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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:36 PM
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Poll question: Would you support random polygraphs of Congress for corruption?
Politicians, especially on the right, seem to favor drug testing for kids in school and pro jocks.

The same kind of check should be applied to their ethical behavior.

Have a polygraph station set up in the Congress building, and summon representatives and Senators at random, hook them up, and ask them about whether donations effected their votes, lobbyists wrote legislation, or if they received any illegal gifts or money to influence their votes.

The polygraph is a crude and inaccurate instrument, but scientists have come up with one or two approachs to brain scan lie detectors that are impossible to fool.

Put them in that too.

Is this a good idea?
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:38 PM
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1. No. Polygraphs are pseudoscience
And they should never be used in ways that suggest that they can divine truth or falsehood.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:39 PM
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2. well said!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:42 PM
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5. How about hypnotism then?
Don't be such a party pooper!
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:49 PM
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12. Well, that's different
Hypnotize them into believing that they're responsible, law-abiding citizens.

Of course, it's said that you can't hypnotize someone to do something to which they're morally opposed, so good luck in trying to force honesty out of them, hypnotism or otherwise...
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:06 PM
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14. or a post-hypnotic suggestion
like "cut taxes on the working poor"?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:01 PM
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15. jumper cables on the nuts have a solid track record--ask Jeff Gannon
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:10 PM
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19. What he said
Polygraphs and E-Meters have a similar basis in science.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:40 PM
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3. Naw. Give 'em another raise.
and improve their benefits.

and allow them to keep their pensions even after they are convicted of multiple felonies while in office.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:41 PM
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4. Of course not, that sounds like a Republican idea
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:42 PM
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6. Polygraph results..
.. arent' worth the paper they are printed on, and never have been.

The machine measures an emotional response. The response might be to the question itself, or the answer given. There is really no way for the examiner to really know.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:43 PM
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7. I think there should be random drug/acohol testing,,,,,
IRS record checks AND required no stock market holdings while in office,,,, as well as no campaigning while in office,,,, or scheduled vacation/downtime while at War,,,,,

I want workaholics in there NOT sleazy politicians.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:08 PM
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17. and cavity searches (the butt kind)
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:43 PM
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8. They should all be sworn in under oath at the begining of each session...
And there should be a mandatory sentence of 100 years in maximum security prison, no exceptions, if they are found at trial to have lied under that oath.
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raysr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:44 PM
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9. The Supreme Nominees
need to polygraphed AS THEY SPEAK!
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:44 PM
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10. Better than a polygraph; we need ALL of Congress to have Term Limits......
so the bastards can't be reelected to 'lifetime appointments'. Two (2) Terms Maximum, then they are OUT!!!!!!!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:09 PM
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18. that's only four years for a congressman and we'd lose Ted Kennedy, and
some other old farts who still make good contributions.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:15 PM
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28. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the GREATER GOOD.........
There can be NO exceptions because you can not have it both ways; we need to STOP the corruption in our governments and Term Limits is part of the answer.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:46 PM
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11. I would say yes, but only under the following conditions:
a) no warrants
b) no warnings
c) no congressional attorneys or witnesses present
d) everything they say can be used against them - and others, even secretly.
e) a refusal to answer any question is an admission of guilt
f) any equivical or wrong answers will be prosecuted immediately.
g) mandatory sentences of no pensions, 10X fines for the bribes received, 10 yrs minimum in a high risk prison, solitary confinement - ie, barring of all communications with anyone, including counsel or family for the first 3 years. (just like Padilla)
h) waiver of all double jeapardy rules, so if the prosecution screws up, they can try, try again.
i) waiver fo all ex post facto protections. WE get to decide when their acts were illegal after the fact.

Heck, if the president is really taking our rights away (which he is) then congress should be the recipient and beneficiary of his decisions, first and foremost.

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:59 PM
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13. No,
but if they are caught committing a crime, they should go to prison for many years (longer than someone who has written a fraudulent check, for example).

While sitting in their jail cells politicians can explain to the other inmates (most of whom are doing 3-10 for a non-violent crimes or drug possession) why they deserve a lighter sentence. Maybe they will convince their cellmates how and why they are better, of a higher caliber, and why only the working class and poor deserve to be brutally punished and tortured.

Lie detector tests, wiretapping, drug tests, etc. are the tools of fascists, despots, and maniacs.


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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:04 PM
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16. Is there a way to hook 'em up to one permanently? n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:11 PM
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21. that would be wrong but...
we could hook up the jumper cables every morning in the cloak room.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:10 PM
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20. I Voted For Torture and Wiretapping
Hey, they're ok with both of those things. Good for the goose, good for the gander. If you've got nothing to hide. . .'
The Professor
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:11 PM
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22. exactly
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:14 PM
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23. Anyone running for a federal office should be given one!
In front of the entire country on TV!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:56 PM
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26. an easier fix: screw a webcam and mic into side of their head and
keep the tapes somewhere they can't get at them.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:56 PM
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27. this would be good for presidents too.
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The Whiskey Priest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:18 PM
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24. Yes…the bosses polygraph nearly ever service job today
If it is a good tool to keep teen-age workers from lifting a buck-seventy five hair comb, then think how good it would be to keep the crooks away from billions.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:48 PM
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25. I wonder if there have been court cases on this in the workplace
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