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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:41 AM
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Psychiatric experts found to have financial links to drugmakers
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Psychiatric experts found to have financial links to drugmakers
All who worked with mood and psychotic disorders had such ties
Shankar Vedantam, Washington Post

Thursday, April 20, 2006

Every psychiatric expert involved in writing the standard diagnostic criteria for disorders such as depression and schizophrenia has had financial ties to drug companies that sell medications for those illnesses, a new analysis has found.

Of the 170 experts who contributed to the manual that defines disorders ranging from personality problems to drug addiction, more than half had such ties, including 100 percent of the experts who served on work groups on mood disorders such as depression and psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia. The analysis did not reveal the extent of their relationships with industry ties or whether they preceded or followed their work on the manual.

"I don't think the public is aware of how egregious the financial ties are in the field of psychiatry," said Lisa Cosgrove, a clinical psychologist at the University of Massachusetts in Boston, who is publishing her analysis today in the peer-reviewed journal Psychotherapy and Psychosomatics.

The new analysis comes as debate grows over the rising use of medication as the primary or sole treatment for many psychiatric disorders, a trend driven in part by definitions of mental disorders in the psychiatric manual.

Cosgrove said she began her research after discovering that five of six panel members studying whether certain premenstrual problems were a psychiatric disorder had ties to Eli Lilly & Co., which was seeking to market Prozac to treat that very problem. The process of defining such disorders is far from scientific, Cosgrove added: "You would be dismayed at how political the process can be."

The American Psychiatric Association, which publishes the guidelines in its bible of disorders known as the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, said it was planning to require disclosure of the financial ties of experts who write the next edition of the manual, due around 2011. The manual carries vast influence over the practice of psychiatry in the United States and worldwide.

Darrel Regier, director of the association's division of research, argued that concerns over disclosure were a relatively recent phenomenon, which may be why the last edition, published in 1994, did not note them.

Both Regier and John Kane, an expert on schizophrenia who worked on the last edition, agreed with the need for transparency, but said financial ties with industry should not undermine public confidence in the conclusions of its experts. Kane has been a consultant to drug companies including Abbott Laboratories, Eli Lilly & Co., Janssen and Pfizer.

"It shouldn't be assumed there is a true conflict of interest," said Kane, who said his panel's conclusions were driven only by science. "To me, a conflict of interest implies that someone's judgment is going to be influenced by this relationship, and that is not necessarily the case."

Steven Sharfstein, president of the American Psychiatric Association, said Wednesday that the presence of experts with ties to companies on the manual's expert panels was understandable, given that many of the top experts in the field are involved in drug research.

"I am not surprised that the key people who participate have these kinds of relationships," he said. "They are the major researchers in the field and are very much on the cutting edge and will have some kind of relationship -- but there should be full disclosure."
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:42 AM
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1. I'm shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!
You mean my restless leg syndrom is BS?
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:44 AM
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2. Cue that Tom Cruise interview...
"You don't know the history of psychiatry like I do."

But seriously, anyone surprised by this is naive.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:15 AM
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5. a broken clock is right twice a day, a cult based on a bad science fiction
paper back.. that couldn't even be made into a comic book.. isn't a footnote of any kind.

having said that there is some interesting parts of 'die'anetics..

my friend and i went to Portland, 1000 mile trip, to visit his father he hadn't seen in 24 years. we went to town and were looking around and he ran into a sexy little 19 year old that snuggled up to him and we ended up at a Scientology Center.. where he took the initial training.. he said that during the final session he astral projected up out of his chair and the trainer was already floating above his body.. he said several of the other trainers and other people were out of their bodies in the astral at the time, the trainer nodded and they both descended back into their bodies.

the trainer then took him out into the hall and showed him a long list of celebrities and wealthy people and said they all were members of Scientology and for just signing a contract for $5000 he could learn the secrets of their success..

he said he was really reeling and confused from the experience but declined the Very Hard Sell.. Randy was a hustler himself and done time in Quentin.

the experience really shook him, that they were using mysticism to rip people off.. but the story gets very much stranger..

he gave them a fake name and address...he was just trying to get laid.. 3 days later he gets a letter from them at his father house addressed to him from the SciFiCult...!!!!!!

there are other stories about these people no one would believe..:hide:
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:16 AM
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6. Oh, I believe it
But the important question is, did he get laid?
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 10:04 AM
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8. not by the funny book people, we ran into a group called Rebirth America,
i ended up living in Portland for 2 years.. the rebirth people were wonderful the ones i happened to fall in with had a philosophy of free love, they were influenced by Dr Wilhelm Reich, who came to the United States with a cure for cancer and was put in a Federal Prison and murdered in his locked cell, he had a theory that if you didn't have a good sexual event every 4 days you started 'Armoring' or preparing not to have sex and this messed you up.. something my wife got a real laugh out of.. but not as good a laugh as when i showed up for bed with only a pair of mayfly wings on,i had made and told her if i didn't get layed in 24 hours i'd die... that didn't work either.

Rebirth America was a Wonderful system, based on pranayama. i had an out of the body experience that totally changed my life..that was in 1978 the system very valid. there were a lot of people with fatal health conditions that were cured with this technique, it 'hyper saturates your body with oxygen'..i believe that there are functions of the brain that only work at higher O2 levels.. it is the practice of breathing in fast 1/2 and breathing out as slow as is comfortable.. 1...7...21 the system involved learning the process and using the ODE to go back to your birth and them work your way back event by event over several years ..seeing the big traumas in your life that messed you up for what they were and learning to live in the present uneffected by the past or worry about the future.

everybody that practiced this system quit smoking/drinking they were all healthy, Positive and open minded.. i miss them
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:47 AM
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3. i am taking wellbutrin to stop smoking. heart doctor asked if doing
anything. i told him no... i am happy not depressed so dont feel anythng there, and not doing anything about the smoking. he said, i didnt think so. i ask, it doesnt do anything. he says on very very few. well why do they act like it does i ask. for the money

good doctor. good reputation

first time a doctor has taken that position with drugs. i respected him all the more.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 09:42 AM
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7. check out these links, 130 Strattera deaths in 1 month/many children,>LINK
http://www.laleva.org/eng/2006/01/eli_lillys_and_christopher_gillbergs_failed_experiment_with_strattera.html

http://www.ritalindeath.com/Strattera.htm

http://www.ritalindeath.com/Strattera-Suicide.htm

http://www.laleva.org/eng/2006/03/eli_lillys_strattera_130_reports_of_suicidality_in_one_month.html

http://www.rickgiombetti.blogspot.com/2004/04/recycled-drugs-alliance-for-human.html

i was given strattera without any tests for ADHD, i fell into a hallucination of a dark hopeless world of corpses, i knew i would have to leave but there was no place where there was no death and rotting corpses.. i began to make plans to just go sit under a tree someplace and die when the end happened, i am 57
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:54 AM
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4. Why doesn't this surprise me?

Seems to me that since Bush got in office we never hear much about DRUG ENFORCEMENT.

I thought he was to be tough on crime.

He is touch alright,he makes it easier for his buddies to get more $$'s by any means necessary.


A shame, thanks for the post.
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