Obama & Wright - Just words

[jackson_dem]

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Given the youtube name of the person it is a rethug who made it but that doesn't detract from the comedic value and, more importantly, from the damage "Just Words" will do to Obama. Obama himself is the one who has talked repeatedly about the importance of words. He can't now switch course and in response to pastorgate just say, well, they were "just words".

[jgraz]

1. How appropriate for you to be posting rethug videos

Doesn't the fact that you're suddenly in agreement with so many right-wingers give you the slightest moment of pause?

[virtualobserver]

2. it's all about winning, isn't it....

nothing else matters.

[jgraz]

4. That would make sense if they were actually winning

Now it's just about spite and hatred and giving voice to the all the twisted shit these people carry around inside themselves.

[virtualobserver]

7. true, I didn't mean to imply that they were actually winning......

just that winning was the only important issue. I am grateful to Hillary for showing her true colors in this campaign. I no longer have any illusions about her.

[jackson_dem]

6. Yes, if we lose to McCain nothing we did this campaign matters

That is why we must vet both candidates and select the stronger one. Pastorgate, if not dealt with successfully by Obama, may be dispositive.

[jgraz]

8. I'm sure Barack appreciates the fact that you're there for him

:eyes:

[virtualobserver]

10. Obama will be just fine.

It's Hillary's soul that I'm worried about.

[kelligesq]

53. Buh - Bye Obama. time his colors showed. Doesnt give any

of you pause that you want to elect a guy who wont reject his mentor, an America
hater?

No I suppose not.

Kool-Aid morons

[pocoloco]

54. "an America hater"

Jesus moran get a brain.

It's about hating what America does to people here and abroad, not hating America...duuuh.

[dchill]

35. Oh, so you're doing him a !11!!HUGH!!!11 favor.

You are so very droll. Vet my ass.

[doc03]

14. Yes it is, the GE and Obama will not win. n/t

[virtualobserver]

20. we shall see..

n/t

[ihavenobias]

39. Every time someone posts this, just post this in response

McCain has far more to worry about in the crazy rev. department: http://youtube.com/watch?v=vo1fRjw2DsE&feature=user

[jgraz]

42. No, he doesn't.

You know why? Because as long as Hillary continues this useless, destructive, spiteful exercise in futility, St. John continues to get a free ride in the press.

And she knows it.

[ihavenobias]

43. I'm saying in the general *if* the campaign works as it should against McCain

Obama should be fine. But yes, in the short run this is damaging.

What a fool that man was for making those stupid comments.

[greyghost]

48. Obama was real smart for staying with him.

[greyghost]

47. Hey Carnac give it a rest. NE was going to be 19-0 and Foreman

was going to kill Ali. So much for predictions.

[anonymeme]

57. The Same Ol' Song About Anyone NOT Pro-Obama Is Racist, a Repug or a Troll is Gettin' Old. jgraz.

The Same Ol' Song About Anyone NOT Pro-Obama Is Racist, a Repug or a Troll is Gettin' Old. jgraz.

The poster noted it was written by a Repug, but that it was true anyway... and it is.

The Truth is the Truth in sunlight or darkness, fresh air or a vacuum.

Obama who has been saturated with the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright for 20 years, has told us over and over that words are very important. Now he cannot down play the words of the "good" Rev.

[doc03]

3. That video alone ran by a swift-boat group

for McCain will defeat Obama.

on edit: After Edwards dropped out I visited the TUCC website and didn't like the obvious racism from Rev. Wright myself. One thing for sure the Republicans will use this.

[jackson_dem]

5. Exactly. Only a couple of Obama supporters get it

[doc03]

9. There are a couple that get it? n/t

[virtualobserver]

11. what you may not get is that the nature of the attacks......

don't matter. Just the response.

[Maureen1322]

29. Obama needs to get out in front of this

and all this crap between the two of them has got to stop. We simply cannot let a Rethug take the WH.

[pedo]

16. i understand

that these kind of things will be used against obama. i just think americans won't fall for it. they've already thrown all kinds of shit at obama, like the madrasa thing, the national anthem thing, the somali garb thing, etc. it hasn't worked so far.

[Tyler Durden]

33. You should drop by where I work.

Personally, I think anyone who thinks this will blow over has completely purged the "Swiftboaters for Truth" affair from their heads.

Obama MUST deal with this. If he minimizes it, HE WILL LOSE.

People are not as "smart" as you want to think they are.

[waiting for hope]

36. Really?

When I was phone banking for Edwards in South Carolina, there were quite a few seniors that thought and convinced Obama was Muslim. You really need to get out more.

[pedo]

45. i'm not saying it won't fool anyone

i've met lots of people that think he's muslim too. my point was that he's still winning.

[ihavenobias]

38. Hagee's Rev's comments were MUCH worse

Because not only does he bash Muslims and gays (which many sadly won't care about) and Catholics (which many WILL care about), but he also wants more war in the Middle East. He wants to expedite the rapture, and has basically said so.

Clearly this is a bigger thread, and is information that needs to be spread far and wide.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vo1fRjw2DsE&feature=user

[greyghost]

50. This is one of Rove's wet dreams.

[pedo]

12. what he said was true

except the part about jesus being black... did he mean it literally, or did he mean jews were in a similar situation as black people? this country is controlled by rich white people though. and hillary can't possibly know what its like to be black.

[leftofcool]

13. Says the good reverend

who owns a mercedes and lives in a 750,000 home

[doc03]

17. He lives by the old Rev. Ike philosophy, the best

thing I can do for the poor people is not be one of them.

[pedo]

18. ad hominem much?

[Tyler Durden]

34. It's not ad hominem if it's TRUE.

Is it true?

[nxylas]

37. Who says an ad hominem has to be untrue?

Ad hominem simply means attacking the messenger rather than the message, eg: "Global warming can't be true because Al Gore lives in a big house".

[Tyler Durden]

40. My mistake....

What I meant to say, is that it is TRUE that Reverend lives that way, and because of that, his message could be "The Sky is Blue" and detractors will shoot holes in it.

It doesn't help that it appears he has profited very nicely from the Market while attacking the the country, whether what he says is true or not.

[jackson_dem]

15. And Obama just happened to slip through white's net?

Yes, whites predominate among the elite but if they were as oppressive as Wright alleges Obama would have never gotten off the ground let alone be the favorite as of right now to become president.

Besides, if Obama's defense to pastorgate is going to be whites have too much power he is done. After all, as Wright would note, three out of four voters is white.

I am not sure but he seems to suggest whites have congenital racism given his comments about the Romans and Italians. Notice he didn't limit it to the specific group, the Romans. He had to point out their race. Europe indeed was racist--so was Asia and Africa.

[doc03]

19. Gee how did Oprah Winfrey, Tiger Woods,

Micheal Jordon, Micheal Jackson and hundreds of other rich black people makeit through that net. I'm a poor white person I guess I should blame those rich black people for keeping me down.

[aquart]

24. No, just what it's like to be a woman.

You wouldn't THINK of treating Obama the way you do Hillary Clinton.

Racism bad. Sexism just peachy.

[doeadeer]

26. No, just what it's like to be a woman.

Right on.

[aquart]

25. Leave the Jews out of this discussion please.

2000 years of persecution were quite enough, thank you.

[rambler_american]

31. Assuming there was actually a historic Jesus,

he may well have been black.
So What?

[TML]

21. It's interesting that you chose

Your avatar based on someone who's best remember for removing Indians off their land. Oh, and for being shot.

[jackson_dem]

22. St. Obama on the actual founder of the Democratic party

(Jefferson's party split into two. Our party originated with the Jackson wing of Jefferson's old party. The Adams-Clay wing became the Whigs.)

Notice Obama mentioned only four Democratic presidents? They must have been pretty good, at least in Obama's mind to warrant that. Why no reference to Grover Cleveland, Jimmy Carter, James Monroe, or Franklin Pierce?

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

That is a high compliment. Taking back the WH for the people. Isn't that what Obama says he wants to do?

[jackson_dem]

23. Are you Canadian by the way?

[TML]

44. No

[susankh4]

27. Ouch.

We are doomed in Novemebr. Even Obama's supporters are saying so.

How is the Dem party gonna get out of this one?

[NickMorgan]

52. Nonsense

McCain has already said he won't harp on this, and with good reason: he's in even deeper doo-doo with Hagee. Plus, Obama has already done a great job handling this in the press. Which "Obama's supporters" think we are doomed because of scurrilous innuendo and guilt-by-association attacks like this?

[susankh4]

58. Hagee is nothing to McCain

he barely knows the man. Certainly is not a member of his church. Wasn't married by him. I could go on. But, suffice to say that there is a BIG difference between receiving an endorsement from a stranger, and attending services led by one's own pastor (and spiritual mentor) for 20 years.

I will agree that McCain is not likely to make an issue of it. Just all of his friends in the media will. And that will be plenty.

[NickMorgan]

60. the historic significance of Wright

That is a fair point, but I don't think that is the distinction that ultimately matters. Instead, this is really about how the American public will respond to Wright's message and what it tells us about the anger and sense of betrayal that many in the black community still feel in light of our country's very troubled historical treatment of African Americans. It's easy to dismiss Wright, as many have, as racist, divisive, and nasty -- someone we can condemn and ignore. But I think the reason we're so hasty to dismiss him has less to do with what is wrong about his statements and more to do with what is justifiable in his feelings.

Already the press is starting to acknowledge some perspective on this. It's not as if Wright was hurling violent slurs based on racial animus. He was expressing a rather understandable anger shared by many blacks of his generation who grew up in a United States that treated African Americans like shit. That is a fact and it is likewise a fact that the United States has only very recently (the 60s, for goodness sakes, a century after after Emancipation) made significant civil rights progress. Does that mean Wright's views are acceptable? No, it doesn't. But it certainly gives them a context and makes them far less nasty than, say, a white congregation spewing anti-black sentiment.

So people can sanctimoniously fault Obama for refusing to break ties with this pastor, and claim that any right-minded person would refuse to attend a church with such occasional associations to this kind of black anger, but let's not pretend it tells us anything about Obama's character besides the fact that he forgives people like his angry pastor for their shortcomings and doesn't let anger and divisiveness overwhelm his own love for the country that gave him so much hope -- a country whose history he reads with remarkable optimism not as a helpless history of oppression and racial injustice, but as a history of social movement toward justice and beyond the divides that have plagued us from the founding of this country. If there is one message on which Obama has been consistent since long before his presidential candidacy, it is this message: that unity is the key to progress; that togetherness makes us powerful; that political divisiveness and fear set us back.

I will not abandon my support for Barack Obama at this critical moment, when the forces of fear, guilt, and divisiveness are flaring up, and I don't think the party will abandon him either, because already he is responding with the kind of leadership we need, a leadership that rises above blame, finger pointing, and the expression of anger, and instead shows that we always have the choice to respond not with anger and further divisiveness, but with acceptance of those we disagree with for the greater purpose of embracing our shared destinies.

[indimuse]

28. obama can not win ge...!

been saying this for month's. maybe now his fans will see what the hell i've been talking and posting about.

[durrrty libby]

30. Obama's goose is cooked. Time for him to step down

[greyghost]

49. ROFLMAO! How's it feel Obamanites?

[myhawgoff]

32. Words don't matter?

Has anyone seen the video of Dr. Wright telling his flock that the HIV virus was created in a lab by rich white privileged scientists and somehow (he did not explain this part) got it into the bodies African Americans?

But hey, that's what I love about free speech, it makes the morons easy to identify. :crazy:

[Tyler Durden]

41. Oh THAT will work...NOT.

Obama, FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY, has to jettison this man. Immediately and violently.

[chascarrillo]

46. I don't think someone approvingly reposting videos by "DemocratsHateTheUS" belongs on this board.

But that's just my opinion, man.

[NickMorgan]

51. Of Course Words Matter

Obama is right that words matter, and that's why he has rejected his pastor's ugly speech in no uncertain terms. There is no evidence that Obama believes any of Wright's nasty views, and if anyone here has a shred of evidence that Obama attended a Wright sermon that included these ugly views, let's see it. This kind of "guilt-by association" is beneath us. Are you saying every catholic is a pedophile? The video link below is what Obama really feels about race. It's an absolutely beautfiul speech he gave on MLK day and I encourage everyone, whether his fans or enemies, to do yourself the credit of watching the whole thing so you can decide on his character based on what he says and believes not some other person. And after watching it I believe you will have little doubt that Barack Obama is deeply committed to acceptance, unity, forgiveness, and hope in the United States. There is not a single trace of the anger, racial divisiveness, or personal attacks in Wright's sermon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf0x_TpDris&eurl=

[ksquire]

55. Wright for PreZ!!! to bad Obama had to distance himself...

good to hear the truth about america finally out there. it does stink that Obama had to distance himself... i think most anyone with a passing familiarity with american history would understand where wright is coming from.

[Skip Intro]

56. I couldn't watch it all. Fuck him.

Disgusting.

No reason to slam Hillary like that. No reason for that.


Yeah, Obama, they're just words.

That's what offended me, more than the "God Damn America" bullshit. This guy went after Hillary. At the pulpit. As if it was God's will that Obama be elcected, and Hillary's responsible for all the suffering of the blacks. Racist bullshit, and I don't mind one bit calling him on it. Fuck that dude.

[rocktivity]

59. "Just words" was HILLARY'S idea

which she came up with because her own words aren't as effective. Besides, if they're just words--words that are NOT Obama's--how can also you say they matter to the point that they can become someone else's responsibility? You can't have it both ways. This video outsmarts itself.

:crazy:
rocknation