Just made a Freaker "crap" her pants.

[maxrandb]

To be fair, I don't know if she posts on Freaker RepuKKKe - lic, but she is most definitely a Bushbot.

You might know that I'm active duty military. Anyway, went out to lunch and was just going to pick up some Kung Pao Shrimp at my favorite chinese place. While I'm waiting for my food, an older lady (about 50-55) came in and started talking to me. She asked if I knew of a AAA office, and I told her where it was.

She looked at my uniform and said; "can I just tell you, my husband and I, we just love the military and our troops, we think you guys are great and we really support you...we're Republicans of course"

I smiled at her and said; "that's nice, I happen to be a Democrat". She sputtered and stammered a little bit, then she said; "well I just love our President and first lady and we thank God for them".

At that point I asked if she had children. She said yes, a son and a daughter. I couldn't resist, so I asked; "Where are they stationed?"

She looked down at her feet and said; "oh, they're not in the military, they go to school"

At that point her table was ready and she left. The whole time I was waiting for my food, I would catch her looking at me sheepishly while she slurped her Won-ton soup.

I saw her get up to go to the restroom, and I can't help but think, I may have caused her some indigestion.

You would be surprised. Freakers and Bushbots see me in my uniform and assume I'm a knuckle-dragging wing-nut, just like they are. It gives me great pleasure to ensure they know that I'm a Democrat, and I'm serving my country. They don't know how to respond, other than to change the subject, or run away.

[eallen]

1. ROTDLMAO! Good for you.

[DS1]

2. They don't crap their pants, they "Code Brown"

I wish I were kidding

[AnneD]

46. Ahhhh

the classic Nursing euphemism:evilgrin: GOP talk the talk but they don't walk the walk. While their sons and daughters get their educations (and deferments), the DEMs are cleaning up the mess-as usual.

[blm]

50. HAHAHAHAH.... thanks for that - and thanks for the story, maxrandb.

.

[YDogg]

136. Gives new meaning to "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job!"

:hide:

[Beaverhausen]

3. Excellent!

:patriot:

[fearthem]

4. Are there many more like you?

What a pompus woman!

[stanwyck]

93. My son is another

(Marine with two tours in Iraq - one more to go. Or..maybe more.)
He's approached all the time by well-wishers. That's great. But those who start the whole "why does the media never tell the good news from over there?" aren't ready for his answer. Because there really isn't much good news. And there's a lot of bad you never even see.

[xchrom]

5. who says you aren't the best!?!

that pretty much rocks!

[DeaconBlues]

6. Should of had an enlistment form for her children!

Thank you for your service.

[skypilot]

7. "...we're Republicans of course"

Yes, of course.

Only a Republican would be so damned presumptuous.

[Ian David]

41. "Our kids are in college. We're Republican, of course..."

They "support our troops" the same way they support their favorite NASCAR driver.

They buy stickers to put on their cars.

And only the working-class actually have to buy tickets to watch the war on TV.

The rich get a tax-cut!

[Ganja Ninja]

8. 10 to 1 she lied about her kids being in school. n/t

[SeattleVet]

Reform School?

Did her minivan have a bumper sticker proudly proclaiming "My child is a trustee at State"?

[Joe Chi Minh]

70. She meant doing post-graduate studies, I thought, when I read it.

[EstimatedProphet]

9. Good for you! Shake them up some!

[BlueEyedSon]

10. Thank you for your service! Today you have to be a total idiot to still

support the GOP.

[TAPat]

11. Right On, Man!

:hippie: & :patriot:

[ronnykmarshall]

12. Maybe her Won-ton soup was a little spicy.

NAAAWWWWW!

You made homegirl go poo-poo pants!

:yourock:

[tjwash]

13. "Where are they stationed?"

:yourock:

I don't cast votes for greatest page very often, but you just got one from me.

[Joe Chi Minh]

71. ditto

[waiting for hope]

14. Fantastic!

That sentiment goes hand in hand with the idea that being democrat means you do not have any "Family Values" or religion. Thank you and please keep spreading the word.....:yourock:

[XemaSab]

15. Another day on the front lines serving your country!

[0007]

16. Thanks Max. anymore stories ya have please send 'em in.

[formercia]

17. "Where are they stationed?"

Not for people like us, she should have said.....

I'd like to know how to make dembots....



in Canada, people are born Liberal.....

[Virginian]

78. That was an excellent line. I hope every Dem in uniform uses it. n/t

[Minnesota Libra]

18. GOOD FOR YOU and THANK YOU for your service. I love asking.............

....neocons/fundies where they or their kids are serving:applause: when they get started on the military. Like you, I find it shuts them down quick. :hide: :rofl: :blush: :rofl:

:patriot: In my view you are the true :patriot:

[Joe Chi Minh]

74. The truth hurts'em. It's hell.

[ElboRuum]

19. I wish I could think that way...

I mean, really. The world would really seem a lot easier to deal with if I could put everybody in a box like these people do. You are in uniform, ergo, Republican. But that's what being Republican is all about: rigid adherence to the rules of the club. The rules state that everybody who is "A" does this, does that, and believes in this. Everybody who is "B" does this, does that, and believes in the other. "We are type "A" and we think type "B" is atrocious and inhuman."... blah, blah, blah. Nevermind that a person who is "B" could have some "A" beliefs or do some of "A"'s this or that. That's not allowed. That's type "C" and type "A" hates them even more than type "B" because their presence is both confusing and contradicts their simplistic understanding of the universe.

Interestingly enough, while "A" may think it diametrically opposes the "B" it claims exists, they're probably similar in more ways than different. "C" diametrically opposes "A" much better because apparently, "C" stands for "counterexample", the easiest way to refute the truth of a theory.

[vickitulsa]

45. Fascinating analysis! "simplistic understanding of the universe" indeed.

And your post hit precisely on the theme of an "epiphany" I had a little while ago, regarding the reasons why the Bush White House is having such a difficult time dealing with the freefall in popularity this administration is suffering.

It just suddenly occurred to me that even with Rove still on board and operating (for now), and even with mostly the same staff and cabinet he's had all along, Dubya is hindered from responding in any effective way to his rapidly declining fortunes. And why is that? I believe it is because of his SIMPLEMINDED WORLDVIEW~!

Rigid behavior such as you described almost always indicates maladaptive (and often disastrous) choices and responses to external events. And Dubya is nothing if not rigid. His simplistic, overtly pious view of the world gives him only so much ammunition, only a limited number of ways to approach problems. He has what some shrinks would call a "limited behavioral repertoire."

So he keeps making stupid mistakes over and over again, and that's become obvious by now even to most citizens who supported him at one time, I think. He has no good explanation to offer even to those who voted for him because he sees life in such a basic way. Since his way is not working anymore, he has no idea what to do -- he keeps doing the same things wrong, expecting different results, and we all know what that indicates....

I figure that if Dubya had served only one term, he might have made it out of there without bumbling so much, continuing to use lies and coverups to keep his fan base in the dark about his actual ineptitude. Since his minions stole the 2004 election for him, however, he is rapidly running out of ways to use lies to cover his lies ... it's that old saw about the tangled web he has woven when he first practiced to deceive.

Anyway, thanks, ElboRuum, for your excellent summary of the sort of attitude that is now crippling this pResident -- and probably a great many of his supporters.

[maxrandb]

57. I Wish I had been a bit quicker on my feet

When she said; "we just love our president and the first lady, and thank God for them"

I should have just said; "WHY"????

- Because he's so honest?
- Because he served so gallantly in Vietman?
- Because his twins enlisted and are on the front lines in Iraq?
- Because he's such a good public speaker?
- Because he's such a great businessman?
- Because he finally sobered up at age 45?
- Because he hasn't had a DUI in over 20 years?
- Because he's done so much for veterans health care and benefits?
- Because he's secured the borders?
- Because he's a uniter?
- Because he's such a "deciderer"?
- Because he has such respect for human life?
- Because he's improved America's image all over the world?
- Because teachers are now getting beheaded in the classrooms in Iraq? (brings new meaning to education reform doesn't it?)

or is it simply because he gave you an extra $300 in the form of a tax-cut?


I mean really, why should you thank God for this?

It's irritating, and I blame the media and the other Repuke enablers. She assumed that because I'm in the military, I must be a Repuke. For 20 years, the media and the Repukes have portrayed the Democrats as ones that "loath the military", and the Dems have allowed them to get away with it.

[ElboRuum]

96. This part sickens me...

"For 20 years, the media and the Repukes have portrayed the Democrats as ones that "loath the military", and the Dems have allowed them to get away with it."

This is true... and it is tragic.

[Arkansas Granny]

106. One reason they love him and thank God for his is because

they believe he is a Christian like he claims to be. I don't know how they justify their belief in consideration of his behavior, but they do.

[sojourner]

140. i believe your simple, pointed question was the PERFECT response...

it got through the haze of repug self-righteousness that allows these clones to continue in their delusional world. you may just have saved a soul, max!

[tularetom]

20. You done good

I have a similar conversation with my freeper son in law every thanksgiving and christmas. He never served, and can't get over the fact that a vet like myself would oppose * and the repub misadministration. I told him, you're 47, in reasonably good shape, with law enforcement experience, they'd take you in a heartbeat. He has a lot of excuses all of them lame.

[ElboRuum]

34. I'm curious...

Why do you think he's so supportive of Republicans, Shrub, etc. and why do you suppose he just assumes that vets would naturally be Republicans? Granted, the Republican party has become the party of "if it's troublesome, blow it up", but I guess I'm kind of curious where he got the confusion that Dem means anti-war (in all or most cases) or that vets should naturally be pro-war (in all or most cases) and therefore Republican...

Funny, most vets I have the occasion to talk to have a very circumspect view of warfare... I guess that having been there gives you a perspective not easy to recreate in any other way.

[Ezlivin]

21. Now say all that while cleaning your sidearm

From a veteran who's also a Dem. (And his veteran wife, also a Dem.)

Civilians can be so much fun!

[spindrifter]

22. Thanks!

That made my day. I know just the campus ROTC office that would like to see the woman's kids--they can do both--go to school AND serve.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Here! Make copies of this and when a freeper approaches you, give them one

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf

:yourock: That was GREAT! You did good, maxrandb!:thumbsup:

[zulchzulu]

24. High five to you, brother!

That is classic. It would actually make a great commercial for Democrats if done correctly... and thanks for your service.

[Cleetus]

25. outFUCKINstanding

God Bless You. Perfect. Just perfect.

Stay Safe..

[Crankie Avalon]

26. I'm happy I clicked on your thread...

...congratulations and many thanks. :yourock:

[One_of_8]

27. Thank you!

both for your service, and for your comments to that woman. It always boggles my mind to find that many Republicans really believe they are the only ones who "support" our troops, or serve in the military. I loved your last line to her. Sadly, my sister could be that woman. She and her husband are firmly Republican, and far-right religious. They have four children, all of an age to serve in the military, but not a one of them has even participated in ROTC. However, they "fully support the troops" and Bush, and think the invasion/war in Iraq was the right thing to do. They just don't want their kids involved.

[babylonsister]

28. Most excellent! You made my day! nt

[klook]

29. Excellent!

Blowing tiny shrivelled minds, one at a time.

I think this is my favorite DU post of the week, and that's saying a lot.

:yourock:

[seabeyond]

30. thank you thank you thank you

thank you for military. thnak you for military and democrat. and thank you for military, democrat and speaking out. lol lol

i have 8 stickers on my car. none ugle, none attack all positive, but obviously liberal. and when i drive past someone that has a military sticker or a my son is in military, i feel a little bit bad, becasue i dont want to cause and anger or added stress in a situation that they may feel, with a child in war. nice to remember that they may not support bus and the war, and really see my posters as a way of helping their son or daughter. or i hope anyway

[butterfly77]

31. This should happen more often...

I wish I could have been there to catch her expression on camera. These people really don't think for themselves, they really believe that all or most soldiers are Republicons!

[Inland]

32. Should have gone on and on about college $ for signing up!! nt

[Pool Hall Ace]

I would love to know how Mr. & Mrs. Bushbot are supporting the troops.

She looked at my uniform and said; "can I just tell you, my husband and I, we just love the military and our troops, we think you guys are great and we really support you...we're Republicans of course"

I mean, are they purchasing body armor, or magnetic ribbons?

[bullwinkle428]

94. Bushbotic strategery for "supporting the troops":

1) smear Democrats
2) uhhhhhh.....still working on that...

[knitter4democracy]

33. Rock on!

Thank you for doing that and then telling us about it. It's been a hard day, and that made me smile.

Oh, and go Browns! :D

[sinkingfeeling]

35. You sly fox! "Where are they stationed?". Way to go!!

[mindfulNJ]

36. heehee!

Absolutely priceless! Thanks for sharing:)

[vickitulsa]

37. Wow, and I'll bet some of your other "encounters" with people

so presumptuous and pompous have had a sharper edge to them, too! Would LOVE to hear more of your stories.

Seems to me you're doing a greater service to your country, in a way, by "educating" people like you just did that Repug lady than all the military duties you have, ya think? At least it's surely adding a LOT to your service when you can wake up a few of our fine citizens along the way.

I have a large circle of vet friends, but they are mostly Vietnam vets, and they weren't even able to wear their uniforms on the street or in restaurants without being mocked and spit upon when they returned from duty incountry -- I'm sure you know all about that. It does my heart so much good to see that you can walk about in your uniform now and be respected affectionately by almost all types these days. Right? Please tell me it's so! Most of the active duty folks I know (sons and daughters of my Nam vet pals, usually) seem to be having mostly good experiences among civilians.

I sure hope that doesn't change as the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan grow ever more unpopular.... (Why does everyone seem to keep forgetting there's a huge mess we've made in Afghanistan, too, btw?)

GOODONYAMATE! for spanking that old gal's rear. :) I wanna hear about MORE of your experiences along these lines. You just made my day in a big way.

:bounce: :toast:

[madmom]

38. I have only one problem with your story.....

50-55 is NOT OLD!!!!!:hi: :loveya: :hug: :yourock: :patriot:

[theHandpuppet]

129. Whew! Thanks!

I was feeling as if I'd crumble to dust at any moment. :D

[WhoseMarie]

133. Ditto!

I was about to post exactly the same thing!

'Course I'm 51 and I never had kids. I never developed 'mommy bones'.

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. Heheh. Good one!

[wicket]

40. That's awesome! Thanks for sharing

Made my day :D :hug:

[evlbstrd]

42. I'm a veteran, and people assume I'm Republican.

I had one person yell at me, "How can you NOT be Republican?"

[B Calm]

67. Republicans are so full of shit it's coming out their ears! The military

I was in was full of average guys and gals from hard working blue collar families. I would say the vast majority of them are democrats! Most young men and women in the military don't even bother to vote. If the truth was known how people in the military voted, the cons would be shocked!

[maxrandb]

79. It hasn't changed

Most of the regular military, Non-Com and below, is from blue collar, union, hard working, go to church on Sunday middle class to lower middle class and poor families.

Some of the officer ranks are fairly "wing-nutty", but you still have quite a few officers, myself included, that would call themselves Democrats.

It's a perception thing. The repukes have told the lie that Democrats "loathe the military" for so long, it's become an accepted stereotype.

Most of us, and I don't mean to speak for all of the military, simply want a government we can be proud of.

[Joe Chi Minh]

73. You could have said (though you're probably like most of us and

only think of these things afterwards): "I want body armour, vehicle armour, and to serve with your own sons and daughters, then I might, just might look upon you as equals of the Democrats. But probably not - though it would be a start."

[evlbstrd]

83. My answer was this:

Unlike you, I have a conscience.

[Joe Chi Minh]

126. Well said! You can't beat that for conciseness.

[evlbstrd]

105. This person was engaged to an officer serving in Iraq.

When I met him, I shook his hand and told him I want them all back home, safe and sound.

[Left Is Write]

84. Someone asked me that once...

I worked for a DoD contractor at the time - 1988, during the presidential campaign. I was working with one of our subcontractors, and he assumed that I would be voted for George H.W. Bush. When I told him I did not support Bush and that I would vote Democrat, he was shocked and appalled. When I told him my father (a programmer/analyst for the same company) was also a Democrat, he got downright angry.

"The Democrats are trying to put us out of work! How can you not vote for Bush? How can you not be a Republican?"

I said I'd rather put the war industry out of business and be out of a job than vote for Bush.


(ETA - of course I thought his whole "put us out of work" thing was hysterical hyperbole anyway. There was plenty of peacetime work for us.)

[evlbstrd]

101. Sadly, there's plenty of defense work, now.

[theHandpuppet]

130. Just tell them the facts!

... that you prefer belonging to a party which truly reflects the military man, not the corporations who use them as fodder in their global money-grubbing games.

Maybe they should be reminded that it's DEMOCRATS such as Robert Kerrey and Daniel Inouye who have received the Congressional Medal of Honor. Or that John Murtha and Max Cleland, outspoken critics of the Iraq war, are combat veterans. Or that both John Kerry and Al Gore, unlike draft dodging Bush, volunteered and served in Vietnam.


Yes, they'd rather vote for a pampered draft dodger than actual combat veterans. Maybe that's the question to ask them -- WHY?

[myrna minx]

43. You rock!

:yourock:

[NoAmericanTaliban]

44. Wish I could have seen her face. You Rock!

You just exposed her for as a war mongering chicken hawk.

[11 Bravo]

47. Lock and load!

Nicely done, and subtle to boot. I'll bet she never even felt the knife until it slipped between her ribs.

[maxrandb]

59. It's a military skill

You learn how to tell people to "go to hell", and have them smile and get on their way!

[Sydnie]

90. I always heard that about the Irish ...

Having the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them look forward to the trip!

(being Irish, I always thought that was a plus!)

Good for you. You were quick on your feet and gave her quite a bit to think about everytime she see someone in a uniform from this day forward.

[nookiemonster]

104. LOL. Better yet, they ask for directions!

:)

n/t

[11 Bravo]

110. Roger that. I would have been court-martialed ...

on more than one occasion had certain officers been able to read between the lines as I saluted in a sharp, precise, military fashion. I could never get over the fact that some LTs did not understand that being rendered a salute, even when we were inside the wire, was the same as pointing and shouting, "Shoot HIM, he's the fucking officer!"

[WhoseMarie]

135. Tanks, Y'all!

GREAT JOB! And thank you for all you do!

I grew up in the south, but have left that world long ago. I was once, for a *short time, a tour guide. My boss told me I was the best at telling people to go to hell - and they left charmed and thanking me for the pleasure of my company.

(*note: The tourist business got on my nerves so badly that I was soon considering a clocktower and weapon, so I got out of that bidness.)

[democrank]

48. This made my day.

Thank you for your service.

Your "Where are they stationed?" question was priceless.

[movie_girl99]

49. that is so great kudos to you n/t

[Caoimhe]

51. Thanks max you just made my day!

I wish I could have seen her face!

[RobertSeattle]

52. Would be great to read this to her

Why my military service made me a Democrat
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/4/19/12428/4131

[Radio_Guy]

53. Good job

Glad to see you stand up for yourself. I hate that those in the military are stereotyped as freepers. May I ask where are you stationed?

[caligirl]

54. My husband was always a democrat, not easy in the MC but he

was one of the few that never bought the brain washing rhetoric.

[DemoTex]

55. Lady, the only support our troops really appreciate is fire support!

Right 20, drop 20, fire-for-effect!

[Catherine Vincent]

56. You did great.

And you should have said "well of course I'm a Democrat" like she said with being a republican. As if supporting the troops automatically makes you a republican. I don't know why repukes assume all of the military are bush loving repukes.

:patriot:

[Brewman_Jax]

58. Well done!

:thumbsup:

In my experience, the people that I know who are veterans (self included) tend to vote democratic. My veteran brother is a liberarian, and my veteran father is a freeper. All of the freepers I know vote republican and not one veteran. Go figure. :shrug:

[indie_voter]

60. Thank you for your service and BRAVO! n/t

[mconvente]

61. This about sums it up...

"They "support our troops" the same way they support their favorite NASCAR driver.

They buy stickers to put on their cars."

All you need to say...

[Joe Chi Minh]

88. A good comparison, but I think those Republican chicken-hawks

are more like a woman with a good bet on a particular cock in a cock fight. Neither she nor her family get to spill their own blood, but she stands to make a bundle. 'Cep she wins, even if the cock she bet on is killed. What George Soros called a win/win situation.

Nice one Ms Republican! Especially when you even get to reproach the "avian protection squad" for not supporting your late fighting-cock protege. Wow. You are AWESOME!

[Joe Chi Minh]

138. They make Ernie Bilko seem like Duane Dobermann. Con

artists of the first water.

[underpants]

62. Hmm a Democrat in a CHINESE place

what do you know about missile technology?

[Tsiyu]

63. You made my day

:patriot:


:yourock:

[Clark2008]

64. LOL - my hubby gets this a lot, too.

He's a veteran of the US Army and is a card-carrying "New England Liberal."

Good story. I'll have to tell him about this.

Oh - and you're the DUer who loves the Who, aren't you? Pete Townshend sends me holiday cards every year. :)

[stanwyck]

91. So does my son, Marine with two tours

in Iraq and one more to go. People assume he's a Bushbot. He voted for Kerry.
Republicans think they own the military.
And yet...the Bushies haven't released how the military voted during the last election.
If it was good news for them, we'd know.

[glitch]

65. Sweet! You had your dessert before dinner and 0 calories. Perfect K & R nt

[helderheid]

66. GOOD ON YA!

K & R!

[Aristus]

68. Good for you, max.

That's why I cherish my Gulf War medals; I love to see the look on peoples' faces when they learn I'm a liberal Democrat AND a Gulf War vet.

Way to go! B-)

[roguevalley]

69. BWAHA! This is great. By the way, darling, thank you for your

service. :)

[proud patriot]

72. chuckle

:-)

thanks again for your service :patriot:

[newspeak]

77. all you have to do is look at the military service of these

chickenhawks compared to those who valiantly served their country: Kerry, Carter, McClellan, McGovern, JFK and many others--my daughter is in the military and she votes democratic and she believes in and protects the Constitution of the United States of America.

[Harry Monroe]

123. Service Records, Democrats vs. Republican Politicians

Service records of politicians:

Democrats:
* Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71.
* David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72.
* Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72.
* Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army
journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade.
* Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam.
* Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII.
* John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V,
Purple Hearts.
* Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea.
* Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam.
Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress.
* Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53.
* Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74.
* Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
* Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign
ribbons.
* Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and
Soldier's Medal.
* Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and
Legion of Merit.
* Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart.
* Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze
Star with Combat V.
* Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star.
* Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
* Chuck Robb: Vietnam
* Howell Heflin: Silver Star
* George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII.
* Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but
received #311.
* Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
* Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
* John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters.
* Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul
Wallenberg.

Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
* Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
* Dennis Hastert: did not serve.
* Tom Delay: did not serve.
* Roy Blunt: did not serve.
* Bill Frist: did not serve.
* Mitch McConnell: did not serve.
* Rick Santorum: did not serve.
* Trent Lott: did not serve.
* John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business.
* Jeb Bush: did not serve.
* Karl Rove: did not serve.
* Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." The man who attacked Max
Cleland's patriotism.
* Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve.
* Vin Weber: did not serve.
* Richard Perle: did not serve.
* Douglas Feith: did not serve.
* Eliot Abrams: did not serve.
* Richard Shelby: did not serve.
* Jon! Kyl: did not serve.
* Tim Hutchison: did not serve.
* Christopher Cox: did not serve.
* Newt Gingrich: did not serve.
* Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor.
* George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got
assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for
U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from
duty.
* Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non- combat role making
movies.
* B-1 Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea.
* Phil Gramm: did not serve.
* John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit,
Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
* Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve.
* John M. McHugh: did not serve.
* JC Watts: did not serve.
* Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem," although continued in NFL for
8 years as quarterback.
* Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard.
* Rudy Giuliani: did not serve.
* George Pataki: did not serve.
* Spencer Abraham: did not serve.
* John Engler: did not serve.
* Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer.
* Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base.

Pundits & Preachers
* Sean Hannity: did not serve.
* Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
* Bill O'Reilly: did not serve.
* Michael Savage: did not serve.
* George Will: did not serve.
* Chris Matthews: did not serve.
* Paul Gigot: did not serve.
* Bill Bennett: did not serve.
* Pat Buchanan: did not serve.
* John Wayne: did not serve.
* Bill Kristol: did not serve.
* Kenneth Starr: did not serve.
* Antonin Scalia: did not serve.
* Clarence Thomas: did not serve.
* Ralph Reed: did not serve.
* Michael Medved: did not serve.
* Charlie Daniels: did not serve.
* Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot
back.)

[yorkiemommie1]

75. ' where are they stationed ?'

PERFECTO! got right to the point, esp. not knowing how much time you had to converse w/ her.

three years into the war none of the chickenhawks i know have kids who enlisted.

best wishes to you!

[newspeak]

85. she's actually stationed in S. Korea

been there for about a year and a half. She's a flight medic.

[progressoid]

76. And a big K & R for you!!! They need a little indigestion.

[fortyfeetunder]

80. Smackdown!!

You've set a proud example for our DUers in uniform. I am proud of you.

What I liked best is you didn't have to say much, but you did get your point across.

[enigmatic]

81. that's a great story

And good for you; I grew up in Clevo and am still a live and die Cleveland Browns fanatic, so I love your avatar too:thumbsup:

[maxrandb]

82. Being a Cleveland Browns fan is kind of like being a Democrat

You know what they need to do to win. They get so close, and then...instead of responding quickly to John Elway, they allow him to march 92 yards down the field in the final minutes for a tying score and lose in overtime.

When does the suffering of the Cleveland sports fans (and I mean Browns, Indians, Cavaliers) end??

My kingdom for a Super Bowl...that city would implode (but in a good way)

I've from Columbus by the way. We could either go south for the Bungles, or north for the Brown, well I always considered myself a northerner.

Hey, at least we've got the Buckeyes.

[OzarkDem]

100. Go, Bucks!

Good job, your comment was great!

[riona]

86. Good for you

Somehow these bushbots think think they have a monopoly on patriotism, morality, mom, apple pie and the American Flag. You gave her a good jolt out of her smug little world.
:bounce:

[Maat]

87. This is SUPERB!

:yourock:

[pnorman]

89. Here's an old news item that would mesh with that:

Parent-trap snares recruiters
The tune changes at some homes when they hear 'sign here'

Thursday, August 11, 2005
By Jack Kelly, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Staff Sgt. Jason Rivera, 26, a Marine recruiter in Pittsburgh, went to the home of a high school student who had expressed interest in joining the Marine Reserve to talk to his parents.

It was a large home in a well-to-do suburb north of the city. Two American flags adorned the yard. The prospect's mom greeted him wearing an American flag T-shirt.

"I want you to know we support you," she gushed.

Rivera soon reached the limits of her support.

"Military service isn't for our son. It isn't for our kind of people," she told him.
>
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http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05223/552161.stm

pnorman

[Perky]

92. HEE-Hee I do the same thing with the Fundies.

I catch them equating Christianity with the GOP and start politely hammering them.


Do you think Jesus loves everybody equally? Of course.
SO he died for Democrats as well as Republican could go to Heaven... Well yse
Does He call on us to love everyone equally? Yes

Ok so if Jesus makes no such ditinctions. Why would you?

If our first call is to evangelize, why would you want to ostracize half of the people you want top reach by beating them over the head with political divisions that make little difference to Jesus.

They rarely take the bait....but it is sooo much fun to watch them squirm.

[BrklynLiberal]

95. A million and one kudos and thanks for your service!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :hug: :hug: :hug: :hug: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[maveric]

97. FANTASTIC! Perhaps she'll step out of the box...

and see things a bit clearer.
Thank you for your service and for laying the SMACKDOWN!

[DaveColorado]

98. Props dude

[pacalo]

99. Priceless. Absolutely perfect response.

[Stinky The Clown]

102. Hoooo baby! That's one hell of a story! K&R

[YankeyMCC]

103. Thanks

:thumbsup:

[Brazenly Liberal]

107. Thank you and thank you

You served your country in more than one way today.

:yourock:

[Ksec]

108. I believe most soldiers identify with Democrats

If you laid out all the issues , I believe most would identify with our side. I dont know why some believe the repukes are better for the military. Especially after the past 6 years and how bush has abused them.

[B Calm]

127. I live behind the Hoosier Iron Curtain, (Freeper Land). All my

neighbors on my rural country road vote for (cheap labor) cons. Absolutely none of them were ever in the military. I'm pretty sure I'm the only vet for miles around. They do have a young guy running for County Sheriff who parades his military service very boldly on his campaign literature, so much so it's freakin' hilarious..

[screembloodymurder]

109. Great Question

I almost wish I had a uniform.

[Olney Blue]

111. Kicked and recommended.

:patriot:

[Cobalt Violet]

112. Thanks for sharing.

It's about the only time I have smiled today. Thank you for your service and reminding the wing-nuts just who it is serving.

[tabasco]

113. Hooah Bro! I luv ya even if you are a Browns fan!

What a stupid thing for the dumbass to say. It just shows how delusional the 33% really is.

They think everyone in the military is republican and loves Bush. :rofl:

I guess that's what OxyLimbaugh tells them. :dunce:

[Raine]

114. "Of course"

that's the kind of shit that pisses me off more than anything, HOW DARE THEY, stupid SHIT for BRAINS!!!! :nuke:

[Autonomy]

115. ROFL

omfg i would give a week's pay just to have seen that. so classic!

[WildEyedLiberal]

116. AWESOME post - and thank you for your service

You didn't even get annoyed with her - your response was pitch perfect. A salute for you! :patriot:

[fishwax]

117. good story

:thumbsup:

[American Tragedy]

118. How outrageously presumptuous. Good for you, maxrandb

:kick:

[Toucano]

119. Bravo! n/t

[Lexingtonian]

120. Great job, dude! Keep it up. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

121. How in the hell can ANYONE thank ANY God for George Bush?

Thank you for you story and for speaking the truth. It's good to make the Earth wobble a bit underneath the feet of these wack jobs.

I will NEVER understand comments like the one this lady made. How in the world can anyone be thankful to GOD for George Bush? What exactly are they thankful for? The lie-based war? All of the killings? The horrendous injuries? The innocent Iraqis who have been killed in a senseless war? Our damaged environment? The high price of gas? Our crappy standing in the world? The rejected Soc Sec plan? Our unprecedented national debt? The lies? The corruption? The scandals? The indictments? The illegal wiretapping? The failure of No Child Left Behind? The vote stealing? The fact that he wipes his butt with the Constitution every morning after he swigs down a fifth of vodka?

I don't get it!!! I just don't get it!!

What are these apes so thankful for???

[malmapus]

122. HUAH! It's been said already..GREAT JOB BRO!

No worries about what you said earlier about wishing you were quicker on your feet, you said enough right there to get those rusted cogs in that melon of hers to maybe crack a bit and start to turn.

[leftynyc]

124. What a great story!!!

I loved your response about where her children were serving.
Thanks for your service and keep safe.

[opihimoimoi]

125. They haven't figured out Nationalism is outdated and counter productive

of the WHOLE......yet?

Not even 101 stuff,,,,

[republicansarewhores]

128. Do you know your Republican Chickenhawks?

The Real "Deck of Death"

From http://www.chickenhawkcards.com

RAW

[opihimoimoi]

139. What a good read...this should be posted in every village town city across

America

Thank You

[symbolman]

131. Great stuff

I don't know why, but I was in the supermarket yesterday and a fellow in fatigues walked past me,he seemed really happy, was yacking it up with some other folks.. and I, wel, I SALUTED HIM.. and this is strange because this is something I NEVER did in the military, I made a point of not saluting people if I could get away with it..

To me I would salute someone ONLY if I thought they DESERVED IT, and there were times when I was nearly court martialed for it.. but for some reason it just felt right, maybe a senior moment where I slipped and the auto training came into play, my body just reacted and did what they drill into you for years..

I think I surprised the guy, as I have the whole long hair, John Lennon glasses, shredded clothes (I live in Hawaii so cut all the sleeves off my shirts), look - may have thrown him off.. then again, if you've been in the Military you have a certain air about you, a lot of times you can just TELL that some other person did time, and you play the "guess their age, what war they were in.."

I still don't support any of these guys that are torturing or murdering (and there IS a difference, even in the battlefield), but I guess I got the feeling this guy was BACK and GLAD OF IT, so it was more of a welcome home thing..

I LOVE YOUR STORY THO, Brilliant! Short and sweet, too bad you didn't have time to wonder aloud why no Bush "kids" or relatives weren't serving their country, like the DOOFUS CLONE of GW they interviewed on tv last week.. also as a vet I always want to let them know that Bush is ROBBING Vets of their Health benefits, combat pay, etc..

But if you get too preachy it ruins the subtlety and beauty of the moment, great JOB, and thanks for serving as well, I SALUTE YOU, :)

[maxrandb]

132. A Salute is really just a form of greeting

I know some officers that will pitch a fit if someone fails to salute, but it really is only a form of respect and greeting.

I'm a Navy "Mustang" Officer. That means I started as an "e-nothing" and worked my way through the ranks. Even now, as an Officer, I will often be the one to initiate the salute when I approach some junior folks. I realize that maybe they don't see me, or are unsure if a salute is necessary. If I initiate it, it takes the pressure off them, and shows that even though I out-rank them...I respect them.

Sea Story: I was going through indoctrination on my first ship. I was an E1. The Command Master Chief, a BMCM that had done back to back river boat tours in Vietnam and had been in the Navy since Noah was a deck-hand was giving us his in-brief on the fantail of the ship. An O1 walked by, and the CMC kept right on talking. The O1 made the mistake of his life. He stopped and asked this Master Chief; "don't they teach you to salute an Officer"?

The Master Chief reached into his pocket, pulled out a coin, and told this Ensign; "here's a dime son...go call your mom and tell her you met a real Sailor today".

[symbolman]

141. I love some of the stories I have from the Military

real treasures, real men - this is what Bush is missing from his resume, the HUMANITY you are mixed up with, the cross section of ALL Americans that show the depth and breadth of our American Soul. We had race relation classes in the USAF, didn't need them really, hell, we all LIVED together, during the draft the Military was a smaller version of the "melting pot" that is the heart of the United States, and it was a great time and place for a young man, tho I didn't even want to be there, I DID feel like I was an important part of the "machine", and owned a piece of the Constitution as I was earning it.

I was a procurement Specialist, and made it up the the grade of e-4 (I believe), a SGT anyway, and one mont or so from a Staff Sgt (which was what my brother was, and after 14 years in the USAF he was pissed to no end that *I* was nearly at his rank), but I was in a good field, had tested high and was right there buying all the implements of destruction along with containers full of cereal for the troops, joysticks for SR-71s, or selling huge ancient govt buildings for a dollar.

One day I was handed a purchase order for carpeting for the doghouse owned by a General. (this in the days of the $800 toilet seats) SO I gave the General a little call. "G'morning sir, this is procurement and I just wanted to let you know that we're not buying any damn carpeting for YOUR doghouse.."

It was specifically against the rules and I had no idea how it had got past anyone.

He sputtered, and railed and said nasty things then ended with, "Son do YOU know WHO I AM?"

And I said, "Yes sir, you are General such and such.. Do you know who *I* AM?"

"No, as a matter of fact I don't.."

"Then F*CK YOU General.", and I hung up the phone. I suddenly realised that there were not all that many young males in the office and that he had a pretty good chance of finding out who I was, so I grabbed the purchase order and high tailed it to the Office Commander a Major.

He had a big grin on his face and said, "Don' worry about it. I'll take care of this one.."

Luckily I was never found out, or the Major got the General to back off, I know he didn't get the carpet for his doghouse. It had pissed me off that I was buying all these war weapons for a war I didn't agree with, but it was my job, and I had sworn to do my duty, and in those days if you walked around wearing your uniform in some towns outside of the towns near the base you could get spat on, or called a "baby killer" by the very people that YOU wanted to hang out with, grow your hair, smoke their stuff, play music with, etc..

I see that world again, tho they've made it a sort of crime to dis the troops now, even the DU will shut down a thread when someone posts that they don't support the troops, which I have done before when entirely too disgusted, but to remind people that altho LEGALLY troops can't complain about Bush, they can STILL REFUSE an order that they believe is ILLEGAL. It's in the UNIFORM MILITARY CODE OF JUSTICE, I had them all memorized so I could f*ck with officers :)

So I am torn, I appreciate what you do but not the position that you have been put in, as I was put in a similar situation, an umpopular war, waged thousands of miles from anyone that could do us harm, by a president that everyone wished would just GO AWAY..

Glad to see that you initiate the salute, you I would have saluted, you can just tell who's worthy and who's not.. some of the "butter bars" (First Lieutenants) got respect from no one - myself I more repected those who'd gone through the ranks to get there, instead of being handed those little yellow bars for showing up straight from college.

And the Navy is a whole nother animal, it would have been my second choice, there's something about the sea that makes for great stories, different from the SKY where I lived, but just as primal. The old guys had the REAL stories and if you listened like I did you grew and grew, if you didn't you were a fool, as they were the best stories and tales you can hear outside of your own family's.

In a sense the military ARE our family, the sons and daughters of Uncle Sam..

Thanks for your post, what a great laugh, those old salts are the best, and cut through egos like butter :)

Stay safe.

[npincus]

134. great story- shows you how efefctive the RW MSM has been in

brainwashing Americans to believe Democrats cannot be patriots. UGH.

Thanks for your service- I think about you guys/gals all the time.

[maxrandb]

142. Ain't it the truth

It's amazing how presumptuos people can be. Truth be told, there are surely an equal number of Democrats as there are Republicans in the military, maybe even more, but you wouldn't know that from listening to the MSM, or that other expert on military sacrifice, Rush "my asshole hurts so I can't serve" Limpballs.

You know deep in your heart that Rush would shit himself a new asshole if he ever had to face combat.

Oh, and the myth just keeps getting worse and worse. You ask any military person, and they will tell you that every "stinking" TV that is controled by the Officer ranks, and that's about all of them, are frozen on Faux News.

Loved the story one of our DUer's told about how her husband got ahold of the remote one day and "parental locked" Faux News. I bet the withdrawal from the kool-aid was ugly.

[bleedingheart]

137. This post made my day!

[sonoranleftist]

143. I hope there wans't any T/P

Fuck those bushbots.

[Skittles]

144. YOU ROCK, maxrandb !!!!!

you nailed it and in such a logical, civilized manner. YOU DID US PROUD! I am often astounded by the fact that on my work team here in Texas I am the only ACTIVE supporter of the troops - meaning I don't sport a silly magnet on my car, I send DOZENS of care packages. AND I AM THE ONLY VETERAN AND THE ONLY DEMOCRAT!

You and BOSSHOG are my heroes!

[oasis]

145. Bon appetite, beeeyotch!!!