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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:41 AM
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NAFTA-gate Update aka Obama's Big Lie
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:50 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
 
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OMG, now he's changing his story. First, no call was made, now, a call WAS made??? Obama is so full of sh!t and he's totally trying to cover his ass - so transparent. what a fake!

from AP today March 3 : http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jrFPkleRZmbmPtPxHBGNAPSzfUtwD8V5OLP00

SAN ANTONIO, Texas (AP) — Barack Obama's senior economic policy adviser said Sunday that Canadian government officials wrote an inaccurate portrayal of his private discussion on the campaign's trade policy in a memo obtained by The Associated Press.

The memo is the first documentation to emerge publicly out of the meeting between the adviser, Austan Goolsbee, and officials with the Canadian consulate in Chicago, but Goolsbee said it misinterprets what he told them. The memo was written by Joseph DeMora, who works for the consulate and attended the meeting.

Goolsbee disputed a section that read: "Noting anxiety among many U.S. domestic audiences about the U.S. economic outlook, Goolsbee candidly acknowledged the protectionist sentiment that has emerged, particularly in the Midwest, during the primary campaign. He cautioned that this messaging should not be taken out of context and should be viewed as more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans."

"This thing about `it's more about political positioning than a clear articulation of policy plans,' that's this guy's language," Goolsbee said of DeMora. "He's not quoting me.

"I certainly did not use that phrase in any way," Goolsbee said.

The meeting was first reported last week by Canadian television network CTV, which cited unnamed sources as saying that Goolsbee assured the Canadians that Obama's tough talk on the North American Free Trade Agreement is just campaign rhetoric not to be taken seriously. The Obama campaign and the Canadian embassy denied there was any inconsistency between what the candidate was saying publicly and what advisers were saying privately.

NAFTA is widely opposed in economically depressed Ohio, which holds its presidential primary Tuesday and is a key battleground between Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Both candidates said in a debate in Cleveland last week that they would renegotiate the trade agreement between the United States, Canada and Mexico, which is the largest trading partnership in the world, and threaten to pull out if it doesn't include more protections for workers and the environment.

"I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced," Obama said in the debate.

The memo obtained by the AP was widely distributed within the Canadian government. It is more than 1,300 words and covers many topics that DeMora said were discussed in the Feb. 8 "introductory meeting" between himself, Goolsbee and the consul general in Chicago, Georges Rioux.

Goolsbee "was frank in saying that the primary campaign has been necessarily domestically focused, particularly in the Midwest, and that much of the rhetoric that may be perceived to be protectionist is more reflective of political maneuvering than policy," the memo's introduction said. "On NAFTA, Goolsbee suggested that Obama is less about fundamentally changing the agreement and more in favour of strengthening/clarifying language on labour mobility and environment and trying to establish these as more `core' principles of the agreement."

Goolsbee said that sentence is true and consistent with Obama's position. But he said other portions of the memo were inaccurate.

He said he has been surprised that such a banal and trivial meeting with a low-level consulate official has created so much controversy and resulted in such an inaccurate depiction. He said he was invited to the consulate to meet the officials and get a tour.

He said the visit lasted about 40 minutes, and perhaps two to three minutes were spent discussing NAFTA. He said the Canadians asked about Obama's position, and he replied about his interest in improving labor and environmental standards, and they raised some concerns that Obama sounds like a protectionist.

He said he responded that Obama is not a protectionist, but that the Illinois senator tries to strike a balance between the economic struggles of working Americans and recognizing that free trade is good for the economy.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:50 AM
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1. ...
:popcorn:

Waiting for the thundering herd of bots to come in ninja-style. Keywords to be used "hater" "racist" blatty blah blah ad nauseum.

:rofl:
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:54 AM
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2. It is indefensible Obama's lie will hurt them deeply ...it is going to be a hard swallow
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 11:56 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 11:30 AM
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11. hear the ~~~~crickets~~~~?
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:01 PM
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3. I agree with David Sirota's take on this, 100%
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 12:03 PM by ihavenobias
"...Right now, Hillary Clinton is trying to pretend she never supported NAFTA, when the historical record clearly shows she did. Obama's past record is much more clear -- he has always said he opposed the NAFTA trade model, even drawing criticism for that position from his hometown paper, the Chicago Tribune...

On balance, I'm strongly inclined to believe the Obama camp on this one. He's a guy who has said he's been against NAFTA since he was a candidate for the Senate, and has taken heat for it. The Canadian officials quoted are conservative, pro-NAFTA politicians with an interest in tamping down the push to reform our trade policies. And the article itself is very thinly sourced. My guess is Obama's campaign at some point contacted the Canadian embassy as a courtesy, and that was spun into this story - without direct quotes, of course - claiming his rhetoric would not be followed through on..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/obama-camp-canadian-emb_b_88893.html
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:05 PM
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4. Obama lied about having the meeting with Canadian officials on NAFTA and the CTV report
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 12:08 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:12 PM
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5. Apparently you missed this part
of what I posted. Here it is again:

"...The Canadian officials quoted are conservative, pro-NAFTA politicians with an interest in tamping down the push to reform our trade policies. And the article itself is very thinly sourced. My guess is Obama's campaign at some point contacted the Canadian embassy as a courtesy, and that was spun into this story - without direct quotes, of course - claiming his rhetoric would not be followed through on..."
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:16 PM
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6. so you are claiming that the "conservative" Canadian officials and CTV are swiftbaoters?
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 12:17 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:33 PM
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7. I'm saying consider the source and look for potential agendas
That also goes for news networks, which also like to grab headlines and ratings.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:10 AM
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10. Sirota says it
'nough said for me.

Plus she is acting like a complete asshole over the last few days. She is OVER.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 01:20 PM
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8. They're both liars.
Clinton obviously supported NAFTA in 2000, as the quotes show.

And I'm sure Obama's people really did call the Canadian government to say that.

There is no way we are getting out of or renegotiating NAFTA. No fucking way.

This is what happens when two candidates run against each other who are 95% similar.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:06 AM
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9. Clinton was NOT the president and had no vote on the issue then.
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 10:50 PM
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12. Whether she was president or not in 1992 isn't the issue.
It's whether or not she supports NAFTA or not.

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