Disloyal Democrat: Hillary Clinton picks John McCain over Barack Obama

[jedreport]

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Hillary Clinton's embrace of McCain is outrageous.

Yes, this is the same John McCain who is the biggest cheerleader for the war in Iraq and is the architect of the surge.

This is the same John McCain who admits he doesn't know know a thing about economics and proves it with his tired-old right wing rhetoric.

This is the same John McCain who gladly embraces an anti-Catholic pastor in the pursuit of votes from evangelical extremists.

And Hillary Clinton thinks John McCain is better suited to the presidency than Barack Obama.

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[SoFlaJet]

3. you don't like the facts of Your Girl's OWN words

so you attack the messenger sounds very Rovian to me-I say welcome to DU and it was a good thread-truth hurts you see and these Clinton supporters are hurting bad and after tomorrows results won't know what they're gonna do next after Obama sweeps another 4 states

[styersc]

111. Out of curiosity, why are there no complete sentences in the clip?

Pretty transparent attempt to take words of out of context of both syntax and situation.

[hamnose]

155. out of curiosity

Out of curiosity which incomplete sentence are you referring to?

[berni_mccoy]

13. It's Clinton who is a Posing Democrat, not the OP. And you Hilbots can't face the reality of it.

[RC]

31. Yeah, what berni_mccoy said. Hillary is a DINO!

What will it take to make her supporter understand this. It makes me question the party her supporters are really supporting.

[IsItJustMe]

142. I think it's damn obvious by now.

[jefferson_dem]

26. It's that fucking egocentric slimeball in the video who needs to be kicked to the curb.

Enjoy that.

[peacebird]

2. she would prefer McCain to Obama... good grief. I pray that Tue is a major victory for BO

I pray he not only wins but that he crushes her totally.

[saracat]

4. What a peace bird you are! Not!

[peacebird]

10. meeeooooowww

[saracat]

23. So like , what has your candidate done to end the war? Since your such a peacebird and all?

[JAbuchan08]

148. clearly you are qualified to judge,

seeing as you are voting for the PRO-war candidate.

[hamnose]

154. This doesn't sound a bit hypocritical

So like , what has your candidate done to end the war? since you're like such a peace loving Hillary supporter and all?

[Carolina]

11. I know it' sdespicable

I really can't stand her calculating, kitchen sink, win at all costs ass.

And if she manages to steal it, I will NEVER vote for her... I just won't vote for the top of the ticket.

And I don't care about being flamed.

[frog92969]

20. I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for tommorrow.

This insanity has to stop.

[Ian_rd]

150. Christ let it be over soon.

Every day around here is worse than the day before.

[lisainmilo]

90. I am with you...

I hope he crushes her too! Then Bill and Bush can go on golfing and living the high life while the country goes in for repair from the atrocities committed by this administration.

[ForeignSpectator]

164. Man, shrub totally looks like the evil mother$#!*er he is on that photo... n/t

[saracat]

5. Acknowlegding Mccain has more experience than Obama is "embracing him" Get agrip.

[theredpen]

7. It is when you add in an Obama put-down

She's clearly saying that you need to vote for "experience" whether it's her or McCain.

Any Democrat that would put McCain higher than one of our own deserves a donkey-hoof to the face. I've tried to stay positive about Hillary Clinton, but now she's threatening to sue my State Democratic Party to take away my primary vote and she's campaigning for McCain. She's lost her mind. The least she could do is try to spin herself out of this comment.

[frog92969]

14. Shouldn't she care about November?

Wether she's the Dem or not?:shrug:

[saracat]

21. Shouldn't Obamam care as well. What about his negative attacks on her? And

how does one avoid McCain having more experience? you think the GOP doesn't "know" is it a secret? Are you all crazy? Perhaps they didn't notice he is w war hero or old either!

[IowaGirl]

79. If he's 71, he might have picked up something...

along the way.

[frog92969]

88. If you can't see what she just did to the party...

and can continue to defend her, then maybe you're supporting the right candidate after all.

[goletian]

15. its very clear what shes doing

she might be trying to establish a contrast for her own benefit, but by including mccain shes basically endorsing him over obama. wake up please, you should not be condoning this behavior if you are voting democrat this november.

[Joshua N]

18. Was that all she was doing? I don't mean to be offensive, but you are blind to believe that. eom

[gateley]

71. No, it's not embracing him -

but she shouldn't have even mentioned his name. She's not running against McCain for the Democratic nominee. If she wanted to compare her experience to Obama's that's fair -- but WTF was this??

I bet Kennedy, Dodd and Richardson are bursting blood vessels right about now.

[Deep13]

101. Ah, I can't see video from here.

Really, if I wanted to watch videos I'd turn on the TV. But I figured it was something like that. The fact is McC. is better qualified in terms of background than probably either D. candidate although HC has actually worked in the executive branch.

[BearSquirrel2]

117. She is filming a campaign commercial ...

The way you run an amicable primary debate is to challenge each other on the values of the party and how well you align to them. Always, your comparisons should be favorable in terms of the other party. If you lose, you're going to have to back the other guy if you really believe in the nominating process.

I believe in being fair to Hillary's strengths and faults. A lot of the stuff done said and done so far can be passed off as "testing" Obama for a general election. After all, if there is a bombshell it should come out in the primary before the actual nomination takes place (just like in Primary Colors). However, giving the opponent a leg up on you and preferring the Republican nominee over someone who will likely be the Democratic nominee, well she stepped out of the tent and pissed all over it.

I think we're seeing the Clinton family desperately try to hold on to the party reigns. They know if Obama wins the nomination, they're hold is done for and others will be driving the party. I for one believe it's a good time to see a little change. I don't think Obama is that much farther left then Clinton, but I'll take anything I can get.

Hillary is going to look very foolish and bitter after Obama gets the nomination. She will alienate herself from future candidacy if Obama actually loses the general election. She will also be blocking herself out from potentially being Senate Majority/Minority Leader in the future if she makes this bitter.

[NorthCarolina]

170. She's Filming a McCain Campaign Commercial is what she's doing (nt)

[9119495]

124. McCain has more experience than Clinton...

Just where will this argument get her if she is the nominee against McCain?

[IsItJustMe]

143. Look: HRC is running on her experience. She says vote for me over Obama because I have the

experience and Obama don't. Then, on her stump speeches and on national telivision she says, I have the experience, McCain has the experience and Obama don't. You don't see how, by what she is doing, this is going to seriously hurt Obama's chances in a general election. This is not good and I have never seen one party member outing another party member of the same party, in favor of the other party candidate in a national election. If you don't care what party wins in 2008, then I can see your point.

[D23MIURG23]

6. Its called an obituary.

She is writing it for her career in politics.

[iilana X]

The Party can't nominate her after that?

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She has to be crazy to say that. How on earth can Democrats support that? Super delegates are here for a purpose, after all. When one candidate disgraces themselves or their party, they can step in.

Let's hope they do. Nobody who backstabs the Democratic Party deserves the nomination of the Democratic Party. Period.

[D23MIURG23]

70. She'll have to start surpassing Obama by double digit margins

She isn't likely to do more than edge Obama out in the next contests (if she does win) unless there is some major trend in her direction that everyone is missing. If trends continue or swing less than substantially toward Clinton she may need many more supers than Obama to win. I'd guess most supers don't fear him enough to reject him in droves for the veteran he just trounced. He's not as establishment as Clinton, but he isn't exactly Kucinich either.

She is far more likely to put a bad taste in everyones mouth by pulling out all the stops to destroy him. She is putting herself in a position to have her words and memes used against Obama in the general and even (Bob forbid) be remembered as the progressive who put McCain in office. I think the latter situation is unlikely, but either would make her persona non-grata, and taking up the Nader mantle would make her unable to run for city council.

[BearSquirrel2]

118. Wow, if Chelsea was old enough ....

You know, under Hillary's definition of experience Chelsea would have 8 years of tenure in the executive branch as well. I suppose it's too bad she isn't old enough.

She did the health care initiative. After that, she was locked out. They wouldn't even put her up to be a cabinet secretary. Politically, she was just too hot to handle.

[mistertrickster]

67. Ditto. You heard what I heard: "I have experience. McCain has experience.

Obama has a speech."

That's totally effed.

Maybe she and Liebermann can run as third party "independents."

[Mimosa]

87. I heard it when she said it....

It is clear to me that Billary would prefer to see the Democratic Party ticket LOSE if she's not topping it. Treachery, mendacity...a whole lot of words come to mind. I fear what she'd do if elected. Perhaps other people here happen to recall the jobs hemorraging to China when her husband was President.

MisterTrickster, who's that on your avatar. please?

[timtom]

96. Sorry to jump in here

but I don't see where you got a response to your question.

The avatar image is that of Woody Guthrie, dean of America's folk balladeers and profound anti-fascist.

Bob Dylan's muse.

Arlo Guthrie's dad.

[Bluenorthwest]

132. And what did it say on Woody's guitar?

Clue: it did not say let's make nice with the Right.

[timtom]

136. "This machine kills fascists"

Correct?

Gives "This Land is Your Land" new power and meaning.

[arewenotdemo]

82. Yes, it is.

[nebula]

165. Shillary actively works for the McCain campaign

and has practically admitted it.

[iilana X]

8. She just disqualified herself from the nomination.

No real Democrat would endorse McCain over another Democrat.

I hope those super delegates are watching very closely.

[Mimosa]

89. Amen, Ilana

Iilana said: "She just disqualified herself from the nomination.

No real Democrat would endorse McCain over another Democrat.

I hope those super delegates are watching very closely."

If racism beats the common sense and honesty we're getting from Obama and the numbers are close at the end, I hope those super delegates are really Democrats and have been watching and listening as we have. Hillary scares me. I have never heard a Republican candidate for high office endorse another party's candidate over his own. I've seen TV coverage wherein McCain spoke about he and Hillary getting together over martinis. Now it's taking on an ominous meaning.

[AlinPA]

9. She and McCain are double teaming Obama. nt

[WVRevy]

12. They ARE double teaming him...

...and he's handing them BOTH their asses! Hillary tomorrow, and McCain come November!

[knowledgeispwr]

16. What a terrible way to frame your argument Hillary.

Sheesh, I don't even know what to say to this.

[frog92969]

17. I guess it's gonna be her...or "fuck off".

How can anybody think she still cares about us?

Oh yeah...she said so.:banghead:

[KaptBunnyPants]

19. Wow. And to think we almost nominated this traitor.

I never realized just how screwed we are as a Party. It looks like she's gonna take her ball and go home, or more likely, throw her support behind McCain officially. She's not even a DINO now, she's a full fledged Republican.

[Hutzpa]

22. Hillary is finally showing her true colors lol!!

and yet still there are democrats supporting her, everyday that prick General Macaca is

looking Presidential courtesy of Hillary.

Now we have the Governor of Florida telling Democrats how to run their party,

all courtesy of Hillary.

[madrchsod]

24. looking forward to your big johnny site.....

she`s a real good friend of john

[stratomagi]

25. Okay so if we're basing this on experience

And she has 35 (-8 if First lady doesn't count for some people) and McCain has 50....then doesn't that make John McCain a better candidate for president than her?

:hide:

[madrchsod]

27. sure does!

plus he`s a "war hero"! we all know what hillary did when she in the anti-war movement in the late 60-70`s

[stratomagi]

29. I'm saying this because

honestly what's her platform going to be if she is the nominee...i've got more experience than....oh...FUCK. Oh I know I voted against the w...oh wait...FUCK.

[BearSquirrel2]

120. Maybe McCain will nominate her ...

Wow, maybe McCain could nominate her to be his VP candidate. It sounds oddball, but that could be a slam dunk since the right wing won't show up for McCain anyway.

[NYDem Observer]

28. Wow I truly can't believe she said that

I wouldn't have believed it if i didn't see it with my own eyes. Thank you OP. Tomorrow can't come soon enough, she is single handedly ruining the democratic party and handing McCain the election. I can see McCain using this against Obama in the GE.

[customerserviceguy]

61. Here's how I see it

being able to fight off Hillary's dirty attacks makes Sen. Obama a stronger candidate in the general. About the only really solid criticism I've seen of him is that he's never had to win a hard-fought race, but I think winning through all of the slime that she's tossed at him, without flinging any of his own shows him to be a strong campaigner.

He's done his share (so far) of standing up to McLame, I expect he will continue to do so in the future.

[shrub chipper]

99. Welcome to DU

and I agree completely with your post.

As far as I'm concerned, after she made that statement, I can no longer vote for her. That is unforgiveable.

[MindMatter]

30. Trying desperately to not call her what she is . . .

Rhymes with twitch.

This may end up in the streets before all is said and done. Really, didn't Bill do enough damage? Why do they put us through this?

[99th_Monkey]

91. Because the Bush/Clinton Dynasy must prevail, period.

We don't need no new kid on the block tellin' us what to do, see?

[WDIM]

32. She doesn't care about the party

She doesn't care about democrats. She doesn't care about people. She doesn't care about anything but her own selfish political gains. Have you ever heard Obama say anything about I will be the first "black" president. No... But I've heard her say many times about being the first "woman" president. I've been afraid she'd bring her own party down to achieve her selfish gains. This proofs it more than anything. Her desperation and bitterness has been showing in her negative ads and negative speeches for weeks now.

[ima_sinnic]

33. oh jeezus, just go away, Hillary, I am sooo sick to death of you

how pathetic--she's losing, so she's giving the entire Democratic party--basically We The People--the finger.

If by some evil manipulation she ends up with the nomination, I'll write in Edwards. There's no way in hell I'm going to vote for that. Not only I, but how many tens of thousands of repukes will come out of the woodwork to vote against her. What a totally UNelectable candidate. What a typically DUMB DLC lost cause. DINO in both senses of the word--Democrat In Name Only, and fucking DINOsaur.

May the machine behind her just fucking crash and burn--SOON.

[Crunchy Frog]

34. Wow! Maybe she can campaign for McCain in the general.

[connecticut yankee]

68. Why not?

Lieberman is. They can campaign together.

[Yael]

35. What happened to my party?

Why aren't they standing up to this and reminding her that she is supposedly running as a democrat?

Dear Lord -- Ted Strickland bobbleheading in the background again just like he did when she did the "shame on you" nonsense. I hope he enjoys his career after making that choice. Egg meet face.

[understandinglife]

36. As goes LIEberman, so goes Hillary ....

The corporatist, DLC branch of the Democratic party is running scared ....

And, we're gonna chase'um toward accountability-land ....


Yes. We. Will.

[berni_mccoy]

37. RACHEL MADDOW ON KO: "That's what you say when you want to be McCain's V.P., not President..."

"of the U.S."

that was her response to this TREACHERY.

[Sonnenschein]

38. How is that differenct from Mrs. Obama saying she would hesitate to support Hillary if she was the

nominee?

[stratomagi]

42. Uhh HELLO?

Same party.


:think:

[Sonnenschein]

103. Hello, same party with whom if Hillary was the nominee, she said she

would hesitate to support her. So whom was she going to support?

[JAbuchan08]

149. First off, it was his WIFE, not him and his WIFE is not running for president

secondly Hillary's implicit support of McCain over Obama is consistent with many Democrats refusal to support her.

She is adding fuel to the charge that she would not be much different or better than the Republicans.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.

[D23MIURG23]

77. In that she wasn't subordinating Hillary to McCain.

Any other really obvious distinctions I can point out for you?

[Voice for Peace]

39. This is really low.

[Voice for Peace]

40. Robert DeNiro said it well, that if such experience is what we really need

then Dick Cheney would be the next president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akApqZPnyf4
Robert DeNiro endorses Barack Obama

[Bluenorthwest]

131. Dick Cheney and Obama agree

on gay marriage rights, as Obama puts it. Obama cites Cheney as a rational voice to uphold his own denial of equality for all. Cheney.
And frankly, the Obama backers bitching about Hagee are 100% without a righteous leg to stand on. Obama hired Fundies who attacked a minority under the very banner of the candidate. If you accepted that, calling out McCain for the same thing is simply hypocrisy of Republican proportions.

Obama stands with Cheney and McClurkin and Caldwell instead of Kucinich, Wright, and me. He said so.

The Obama camp looks like a man eating a Pork and Cheese sandwich and lecturing others on Kosher dining. Don't do as I do, do as i say...

[aein]

41. Hillary implies that Obama has not lived a whole lifetime yet!

[Ichingcarpenter]

43. Pastor Hagee can be their foreign policy advisor.

Since McCain has so much wisdom on foreign policy

[Emillereid]

44. She cares only about herself and doesn't give a shit if she brings the party

down with her. You know if Obama is the nominee McCain is going to play that clip over and over again. How democrats can support this traitor is beyond me.

Note how her experience in the Whouse House consisted of her 'watching' her husband - yeah, like that's a resume. Can I use my husband's resume too?

[understandinglife]

45. Let's chat about Shame, Hillary .... YOU OWN IT.

Yes. We. Will.

[WDIM]

46. Its no wonder she is endorsed by Limbaugh.

Limbaugh urges listeners to vote for Clinton

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/03/limbaugh-urges-listeners-to-vote-for-clinton/

[frog92969]

53. Thank you for that link!

Fascinating.:)

[rosesaylavee]

47. Stick a fork in her. Her political life is done.

And that's too bad as she had a lot of potential in the Senate.

[delt664]

48. If I said I would support Mc Cain over Hillary....

I would be jeered off this board.

Hillary implying that she would support McCain over Obama should be met with the same derision NO MATTER WHICH DEM YOU SUPPORT.

Now to address another issue : Every time Hillary refers to her husband being President as "Experience" all I can think of is my girlfriend. I am in the tech industry, but that doesnt mean she knows what a router does, let alone how to set up a network. My father has been in banking for almost 40 years. That doesnt mean that my mother knows anything about finance. Being around a job does not qualify you to go that job

IMHO Bill Clinton has been the best president this country has seen in my lifetime by far. But that doesnt mean you should to ride on his coattails. Make your own identity.

[Mrhyde719]

157. Amen to that!

I've been sayin' the same thig to my co-workers for weeks.

[clay1939]

49. hell yes

you can bet your a_ _ that he will win if clinton louse.

[existentialist]

50. Only very narrowly construed is that statement an endorsement

of McCain.

Still, it shows an attitude that I think is problematic.

Kind of reminds of Joe Lieberman, whom I also remember her supporting.

[KimberleeJean]

112. Kind of reminds of Joe Lieberman, whom I also remember her supporting.

Obama also supported Lieberman in the primary.

I'm surprised that, when Hillary's support of Lieberman is mentioned, this is not.

http://boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/


"The fact of the matter is, I know some in the party have differences with Joe. I'm going to go ahead and say it," Obama told the 1,700-plus party members who gathered in a ballroom at the Connecticut Convention Center for the $175-per-head fundraiser.

"I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate so he can continue to serve on our behalf," he said.


Also, IIRC, after the Primary Clinton threw her support behind Lamont, same as Obama (I believe)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14516618/

And yes, I know Lamont has endorsed Obama. I live in Connecticut.

[Pastiche423]

51. Tomorrow will be The day

for the Democratic Party, not the DLC. Hillary Clinton's desperation and selfishness is oozing out of every one of her pores. It is a sad and disgusting observation.

2008 is the year to retire the dynasties! No more status quo! No more Meet the new boss, same as the old boss!

[New Dawn]

52. Hillary Clinton = Republican

She used to just be "Republican Lite", but that description is no longer strong enough.

[frog92969]

57. DLC

Doing Like Conservatives

[Mosaic]

54. Clinton has earned my scorn

You don't go endorsing the enemy you stupid witch, you deserve your losses tomorrow.

[Beacool]

55. Oh please, stop overreacting and overreaching!!!

She never endorsed McCain, she simply stated a fact: she and Mccain have much more experience than Obama.

I know, I know, Obama was in the state senate, was a lecturer (he was not a professor)of constitutional law, etc., etc.


:eyes:

[Voice for Peace]

66. No, she was intentionally demeaning of Obama, contrasting him with

herself and John m'cain. It wasn't a cool thing to do.

[Bluenorthwest]

134. Sort of like

Obama saying Reagan was better than Bill Clinton?
To me, it is exactly the same thing.

[D23MIURG23]

76. It paints an unflattering portrait of her priorities.

She didn't endorse McCain, but she certainly did point to him as the more qualified between them.

Hillary seems to be forgetting where her allies are at the end of the day. She better hope they are still there by the time she remembers...

[humbled_opinion]

104. I guess Hillary and Bill don't need to be in the White House

To get a BJ they can just swing by your place anytime... :think:

[Diane R]

56. She's despicable.

[rosetta627]

60. Desperate and despicable

Ergo, I despise her.
Quite a lot actually.

[Arugula Latte]

62. Desperate and despicable and disgusting.

I have come to loathe her. Didn't want to, but now I do.

[humbled_opinion]

105. Her handlers are of the Karl Rove mold...n/t

[w13rd0]

58. I predict that the Clintons...

...will share a lunch table with Lieberman in 2012. They certainly seem to be drifting in that direction. The "if you won't play my way, I'll take my ball and go home" sorta way. Lieberman was a loyal, albiet conservative and spineless Democrat until the combination of 9-11 and having his party laugh him out of the 2004 nominations made him go stark raving nuts.

Will the Clintons follow suit?

[oasis]

59. Obama believes that politicians should "tell it like it is" and "not

just say what you think people want to hear".

Hillary's just "tellin' it like it is".:woohoo:

[Gore1FL]

74. According to Hillary, then

McCain is a better choice than her. He exceeds her in the reasons she states that she is better than Obama.

This is simply another illogical mistake she and her campaign has made in the long nomination process.

[NM Independent]

63. I've ripped some people a new one for saying they would..

...vote for McCain if either Obama or Clinton lost the nomination. I've told them that to do so would be tantamount to fucking TREASON, especially if they claim not to be an ignorant ass, or a conservative prick. To actually know anything about what is going on in the world, to know that the Republicans are marching down the road to a fascist state, and apparantly not fucking care.

Well, that's nothing less than hatred for flag, country, and constitution. I say again...TREASON.

I say AGAIN...and now she's officially on that list...fucking TREASONous shitsack (is THAT sexist?) with a face, and so are all who disagree (or your just fucking ignorant).

[yellerpup]

64. Un F***ing believable.

Never again for any post, for any reason, forever.

[dsharp88]

65. This depicts a level of DESPERATION more than disloyalty.

She's doing anything she can think of at this point to plausibly continue past 3/4/08.

[Hardrada]

69. Hill and Anne Coulter up in a tree

K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

[PetraPooh]

72. SHE SAID THAT TODAY!!!! OMG! How can anyone at DU vote for that ....n/t

[Buck Power]

73. Nice!

Check out my latest mashup here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x100620

[AGirl]

75. she's saying that she is a stronger candidate to go against McCain because she has experience

and Obama doesn't.

WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with that?

[gateley]

80. What the fuck is wrong with it is,

she brought McCain (the REPUBLICAN) into the equation. She's fighting against Obama, the other DEMOCRAT -

She ESSENTIALLY came out and said that both she and McCain had the chops, and Obama didn't.

If you honestly can't see what's wrong with it - I'm guessing we'll hear an earful tomorrow from some very important Democrats who are going to be PISSED. Maybe they can explain it to you.

[McCamy Taylor]

78. WTF! Hillary was talking about an eventual match up. Obama turned it into an attack ad.

[gateley]

81. Are you saying you wouldn't think it was slimy if

Obama said that instead of Hillary? Try to look at it objectively. For ANY candidate of one party to essentially say the nominee from the OTHER party is better than the other candidate (of the same party) is really, really bad form.

And Obama didn't turn it into an attack ad --the democrats are the ones up in arms. I'm not sure if Obama has responded to this yet.

[malik flavors]

85. Obama turned it into an attack ad? What the hell are you talking about?

Obama didn't have anything to do with this video. Duh.

[defendandprotect]

83. Randi Rhodes had a funny take on Clinton today . . .

if being the wife of a President can qualify you for president . . . How about Laura Bush?

Senator Clinton was trying to do harm to Obama but she again harmed herself ---

[smubossirossi]

84. ok...

at the beginning of this primary season I was more than willing to vote for edwards, obama or hillary with the same vigor but now voting for hillary I will have to hold my nose. Why you ask ? Because she is basically saying that experience in politics means more than have the same progressive ideals...john mccain has alot of experience... in giving tax cuts to the rich, not supporting a woman right to choose, not supporting universal health care, not protecting the environment, siding with corporations and lobbyists, not supporting unions and a load of other crap. When did hillary get so blinded by winning that she would go so negative and make comments like this one that will in no way help the Democratic Party. Please someone enlighten me as to how her grand standing and negative politics of late will be good for our party.

I consider my self to be a progressive (someone belonging to the democratic wing of the democratic party), I'm 21 year old woman from Texas and I have seen the evil that is George W. Bush almost my whole life, and I do not want another 4 yrs of republican rule, if Hillary cannot win by playing positive politics maybe she should reevaluate her campaign. We cannot grab defeat out of the jaws of victory, our country cannot afford it and for her to play games instead of focusing on the issues I think is disgraceful.

I am an obama supporter he is my second choice, I was first an edwards supporter and came to the decision based on obamas foreign policy advisor's (Samantha Powers) and the fact that he had academic economists as his economic advisor's (experts) which as an economic and public policy major was very important. I will eventually vote for whoever is the D nominee but I think the way Hillary has run her campaign speaks volumes about what she will be like as a president. My only hope is that progressives come out on top this time and not republicans or DLCers. As a young voter I am saddened by the negative tone Hillary's campaign has taken, as a woman and a democrat I would welcome her over McCain but now I feel she has been tainted by her negative campaigning, my heart will not be as jovial when I cast my ballot in November if she is the nominee.

rant over..

[JustDavid]

159. 21, huh?

:eyes:

[autorank]

86. There's simply no denying this. She's beneath contempt.

What a statement. She will live with this forever.

Just like the 92-00 period, it's all about the Clintons.

At the expense of the party and candidates, this behavior is dreadful.

She knows who she works for.

[LeftCoast]

92. YO! SHIT THROWERS! WHERE DOES CLINTON SAY SHE WOULD PREFER MCCAIN OVER OBAMA?

Nowhere, that's where.

Nice job, spinmeisters.

[happygoluckytoyou]

93. YEEHAH!! THE GOP IS DIVIDING THE DEMS ...

[shrub chipper]

110. Actually, you're wrong,

It's Hilary doing the dividing.

She just made an ad for the Repukes.

[Connonym]

94. What's really frightening about this is that it so closely follows Lieberman's effective defection

What the hell is happening to the Democratic Party when this is the lack of loyalty we see at the very upper ranks?

I'm not saying that it's wrong to say McCain is an experienced candidate or that he's even a good person but you don't follow it in the same breath by tearing down your own party's probable candidate. I attended an event (a few weeks before the WI primary) where Russ Feingold stated that Clinton and Obama would each make a good president, he even conceded that McCain was a good man and would be a good president but that if we want to see any kind of progressive change McCain wasn't the one who would provide it. I didn't see that statement as disloyal to the party but I sure as hell think Hillary has crossed a line here.

[Popol Vuh]

95. No Surprise

As pointed out by many of us, Hillary Clinton is the war Dem who's talked out both sides of her mouth with respect to Iraq and Iran. What else can I say besides I am not surprised one bit.

I think its most unfortunate that we're not having Kucinich running against Paul in the GE.

[NorthCarolina]

97. If Obama is the Nominee You Can Bet

that Republican attack ads will feature this clip of Hillary talking up McCain's qualifications over Obama's. It's inconceivable how STUPID the Dems have become. Now that the media has whittled the field down for us to only Corporate owned candidates, I can honestly say I am PROUD to have been a staunch supporter of Kucinich, the only candidate to show real leadership qualities, actual intelligence, true vision for a better America, and the will and compassion to make change happen. I can't believe it but I think the Repugs have learned to play and manipulate the Dems SO WELL, that the prospect of a Democratic White House...while once considered a "given"...may actually be a pipe dream.

[shrub chipper]

100. What is wrong with her?

She's too smart not to realize that would wind up in a Republican attack ad. The bottom line is that she doesn't care about the Party-she only cares about Hillary.

[dommyluc]

98. Fuck you, Hillary Clinton. Yeah, FUCK YOU!

I defended her and her husband for years, even tho they are not true Dems. I suppotred them because compared to the Rethugs they were the shining light of the Dems. I felt sorry for them because of the rotten press treatment until i realized that they weren't treated that way because they were the CLINTONS but because they were DEMOCRATS - at least to the eyes of the MSM. But they have turned into mirror images of the Bush family. They only care about themselves. Fuck the party and fuck the country, as long as we get what we want. They have that same sense of disgusting entitlement that Bush has. She only cares if SHE gets the nomination, no matter what effect it has on our chances in the GE. Remember, people, this isn't just about John McCain - this is also about the Supreme Court, which will be packed with RW crazies if McClueless gets the nod because Hillary doesn't care about the party or our chances.
And I don't want to hear people calling me some concern troll. I have voted Democratic since I turned 18 in 1974 and have ALWAYS voted Dem, and as often as I could for left/progressive candidates. And I have stood up for Hillary against the most shameful rumors and innuendos that anyone could face. But now I've had it. She and her handlers screwed up her own campaign - she has no one to blame but herself. Saying McCain would be a better president than Obama just made me seethe with anger. I wonder how many other Dems also feel betrayed by her actions after sticking up for her and her husband for so many years? If we lose in November because of her caustic attempts to derail Obama's campaign, I don't care how many Secret Service agents her and Bill have - if she comes within 3 feet of me I will spit in her face, as any traitor to my party and its goals deserves. She will become the most hated Democrat in the nation.
So fuck you, Hillary Clinton. Yeah, FUCK YOU!!!

[Amaya]

102. I have finally made up my mind-

before, I didn't care one way or the other about Hillary and Obama-
now I see how totally pathetic she is. She shows her weakness here.
she needs to retire!

[humbled_opinion]

106. Eggs Act Lee n/t

[Apollo11]

107. Are we supposed to say that John McCain lacks experience?

23 years in the the US Navy + 25 years in the US Congress = a lifetime of experience.

Saying that John McCain has a lifetime of experience is a statement of fact.

It does not make someone a Republican sympathizer.

[Megahurtz]

163. So why did she go out of her way to say it then?

There's your answer.

[Brotherjohn]

108. Does someone have a link to the whole video for context please?

I suspect from what I have read so far that this was CLEARLY not an "endorsement" of McCain, and is not, in fact, "Hillary Clinton picking John McCain over Barack Obama". It looks to me like she's talking about who would be a better matchup against McCain considering experience (and someone above pointed out that this is what she was asked about).

This being said, the "a speech" quote WAS a cheap shot at Obama and if she is trying to make her look like a better matchup against McCain, there would have been MUCH better ways of doing it than taking a shot at the other Dem and raising the Republican nominee. I don't think this makes her evil incarnate. I think it just continues to reveal her sub-par campaign tactics and more than a little desperation since she's lost so much ground to Obama lately.

But I think it's really high time people can the "despicable", "disgusting", "Hillary/Obama is the root of all evil" talk based on quotes taken out of context. I mean, we even have people (yesterday based on similar videos and quotes open to interpretation -- I'm not getting into that again) saying if she were the nominee, they'd work to DEFEAT her in November! That's doing exactly what we're condemning her for allegedly doing here (supporting McCain over the Dem nominee).

[trthnd4jstc]

116. Here, Here!

Please, fellow Democrats, remember, the Republicans are trolling all of the time. Everything we say can be used against us.

[Oilwellian]

123. LOL...indeed

I'm sure McCain will love using this clip against Obama in the GE.

[iamthebandfanman]

109. id hardly call it 'embracing'

but whatever makes you hate her more ;)


to me, the iraq vote is mute between obama and clinton. he wasnt there to do it, so we are only left to punish her for it.
lets remember A LOT of our fellow democrats voted for it.

wheres the outrage against all of them?
right, they arent running for president and arent women youve been taught to hate for the last 15 years.


oh well.
this election is a sham anyways.
corporate shill or corporate shill or hey, how bout some corporate shrill .

ill go back to knowing my role and pulling the party line now, even though they will throw us liberals to the curb like they do everytime.

p.s. and please dont say obama was against the iraq war. if you were smart and getting into national politics after 2002, you had better be anti-iraq war or the base woulda pushed him right off the stage.

[JeffWasHere]

113. just switched to Obama in the voting booth this morning

I was Hillary supporter until last night when I saw this video. I voted for Obama this morning in Columbiana County, Ohio. Negative campaigning is one thing, but endorsing McCain over Obama just crossed a line for me.

[wryter2000]

119. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[JeffWasHere]

153. thanks for the welcome

:woohoo:

[Hope And Change]

114. I can`t believe my eyes.Truly outrageous.First time see I this video...

and still can`t believe she said those words.Oh well, I have no words to express how pathetic this is...

[Gloria]

115. Obama picks GOP talking points over Democratic core values....

etc etc. Obama likes the way REAGAN operates, too...remember?? All those ideas pushed forward??

[Barack_America]

130. Lol! Replace "Obama" with "Clinton" and you have my thoughts exactly!

There is no greater GOP talking point than TERRA and she's bringing it up a whole lot lately.

[marions ghost]

121. Outrageous and really kind of stupid...

all candidates make mistakes, but not to see the dangers inherent in these remarks is just unwise.

Barack Obama's stock just went up. I can't imagine him being so foolish as to elevate John McCain at this point in the game, not in any way shape or form.

Hillary, full of experience but not so savvy. :thumbsdown:

[Stuckinthebush]

122. Stupid, stupid, stupid

If she loses the nomination (which is highly likely at this point), then she's poisoned the nom for Obama because she is on record as saying that McCain is better suited to be president than Obama. I can hear the McCain commercial now:

"...even a liberal Washington insider like Hillary Clinton agrees that Barack Hussein Obama doesn't have the experience to be president! Shouldn't we listen to someone from his own party? Americans can't roll the dice with Obama. Vote John McCain for experience you can trust."


God this was stupid. I hope every Dem in office denounces what she said.

[Zachstar]

126. That simulated Mccain ad made me turn pale.

Because the thing is that is actually a perfectly reasonable ad that I cannot blame him for after this.

Fuck you Clinton. You have made the GE into one of hell for the democrats now.

[flordehinojos]

125. first of all ... your intro is misleading ...

secondly, hillary does think john mccain has more experience in foreign policy than does BO.

Bravo! Hillary told the truth. BO can't seem to find his teeth to tell the truth. he changes his stances much like a chameleon changes his skin.

[Oilwellian]

127. Perhaps after she loses the nomination...

McCain can choose her as his VP.

[Buck Power]

128. Hillary

Ranked Obama behind McCain.

And just like McCain, Hillary has the WRONG sort of experience to lead us going forward. The kind of experience laying down for George W. Bush and the corporate profiteers, the kind of piss-poor judgement, and complete lack of ethics that make her and John McCain two peas in a fucking pod.

Here's my "truth": it goes Obama, McCain, THEN Hillary.

I can't bring myself to vote for McCain in November, but I CAN bring myself to stay home that day. Clinton will lose badly to McCain anyhow.

[Carolina]

146. not so fast

the stupid witch just shot herself in the foot, too. Because, if by hook or by crook, she becomes the nominee, McCain can now use HER very cheap shot words against HER. Imagine, her very speech being played in a McCain ad with a voice over that points out:

A) His life experience is greater (after all at 71, he has 11 more years of life over her 60)
B more importantly) His experience is real, bona fide not derivative, based on his spouse's job

Her kitchen sink crap is gonna come right back at HER!

[KimberleeJean]

129. I'm outraged

that Obama called McCain "a genuine American Hero." He was clearly implying that Hillary is not a genuine American.

[AllexxisF1]

133. Wow...

Good luck with that reasoning.

Hillary has just shown her cards....being elected is worth more than the party. She is an opportunist and deserves to be bitched slapped tonight at the polls. Fuck you Hillary, you just proved just how un-electable you really are.

[KimberleeJean]

135. I should have added the sarcasm tag

but I figured it was obvious.

My bad.

Are you gonna "bitch slap" me for it, too?

[ForeignSpectator]

168. With what some post here not sooo obvious... take a look around

;-) :hi:

[IronLionZion]

137. McCain has the type of experience we can do without.

I caucused for Barack Obama. Obama will win today and in November.

This Asian Catholic tells John McCain to go fuck himself hard, since he is such a racist bigoted ill-tempered old bastard. The "gooks" hate him too.

[dbonds]

138. Hillary is for Hillary, not Democratic Party.

At least sometimes the party gets to go along for the ride.

[kotsu]

139. Good Grief!

Reeeeealy stretching for those last minute slams. I will sure be interested to know if DU will return to normal after tomorrow, or if it has been destroyed beyond all repair.

[Divine Discontent]

140. Hillary is a DINO, good point.

The fact that she also, on 2nd viewing, made a point to say about McCain having experience, "that he will bring to the White House"


:puke:

[IsItJustMe]

141. HRC never ceases to amaze me. How low can she go? Pretty damn low.

[JKaiser]

144. Take this down! This is democratic underground. We don't attack other dems!

IF you want to attack someone attack John McCain!

[Yes We Did]

147. That's how I thought it was supposed to be.

I hope Hope will take your advice.

[Phoonzang]

145. Looks like scorched earth tactics

If she can't have the presidency, she's going to make damn sure Obama doesn't have it either.

[stillrockin]

151. This is unforgivable.

[Zambero]

152. A nice sound byte for the GOP's fall campaign!

Thanks a bunch Hillary. Now we know what "kitchen sink" meant. You're just about toast as far as securing the Democratic nomination goes, so it sounds like you're good and ready to join colleague Joe Lieberman in bolting to the GOP side. Perhaps you're sucking up to McCain for consideration of a spot on his ticket. Just go for it. You, Joe, and McCain deserve each other.

[Cary]

156. Her demeanor in the waning days of her campaign is a disappointment. n/t

[SleeplessinSoCal]

158. This is the most troubling thing she has done under pressure - so far

[Poll_Blind]

160. Even I wouldn't have predicted she would say something like this.

  There are a million ways to say what she meant to say without saying it the way that she did.

  But it wasn't an accident. It wasn't a slip of the tongue. I've seen the Clinton campaign sling mud and worse...but this is very much over the line. I don't have much beyond that, I still can't believe she said it- and probably wouldn't if I hadn't seen the video with my own eyes.

  I guess this really means there isn't going to be a bottom on how low the Clinton campaign will go.

  Next up: Clinton, drummed out of the race for the nomination, becomes an independent and runs with McCain? I doubt it but with comments from her like those, we're entering that sick Lieberman-style territory.

:puke:

PB

[nebula]

161. Shillary actively working for McCain campaign

she knows she has no chance in hell of winning the nomination, so her relentless
smear campaign against Obama is intended to help McCain.

Shillary should consider running as McCain's VP on the GOP ticket.

[Tarc]

162. The OP is lying through his teeth

But when have the facts ever been of interest to the O-Bots?

[BREMPRO]

166. UNFORGIVABLE disrespect for a fellow democrat, dismissing Obama's life work

and supporting McCain. She's digging her own political grave, OR perhaps a tunnel to republicanland. I'm disgusted.

[Megahurtz]

167. I cannot believe my eyes and ears!

Hillary is a traitor, and all too willing to usher in the NWO anyway.

Go home, Hillary. You are done.

[amborin]

169. but Obama Praised Reagan, not the New Deal

how's that for being a traitor to progressive values?

[Poll_Blind]

171. Reagan ain't running in 2008. But McCain IS and Clinton's praise of...

...him and her huge disrespect for Obama is sickening. I'm generally against blind loyalty to the party but for fuck's sake if you're a Democrat you don't praise your Republican opponent's experience while shitting on your Democratic rival.

  It's just unconscionable. But the Clinton campaign, especially now, have no conscience and no shame.

  Will Hillary Clinton stoop lower? Stay tuned!

PB