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redstateblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:29 AM
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Just got my natural gas bill- I'm still in shock
Normally it's $100-125 this time of year. The bill I got yesterday is $350. What's the excuse for price gouging gonna be?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:32 AM
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1. Excuse?
Why do they need an excuse? They just bend you over and ram it in without foreplay.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:00 AM
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21. No kidding. You aren't seriously expecting an excuse, are you?
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:32 AM
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2. My guess is they'll ignore the issue completely
If the MSM doesn't bring it up, does it exist? Not to them, it doesn't. That's why we need to stoke these feelings of outrage until after the first week of November. Make 'em pay where it counts - the ballot box.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:33 AM
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3. I know, we need more tax cuts for the wealthy and you will get trickled on
:shrug: Ain't Republicanism wonderful?
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:43 AM
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10. all the while with all the trickling going on my clothes are all wet
and it sure is hard to stay warm in wet clothes.
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ScotTissue Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:34 AM
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4. Not in shock, but
only because they have been talking about higher natural gas prices coming this winter for a long time.

My Dec bill, normally 150 or so is 230.
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:40 AM
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8. Mine is normally 170 or so . . .
. . . now it is 270. And I've turned back the thermostat five degrees, both day and night. My poor next door neighbor had hers shut off for a while, but thankfully some of us helped her out, and now she has level payments subsidized my a couple charities.

Yeah, let's spend some more money killing Muslims, Georgie. Everything's just great in Murika.

:grr:
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:18 AM
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39. That's About What We Saw
Not quite as high, but about 40% higher than last winter. And inflation is only 2.1% Yeah right! Sure is convenient that treasury doesn't count direct energy costs in the inflation value, isn't it?
The Professor
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:34 AM
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5. My bill for Dec was more than double last year's Dec
Ouch
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:35 AM
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6. Same here
Usually it's only $150 during the coldest months of winter. This year it was $287 for Nov., and it wasn't that cold in Atlanta. I'm freaking out about the bill for Jan. At this rate it will be $400/month.

A heated home is on the verge of becoming the domain of the rich.



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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:42 AM
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9. But, you should be
pleased and proud that you can contribute to the war effort in this way--by helping those energy multinationals feather their nest even further(while you freeze in yours)! What's a little hypothermia when compared to the "noble mission"? SG :evilgrin:
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Lumily Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:55 AM
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18. I'm in the Metro area too.
We got our bill Saturday. Last year (November/December) , our bill was $121. This year our bill is $263, and we keep our thermostat on 65.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:00 AM
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37. I live northwest of Atlanta in a mobile home.
And fortunately, I have not had to turn on my furnace yet. I have been staying toasty warm with 2 space heaters. My last electric bill was $91.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:40 AM
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7. We use wood pellets and have been since '92 been buying them
for 145 bucks a ton until about a month ago, 250 now. plus an inferior product. Damn
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:00 AM
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20. Question. Wood pellets?
What do you burn them in? How much do you use (per avg.) per month? I'm going to assume it's delivered to your door, but how's it packaged and how/where do you store the pellets?

Sorry, I'm totally ignorant about this, but very curious. It sounds intriguing.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:29 AM
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30. Here is a link to the model we just purchased last month
We bought our first one in '92 on a hunch it would be cheaper that propane or electric and a whole lot less messy. Well it proved out to our happiness. We use on average of 2 tons a winter that up to a month ago went for around $150 a ton, they just went up to $250 a ton. I've bought pellets from most all big stores. Feed stores are a good source usually. The come in forty pound plastic bags. Very little waste, hardly any mess. I might get a 5 gallon bucket of ashes for the whole winter. We stack ours for storage in our shop/game building. I have left them out in the weather and just kept the plastic bag over them before to. Theres a lot of different brands from prices of 1200 to 4500 bucks. I take questions ok
There are also one that will burn corn, or a mixture even models to replace you present forced air furnace.
good luck.


http://www.lennoxhearthproducts.com/products/overview.asp?pid=202
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:36 AM
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31. Thanks! I'll check it out. n/t
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:44 AM
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11. In Ohio they talked about a 46% increase from last year, about the same
everywhere, right? So I don't understand at all why people are getting gas bills more than double what last year's cost was.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:44 AM
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12. excuses?
We don't need no steenkin' excuses!
When ya hire PetroCorp to run the country.. you've bought the ticket for the big Screw You ride!
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:46 AM
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13. I'm lucky.
My apartment is small enough for a cheap little space heater to be effective on it's own. Before I got it, though my bill was $270. And that was just for the a/c in September. I can't imagine what the gas would be if I were using it.
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:47 AM
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14. I beat you---not that I am happy----mine was $376 this month
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:54 AM by MoJoWorkin
To be more correct, $310 of the bill total was natural gas, the rest was electric water and sewer.

I have a modest 3 br ranch in SW MO. I don't know what we are all going to do. I have had my thermostat set for 65 at nite, and 67 during the day. I am cold all the time.

Oh yes, I have two peak utility bills for summer and winter---never had been over $240. Some bills when neither air or heat have to be used have been as low as $60, in the past.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:48 AM
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15. Me too. I have a new furnace which is supposedly more efficient
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 09:52 AM by MindPilot
And they say I used 29% less than I did over the same period last year. But my bill is over 300 bucks...well over double the year before.

The gas company says their "average cost per therm" is $0.99 this month. It was $0.77 the same period last year. Thats roughly 20% increase; how did that translate into 110% increase in my bill?

Why do they want to watch us freeze to death in the dark?


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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:52 AM
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16. you've got THAT right- my bill
(gas portion only) was $235- combined with electric it was almost $400! Last year it was $235-$250 average. I live in a small carriage house- we don't even put the heat on on our top floor (bedroom).

What fucking rosy economy? Everything is a lot more fucking expensive- 'quality of life' for middle class and under is worse than ever.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:53 AM
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17. mine was 325, i was esatic. i had worked in my brain would hit 500
lol lol so felt almost low, until i realized how much 325 is. and, it has been especially warm, 70', 60, and a few days lower, where i really needed heat.

bend over, time to be good and properly...... well, you know. my niece and all around me are saying how crude i am becoming. asked to be f*ed time and again puts me in a crude kinda mood. cant help it.
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:58 AM
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19. mine was $486
Well over 100 from what it was the year before. I have a four-bedroom house in northern NJ but it's not all that large--2000 square feet or so. And I keep the thermostat at 65.

I was complaining about this to a friend who works for a public power district. She said the prices will be less next month because they were lowered "at the wellhead," whatever that means. She's in the midwest. I don't know if this applies nationally or just to people in the midwest.

I lowered my thermostat to 63 for the month and we've been lucky with way warmer temperatures.

I've had the utility company in to do tests for how air tight the house is and they said it was one of the most air tight houses they'd seen. I also put in new windows about four years ago. We actually prefer it cool, so the 65 or even 63 is no biggie to us.

In spring, I am going to buy a fireplace unit so I can make use of some of the firewood around here. I may even convert it to a soapstone fireplace. I also am purchasing some econo-heaters, as posters here think they work well.


Cher

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:03 AM
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22. Ouch
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 10:06 AM by Marie26
Sorry to hear that. Makes me glad I have electricity! When I was spending time up North for the holidays, almost everybody's house was just freezing - no one can afford to keep the thermostat high. And I just don't know how low-income people are going to manage this winter.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:06 AM
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23. I have some answers to that
There are a couple of people in my neighborhood who couldn't pay the high costs. They waited until they got shutoff notices on their doors and then went to the CAC and the Salvation Army for help. I also know quite a few people who qualified for HEAP but it won't barely pay for a month of natural gas this winter. After those options run out I don't know what they'll do.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:08 AM
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24. u wont be honored with an "excuse"
or an explanation or an apology...or anything at all....and remember...it has just started. It will not get better, it will get worse. AS demand exceeds supply...and as supply dwindles...as it will become so expensive that u will have to just learn to do without. I believe that from now on, we...all of us little folks...are just on our own when it comes to personal survival. I say start with going to; your army surplus store...and buying up as many of the wool army blankets as you can..they will start going fast...and they will keep you from freezing to death...and they are cheap. Sorry to be so pessimistic.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:12 AM
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26. I think you're right
I had friends scoff at me when I got a woodburner this year and we hunted our own food (deer). Now they're getting the first $400 gas bills and wondering how the hell they're going to survive.
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:09 AM
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25. It's been 40 up here and I'm rejoicing in the global warming.
Seriously, I can't imagine what this winter would have been like if it had been subzero every day.

Our bill was $300 a month *last year* and so we put in a woodstove, which actually allowed us to see our bills go down for a few months, holding about steady now... but we keep our house at 55 at night and 63 during the day.
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spun_in_montana Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:15 AM
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28. We put in a woodstove too
in anticipation of rising bills, the woodstove did keep the bill at last years level but with the added cost of firewood, its turning out to be a wash. At least that global warming thing is working for us here in ol Montana...
spun and spinning
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Theres-a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:21 AM
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40. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:13 AM
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27. $275 here in moderate Raleigh NC. I'm dreading it when it
gets really cold.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:48 AM
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45. $289 here in Richmond.
I am also dreading it when it gets really cold.

Electric bill was $326.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:26 AM
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29. 30% lower usage and $30 higher bill--$205
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 10:34 AM by mnhtnbb
Last year we replaced our OLD pilot always on furnace with an energy efficient one, to the tune of $4,000!. Our gas bill showed 30% lower usage for the same number of days in Dec as the previous year, same average temperature, and the bill was $30 higher! However, both Progress Energy and Piedmont Natural Gas in NC have received approval to LOWER their rates from the State! I'll believe it when I see it in the bill.

We're in Chapel Hill. Our Dec bill was $205. for a 3000 sq ft house, average outside temp 52 degrees. We keep the thermostat at 68 daytime and down to 64 at night.
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bigscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:37 AM
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32. i got one for you
Yankee Gas in CT asked the DPUC for a rate increase because - get this - consumer conservation has caused a decrease in usage and therefore a decrease in PROFITS - so they want a rate increase!!!

I use heating oil - thermo on 58 at night/when i am at work, 62 when i am home. my MONTHLY oil bill (budgeted) is 235.00 Electric is separate!
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 07:14 AM
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42. OMG! People are freezing, so we better charge even more??
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:39 AM
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33. Seems like we might be looking over the edge of the cliff.

THE NORTH AMERICAN NATURAL GAS "CLIFF"

More than 275 North American gas-fired electrical generation plants are planned to begin operations through 2006, up from 158 a year ago, which would increase gas consumption by more than 8.5 tcf!

Unlike oil, natural gas cannot easily be shipped by sea. It must be liquefied prior to shipment, and then shipped in specially designed refrigerated ships destined for specially equipped ports, and then re-gasified for distribution -- at an estimated 15 to 30 percent energy loss. Moreover, natural gas cannot be easily stored like oil or coal.

Campbell says that gas production is better described as a "plateau" followed by a "cliff" due to the high mobility and recovery of gas. Under declining pressure, oil declines slowly as it moves through the porespace of the rocks, but the decline of gas is a cliff -- not a slope. The gas market gives no warning of the cliff because it is no more expensive to produce the last cubic foot than the first. North American production is at or near (< 10 years) its "cliff" now:

"North American natural gas has no excess capacity. It disappeared several years ago. What we do have is extremely aggressive decline rates in almost every key production basin making it harder each season to keep current production flat.

"The electricity business has also run out of almost all existing generating capacity, whether this capacity is a coal-fired plant, a nuclear plant or a dam. The electricity business has already responded to this shortage. Orders for a massive number of natural gas-fired plants have already been placed. But these new gas plants require an unbelievable amount of natural gas.The supply is simply not there." (ENERGY IN THE NEW ECONOMY: The Limits to Growth, Matt Simmons)

http://www.dieoff.org/synopsis.htm



The next gas crisis
by ANDREW NIKIFORUK
If you thought the worst was over, get ready. Demand is up, supply is dwindling, and new finds are scarce. Here's how to hedge against the price hikes to come
2001-08-20

If, like the vast majority of Canadians, you are dependent on natural gas to heat your home, ponder this thermostat-shattering truth for a moment. The largest natural gas find in Western Canada in the past 25 years is now playing out in a marshy area of northeastern BC near the Alberta border. Some analysts expect the Ladyfern field to gush about a trillion cubic feet (tcf) of natural gas, which to a layman's ear might sound like a lot of burning power. But Ladyfern probably contains just enough fuel to heat all the gas-fired homes in Canada for a year or two at most. And it's a clear freak of nature. A typical new gas well, in fact, produces barely enough gas to heat 90,000 homes for a year.

Now add some more disturbing math to this natural gas picture. Canada now produces 6.2 tcf of gas a year, which just barely meets domestic and export demand. That represents about one-fifth of North America's gas consumption, which is still growing by 2% a year thanks to gas-fired electrical generation. "We need 6.2 Ladyferns a year to just keep up with gas consumption and stand still," explains Rob Woronuk, 60, a veteran Calgary gas analyst and one of the nation's independent natural gas watchdogs. "The really scary part is that we are finding a Ladyfern only every 25 years."

Anyway you look at it, the glory days of cheap natural gas at $1.50 a gigajoule are over. Even though Canadian politicians may not be fretting as dramatically as President George W. Bush about future energy supplies and prices, they probably should be. Despite the stabilization of gas prices at about $4 a gigajoule (that's double the decade average), Canadian companies still can't find enough gas to keep.

The whole demand-supply situation is so vulnerable that a major hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico or a terrorist attack, say, on the Alliance pipeline, which runs from northern BC through Alberta to Chicago, could abruptly send natural gas prices soaring back to the rude and shocking heights they reached last winter: US$10 a gigajoule. "Everything is in a crunch and has to be working 100%. We can't even afford too many plant turnarounds," says Woronuk. "We are in a dangerous situation."

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article.jsp?content=37081



Running on Empty
North America is low on natural gas supplies. What are we doing about it?

2004-04-26

Don't blink, but natural gas is well on its way to becoming a hotter and scarcer commodity than cod in North America. Just consider, for example, the geopolitical implications of the US$2.7-billion purchase of Tom Brown Inc., a mid-size Denver-based energy company, by EnCana Corp., now Canada's largest gas producer. The acquisition not only offers EnCana president and CEO Gwyn Morgan fertile political connections (the former CEO of Brown, Donald Evans, is now the U.S. secretary of commerce), but also a healthy natural gas base, including 3,200 potential drilling sites in the West. And why is that important? Well, the National Petroleum Council in Washington, D.C., a veritable who's who of the continental oilpatch, has identified deep Rocky Mountain drilling as just one of several potential solutions to rapid natural gas depletion--or as the NPC politely puts it, "undesirable impacts on consumers and the economy."

Though EnCana's U.S. purchase is a savvy business catch in the short term, it probably won't mean much in the bigger scheme of things. "It's not going to solve our natural gas supply issues," says Rob Woronuk, a senior analyst with the Canadian Gas Potential Committee, an independent resource assessment body in Calgary. And those issues, no matter where you look, are becoming messier by the minute. "One of the sad realities is that North America is natural gas impoverished," notes Woronuk. "We may be the Saudi Arabia of coal, but not gas."

And that's a conclusion shared by a number of prognosticators these days, as natural gas prices remain stubbornly high with little relief in sight. Let's start with the National Petroleum Council. Last September, it calculated that natural gas shortages had the potential to cost the American economy nearly US$1 trillion over the next 20 years if governments don't act now to conserve the disappearing staple or flatten demand. In fact, the U.S. Department of Energy now predicts that North American demand will outstrip supply by two trillion cubic feet by 2010, and that the gap could grow to almost five trillion cubic feet by 2020. In other words, North America will likely become dependent on gas imports from Russia or the Middle East within a decade.

Dave Hughes, a geologist with Natural Resources Canada, not only seconds that assessment, but adds that "Canada is unlikely to be able to fill the supply gap." He predicts that the country might even fail to meet its own forecast needs (demand is now growing by 2.2% a year) or U.S. export expectations after 2004--unless consumers switch fuels or big industrial burners such as fertilizer and petrochemical plants move offshore.

http://www.canadianbusiness.com/article.jsp?content=20040426_59516_59516
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:52 AM
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34. This month's utility bill (gas/elec/water) $610 (gas $455)....Thank God
its been a very mild winter-just pray that keeps up.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 10:57 AM
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35. Do you own your house?
If so, then there are numerous things that you can do to alleviate these high prices. But an external wood furnace. Put up a coupld of kilowatts worth of solar panels. Insulate, insulate, insulate.

If you don't own your own place, then you are at the mercy of your landlord, who probably doesn't give a shit since it is you who pays the utility bills. I would then suggest that if you can, buy a house ASAP, even if it a mobile home. Then you will have the latitude to do the actions mentioned above.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:00 AM
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36. In other good news, they are expecting further rate increases in Jan&Feb
At least that's what my friendly customer service representative told me when I asked. We went from roughly 80 cents per therm to well over $1.00 per therm already.
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Marleyb Donating Member (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:15 AM
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38. hey, the execs have to eat too....
sheeesh

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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:22 AM
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41. We've been very lucky so far
The winter has been very mild, warmer than average, we are on an average billing plan and so far our payment hasn't went up. I was dreading opening the gas bill last month expecting a 50% increase that I've read about.
Wonders of wonders it was the same ammount as always 73.18, I feel like we're dodging an artillery shell, not a bullet, especially when I read these threads.

The warmer winter has helped and I keep the thermostat lower, but I'm worried about this summer. I hope it's not going to be a scorcher, heat takes more of a toll than the cold, and, it costs us more to stay comfortable in the summer.
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bdot Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:08 AM
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43. Mine for December shot up to $104 which is less than last year this time.
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 08:10 AM by bdot
But then I live next to Raleigh NC.
Electric bill was $32.94.
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:46 AM
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44. And notice they did that during December
the Christmas, er ah HOLIDAY season when people are using more hot water, doing more cooking and are home to have the heater running more than any other time of year.
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