunity to say and do all the arrogant, selfserving, and damaging things Shrub has been able to get away with for 5 1/2 years!

[Thirtieschild]

9. Lee Atwater = Willie Horton

[Chomp]

4. I don't really buy the "evil" line

I think it's more a mixture of incompetance, ideological/political zealotry, corruption, ignorance and fear.

[Mr_Spock]

5. I think all the needless killing has necessitated the "evil" moniker

How else can one explain the needless deaths of tens of thousands of innocent people at the hands of this administration?

[Dr. Jones]

6. Mostly, however -

Rove is extremely competent. He is known by many as an "evil genius." The problem is he uses the dirtiest of tricks and hammers the opposition so hard in unethical, even illegal ways, it's not even funny. He has, in the past, thought nothing of fabricating lies to land his political opponents in jail and cause his opponents embarassment, ridicule, and death to their careers.

[neoblues]

11. Depends on your definition of "Evil"...

For instance, your description with the added notations of intolerance, promoting hatred, lying, hurting people, destroying lives and waging wars of choice, profiting from the death (in a sense, murder) and destruction... adds up to "Evil" to me. I don't happen to believe in "Evil" of the sort one would find in the Bible; it doesn't exist as such. However, reprehensibly hateful, harmful, callous, careless attitudes along with the needless, casual causing of hurt, pain, destruction and death--especially of innocents and especially in the pursuit of greed or power... well, that's sufficiently 'evil' enough to use the word evil.

[Warpy]

12. You forgot ruthlessnness

You can get a lot of mileage out of that one. When you reject all social controls you open up a whole world of possibilities and Atwater's dirty tricks are only the beginning.

That's what makes this gang so dangerous.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. You got that right, mister...

[neoblues]

8. Yet he almost got re-elected!

Almost half the voters apparently voted for the guy, and that was even after it was plainly evident that he was scarcely more functional than an imbecile (my apologies for insulting imbeciles everywhere). Of course I said almost re-elected and almost half the vote due to the electoral fraud that was perpetrated (probably by Rove) on the people. Still, the fact that he got close to half the voters (allowing the 5-10% electronic vote shifting to work) is most disturbing...

Even being constantly misinformed by the Corporate media and having Religious Ecstasy at presumably having "one of their own" in the Presidency is no excuse. His performance spoke for itself. It was inarguably incompetent and murderously evil. Alas, this has probably permanently affected my automatic response to people in general--I know, now, that there is a high probability that half of everyone I come into contact with is either one of Bush's fellow imbeciles or they inexcusably ignorant or insanely easily manipulated--but only by sources that shouldn't be trusted. It's hard knowing that so many people are so... well, stupid, but it's disturbing to think that they're likely to also have the characteristics of intolerance, hate, anger and are accepting of war/American imperialism, torture and so on. They are the new Republicans--freed of any redeeming qualities of proper "conservatives".

Be that as it may, this is the quitessential "nightmare" President/Administration. We, The People need a more usable mechanism by which to demand the removal of a President that turns out to be dangerously unstable, irrational and/or incompetent. We need the power to call for a public referendum calling for the dismissal of any President AND his VP while holding an emergency election for interim President. A vote of "no confidence" as it were, for I certainly have "no confidence" in this one--and they are too bad, too damaging to be allowed to complete their terms. Alas, once elected, unless they break a serious law and we have a balanced Congress at the same time, we're stuck with them. We shouldn't be. We desperately need to not be, but we are.

[realFedUp]

10. Bush has been in the middle of everything.

No one should paint Bush as mindless...he's
as evil as his minions are.

[npincus]

13. He is a dangerous, destructive stupid idiot- read this:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/interviews/2006/3314justin_frank.html

Excerpt from recent interview with Dr. Justin Miller, pyschoanalyst, psychiatry profesor and author of 'Bush on The Couch":

One of the things that happens with a person like Bush, is that he becomes a compulsive and congenital liar. And lying is a complicated thing also, in that, as a liar like he is, he believes what he says is true. He lies ultimately to himself. So, when he said the other day that he never made a link between Saddam Hussein and 9/11, and that he never made a link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, and that he doesn't know where people get these ideas, it makes me think he believes it when he says that, and that's what's very disturbing. It's as disturbing as if he were just a basic liar.

Nixon was just a liar. This guy believes his lies. Nixon, you could see, would be nervous and anxious when he lied. Bush is anxious when he's caught in a lie, directly and immediately, but less so when he just simply makes things up if he is not under pressure. For instance, when somebody asked him if he knew Jack Abramoff, he freezes, and says, "I never met him." And clearly there are pictures of him with each of Abramoff's children, and he used to talk to them about their bar mitzvahs and various things. And the same thing he did when asked if he knew Ken Lay, the CEO of Enron. He quipped, "Kenny Who?" In my book I call that reaction of total denial laced with feigned surprise the "Kenny Who? Defense" (KWD).

But, when he lies, it's very specific and matter-of-fact (I should call it matter of fiction.) He makes a simple statement, and he believes what he is saying to be totally true. So, his sense of certainty serves him well, and is part of his ability to be convincing. A lot of people used to confuse that for strength of character, but actually it's a defect in his character. His need for certainty is so great, that he cannot, ever, doubt himself. So, whatever he is saying at the moment, is what he feels he's always felt.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. Channel flipping the other day, I came across KKKarl giving a

speech and I forced myself to stay there and watch it.

It was astonishing.

Everything he said sounded like Bush. The sound-bites. The phrases. The individual words. The way it was put together. The way it was delivered. Every bit of it, with the one exception that he didn't stumble over common words, and sounded as if he actually knew what he was saying.

Seeing that, for the first time, I was sure that it wasn't him sounding like Bush, because of using the same arguments and key phrases. It's Bush sounding like Rove, mimicking him -- and when the chimp throws in his little "let me explain it to you like you were five" "ya see?", he is making a direct quote from Rove's explanation to him, when he says "Uh, Karl, whassat mean?"

I'm sure that's why KKKarl makes relatively few public appearances -- he knows that people will see that * is merely parroting him, which can only hurt his presidency (Rove's, not *'s).

[Roland99]

15. I've a sticker on my window: Bush Without Rove is an Empty Sock