How many anti-choicers have medical degrees?

[DanCa]

What quallifies them to interefere in a medical procedure in which another person is involved? And since they dont have medical degrees can they be sued?

[AllegroRondo]

1. Frist?

of course, he thinks he can diagnose via video, so I wouldnt count his opinion.

[DanCa]

2. Yeah but wasn't he wrong about Schiavo ?

[knitter4democracy]

4. Massively wrong.

I don't know a single doctor who isn't ticked off at that guy because of that stunt.

Btw, check out http://www.pushfluids.com/blog/archives/000253.html for a great take on that by a resident. :)

[democracyindanger]

5. To be fair, the tracking was off on the VCR

[knitter4democracy]

3. I know a couple.

They were just going to refuse to do the procedure but not interfere with the procedure being done. My hubby's pro-choice but an internist and so can't do the procedure (was never trained in it, either), and he would help any patient who wanted one.

How are they interfering that you want to sue them? Standing outside a medical clinic doesn't stop the procedure from happening, no matter how much they'd like that to be true. Harrassing women is nasty and horrible, but it's not against the law to exercise their right to free speech.

I still think that website that targeted the doctors went too far, but the courts said otherwise, if I remember right.

[DanCa]

6. Is this a neutreal stance on the subject

I honestly dont believe i have the right to make the choice for anyone in this circumstance. It's not my buisness one way or the other. I do think that if men are strongly antichoice they shouldn't be having sex because it does have consequences. I do think adoption of living breathing humans is great but embryos is just crazy. And I am against the fundie freaks harrassing anyone especially an woman who is making one of the toughest decisions in her life especially since they do not know t he circumstances surrounding the decision.

[knitter4democracy]

12. The docs I know wouldn't harrass the patient.

They're pretty nice people overall, and I just can't see them harrassing a patient about anything. Then again, they felt pretty strongly about abortion, so they might try to counsel a patient otherwise.

I went to an evangelical college, and that is where I know them from. There were some serious anti-choice freaks there, but most students weren't comfortable with their tactics. It's one thing to make a personal choice for oneself, and it's a whole other thing to picket, march, and scream at other people for their choices.

[Avalux]

7. Please explain your use of the word "interfere"

I'm not quite sure what you're asking. :hi:

[DanCa]

9. Interfere

To try and interject themselves in the situation in any way without being asked by the woman before hand.

[Avalux]

14. OK.

Any licensed physician who would interfere with the LEGAL choice by a woman to have an abortion is violating their oath, IMHO.

A physician's two concerns should be the health of the patient and the wishes of the patient. If a patients consults with her physician in confidence her desire to have an abortion, the physician should not interject their own religious beliefs and/or give her erroneous medical advice to "scare" her into changing her mind (this does happen). If the woman has made a decision, I feel it is the duty of the physician to find the best possible facility for his patient.

In the public arena, I believe it is wrong for a licensed physician to be a pro-life activist and engage in tactics that are medically unethical.

And no, an nonmedical person interfering cannot be sued, unless of course the interference becomes physical.

[JohnnyBoots]

8. In my wife's Med. School class there were a bunch of Creationists. Scary

to think about that coupled with all the Fundie lawyers coming out of places like Liberty Univ. To provide legal cover for the Fundie cause in the ever increasing fundie courts.

[DanCa]

11. Last year at our parkinsons event in DC

A group of pro lifers showed up on the last day, disguised themselves as pd lobbyist (tremors and wheelchairs and all). Than they started handing out thier pamphletes durring a break so the administrator called hotel security to shoo them away. Later that evening I saw several people harassing the administrator as she was headding to dinner. I was near the bar of the hotel so I signaled my friends rick and james (both former marines) to help get her out of there. They backed off rather quickly. Typical bullies if you stand up to them theyll leave you alone. Btw the prolifer in the wheel chair was the first run to run away when he saw us walking toward them.

[knitter4democracy]

13. Really?

My hubby and I went to an evangelical college, and I don't think any of the pre-meds were Creationists. I mean, they probably thought God was somehow involved in the process, but they believed in evolution. It was something they all couldn't talk about, actually, unless they wanted to be harrassed.

[DanCa]

15. honestly this was the night before we went to capital hill to lobby.

And on that lobby day is where i got my most prized possession . Senator Durbin of Il give my the Donkey pin of his lapel when I started getting really sick and shaken in his office. I know it's probably a three dollar copy but I still take it as an honor. He said he admired my courage and determination for being there. I hope I get to see him next month when I go .

[knitter4democracy]

17. Wow!

That is sooooo cool!!! I've been thinking of getting one of those for my knitting bag (to go with the Dean pin, of course ;) ). He rocks!

[MountainLaurel]

16. there are some in the med school where I work

Early in the semester, I sat in on a class for the first years. The course is an introduction to health care, in which they have to look at issues like disparities in health care, the role of insurance companies, the state of health care in the U.S., etc. This particular course was introducing them to the situation regarding health care in DC, where they will be working for the next four years. One of the slides the instructor showed them compared the infant mortality rate in SE DC to the country ratings the UN puts out (it was somewhere around 118, next to countries like Thailand, Angola, and Albania). During the Q&A, some guy (it's always a guy, isn't it), asks if infant mortality rates include abortion. (If you don't know the answer to that, you should be able to get into med school to begin with).

So yes, the whackjobs are certainly around.

[knitter4democracy]

19. That's just sad.

And yes, it's always been a guy, in my experience. The women I know who feel strongly about it are never as in-your-face about it. Maybe it's because we can see how a woman would come to that decision.

For those guys, I really think it's something about control. The ones I knew in college got so freaked out by the idea of a woman deciding to get an abortion in the case of the dad wanting the baby. That seemed to be their biggest issue. Now, I can understand why that's upsetting, but until the guys carry the babies and face death (yes, women still die in pregnancy and labor in this country) and all the attendant risks, they don't get to force a woman to carry the baby.

[PDJane]

10. It has happened ........

In, I think, New Brunswick, that a fundie nut case tried to stop an abortion for health reasons and got himself in the wrong operating theatre.......he was ushered out in handcuffs. Oddly enough, he seems to have disappeared from the anti-choice radar, too, for some reason.

[The Flaming Red Head]

18. Mostly the ones they pay off

IMO

[cmd]

20. My Catholic family doctor

It's his religious belief and I respect that. I know where he stands and why.

[snippy]

21. Bush's favorite Ob-Gyn is anti-abortion and anti-birth control.

Dr. David Hager was the Bush appointee who routinely anally raped his wife, and then claimed he did it by mistake. How very republican.

Dr. David Hager: Lunatic, Extremist, Rapist, Bush’s Favorite Gynecologist, and the Man Who Killed “Plan B”

http://www.leanleft.com/archives/2005/05/12/4205

Based on Hager's "mistakes" while raping his wife, I think Bush probably had him in mind when he said "Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country."