Compare Obama's "unity" rhetoric to him choosing to go to a racist church for two decades

[jackson_dem]

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This is the latest example of Obama saying one thing and doing another. We have NAFTAgate, Power admitting his Iraq platform was "just words" and inconsistency between his rhetoric and record, such as on trade. His next book should be called the Audacity of Hypocrisy.

[virtualobserver]

1. she also said that Hillary was a monster.

Was she right about that too?

[DJ13]

2. LOL

:popcorn:

[jackson_dem]

3. Did she have access to the monster factory's inner circle and planning?

Nice dodge. Face it the guy is a hypocrite. How can you talk about "unity" and "post-racial politics" in public and then go to a racist church for two decades, a church he gave $25,000 to just last year.

[TML]

4. And your candidate is any better?

[jackson_dem]

5. Edwards got a haircut. Obama is a hypocrite on something that may kill him with 75% of voters

As to my second choice Hillary, same thing. Obamites, aside from literally one hand's worth, fail to recognize the political implications of pastorgate and Obama's hypocrisy.

[TML]

14. Clintonistas like you

don't understand that they're going to tear apart the Democratic party as we know it, and hand the election to McCain.

[jackson_dem]

18. Obama would be McCain's dream come true. Only Hillary can save us from a President McCain

[virtualobserver]

6. Give me an example of something that Wright said....

that you can prove to be false.

[jackson_dem]

8. Perfect example of an Obamite not getting the political ramifications of it

Go ahead. Make the case Wright was right on everything he said. See what that does to Obama's poll numbers...

[virtualobserver]

9. you are calling him a racist.....

make your case.

[jackson_dem]

12. You still don't get it. This isn't going be a trial on Wright

There won't be witnesses, no opening and closing arguments. How disconnected from the real word are Obama supporters? Post that video on any neutral message board and see what reaction you get...

As to the racism of Wright, saying "white America" is to blame for 9/11 certainly qualifies, at least outside of Obama's blogosphere supporters. What happened to one America, Barack? You know, what you often talk about in public.

[TML]

15. You don't get it.

Where is the part where he used the words "white" and "America" in the same sentence together?

Don't try to bamboozle us. We're not falling for it.

[jackson_dem]

17. Oh. So you are defending Obama on pastorgate without knowing anything about the pastor

Typical...

Straight from the church's magazine:
http://www.cmaucc.org/EMRJeremiahWright2.pdf

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just “disappeared” as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

What happened to One America, Barack?

[virtualobserver]

19. you claimed that he said....

"white America" is to blame for 9/11

your quote says "white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01."

do you have another quote?

[jackson_dem]

22. Did you read what he said after that?

When you blame someone's actions for something happening to them what does that mean? If a woman is raped and you say "Yeah, but your skirt was too high!" are you blaming her? You didn't directly blame her, right? So does it qualify as blaming her? It does in the real world.

[virtualobserver]

27. yes I did read it.

Huge difference from your phrasing.

[jackson_dem]

31. What is your interpretration of what he said?

[virtualobserver]

36. That we got a "wake up call"........

America has been tending to its own interests, It is saying that we were not aware, not that we were to "blame".

[jackson_dem]

39. We? He singled out 1 race

But that isn't racist according to obamites...

If you can spin his comments as not blaming America for 9/11 good for you but most voters will disagree. ABC News ran a story saying he said America was to blame for 9/11. The only real question is how closely folks associate Wright with Obama.

[virtualobserver]

43. Even with your one person crusade.......

they won't.

Wright is a product of his time, and Obama is a product of his own time. It is Obama's job to transcend all of this nonsense about race.

[jackson_dem]

44. So why are Obamites getting so emotional and upset about the Wright threads?

Just like your candidate: say one thing, do another.

It is funny you use the "transcending race" talking point. We know that is what Barack says in public but once again his actions don't match his words. You can't talk about a "post-racial" politics in public after endorsing a racist pastor for two decades in private. Obama still hasn't severed ties with his mentor/pastor. He is only being kept under the radar--well was until now--for the campaign and Wright has basically said this.

You haven't explained why it is not racist to single out one racial group and pinning 9/11 on them. Maybe Barack should have pulled him aside after the speech or the following week and gave him his "One America" spiel?

[virtualobserver]

45. your cynicism explains......

why you support Hillary.

you endlessly return to your rigid talking points.

[aquart]

47. Then why did Obama bring his daughters to this church and this pastor?

If he did NOT intend to pass Wright's message to the next generation?

[jackson_dem]

48. Because he believes in "unity" and a "post-racial" politics

Please ignore what he does and just listen to his eloquent words.

[aquart]

53. Eh, a two-bit televangelist is not "eloquent" to me.

[Donnachaidh]

50. *bamboozle*? Time to put back away from the koolaid bar

Got them talking points down already, eh? :rofl: :rofl:

[TML]

54. Let me translate

We won't be fooled. Good enough for you?

[virtualobserver]

16. he isn't Barack and that isn't Barack's statement

so Barack doesn't have to answer for it.

But what is the exact quote of his statement about "white america" and 9/11.

[dchill]

7. "racist church"

You obviously have no regard for the history of black churches in this country - like, for instance, how and why they came to exist. You don't know shit from shinola, and your words reek of baseless bigotry.

[jackson_dem]

10. Are you a minority?

Let me guess: you aren't but enjoy feeling high and mighty over defending racists like Wright.

I am and Wright is a racist and hence the church is racist given his leadership of it. Most black churches, like churches of any stripe, are not racist. Obama CHOSE to go to one with a racist at the helm. That is poor judgment and downright hypocritical given his political rhetoric about "unity"...

[dchill]

23. So, it IS you who are the bigot.

I've never been a bigot, but in this kind of thread I'm definitely a minority. You're making yourself seem more like a Freeper than some Freepers.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=105183&mesg_id=105183

[jackson_dem]

What kind of drunken rant is that post?

Run time: 05:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5daX7T_1bM   Posted on YouTube: January 20, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 14, 2008 By DU Member: jackson_dem Views on DU: 1732

 
Reply when sober.

[dchill]

29. I don't drink.

I THINK!

Try it.

[jackson_dem]

34. You claimed I know nothing about bigotry and its history

And proceeded to call me a bigot for not accepting the feel good doctrine you subscribe to. I know our history. I know more about racial bigotry than you will probably ever know. Your great Wright would probably agree with that statement, but if it makes you feel "enlightened" to defend the likes of Wright and Farrakhan be my guest. True anti-racist folks would denounce all racists, not coddle and rationalize some.

[dchill]

37. Pathetic.

I never claimed any such thing about "bigotry and its history" - nor did I "defend the likes of Wright and Farrakhan" - but I would if I felt the need. Being black and lashing out at obvious white bigotry is not racist. Making unsubstantiated claims of racism for political vanity is racist. I have no knowledge of your knowledge of racial bigotry - I only know what I read in your posts. It is plenty for me to be able to see your bigotry. Face it - for you and your HRC dittoheads, this isn't about racism, it's about TARRING Barack Obama with the brush the Clinton campaign handed you, already dripping.

[jackson_dem]

40. Aw, you are so "enlightened." Wright is a poor ole' victim

Him and his $750,000 house and Mercedes. Wright has crossed the line several times from criticizing racism in society to being a racist himself and everyone outside of Obamanation, much of which adheres to the chic philosophy that folks like Wright deserve a free pass on racism, will recognize it. The only question is whether voters associate Obama with Wright's bigotry.

I've spent years fighting bigotry and will continue to do so until I go to the grave. I don't need lectures about why I am denouncing bigotry from someone who defends bigotry. :eyes:

[dchill]

46. I am as "enlightened" as I need to be...

to see through your paltry excuses for righteous indignation, but admittedly not as enlightened as I would "hope" to be. Your post is pure political assassination, nothing more, nothing less. You need to jump off the Freeper train and never look back. That's sincere advice. Think about it - you know nothing about me, for I have told you nothing, yet your wildly inaccurate ass-umptions are outrunning your intellect.

[madrchsod]

26. "Wright is a racist and hence the church is racist given his leadership of it".

what gives you the right to pass judgment over the people who attend this church

[jackson_dem]

28. Each voter has a right to make his or her decision.

I trust the voters to make the correct decision on Wright. The extent to which they will associate it with Obama himself is up in the air.

Yeah, non-racists go hear a bigot speak all the time. I am sure Hillary attends Klan rallies. :eyes:

[tularetom]

11. Hillarity fucked up with Ferraro

She wears her heart on her sleeve. Obama is a bit more mature in the expression of his feelings as an adult should be.

The cases are not equivalent. Wright did not attack Hillarity directly.

[jackson_dem]

13. They aren't. One is a random supporter. The other is the mentor/pastor of Obama

A pastor who spewed racist rhetoric for two decades yet Mr. Unity, Mr. Post-racial politics was there Sunday after Sunday...

[tularetom]

20. Um the dude in your avatar thought Native Americans were subhuman

and should be moved out of the way to make room for white settlers by any means possible. I have no idea what he thought about blacks but he probably hated their guts as well. In other words, a racist bigot. So I find it somewhat difficult to swallow your judgment as to who is and is not racist.

[jackson_dem]

25. Damn. So you don't accept Obama's judgment on racial matters either?

He also counts racists Jefferson and FDR as heroes, as well as JFK who appointed some segregationists. Obama probably is a student of history and places folks in the context of their time. I know it is chic in some circiles to diss all of our national heroes from the 17th and 18th centuries but apparently Obama does not share that warped view of history by which everyone sucks because the world always evolves and no one, not even you, will not be seen as backwards in the future. It is interesting, though, that among this circle while Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln, not to mention the other Founding Fathers like Madison are vilified FDR is hailed as a hero. FDR supported segregation and viewed the Japanese about the same way Jackson viewed Native Americans. Yet FDR is the favorite president of this circle? Hypocrisy anyone?

Obama mentioned four Democratic presidents. There have been nineteen. Clearly he thinks they were good. Why didn't he limit himself to Carter and Clinton? Well oops. Carter ran as a racist in Georgia. At least we have Bill Clinton! Oh wait. Bill Clinton, too, is a fallen former hero as he is called a racist by Obamanation.

-snip-

This is our moment. This is our time for change. Our party - the Democratic Party - has always been at its best when we've led not by polls, but by principle; not by calculation, but by conviction; when we've called all Americans to a common purpose - a higher purpose.

We are the party of Jefferson, who wrote the words that we are still trying to heed - that all of us are created equal - that all of us deserve the chance to pursue our happiness.

We're the party of Jackson, who took back the White House for the people of this country.

We're the party of a man who overcame his own disability to tell us that the only thing we had to fear was fear itself; who faced down fascism and liberated a continent from tyranny.

And we're the party of a young President who asked what we could do for our country, and the challenged us to do it.

That is who we are. That is the Party that we need to be, and can be, if we cast off our doubts, and leave behind our fears, and choose the America that we know is possible. Because there is a moment in the life of every generation, if it is to make its mark on history, when its spirit has to come through, when it must choose the future over the past, when it must make its own change from the bottom up.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/02/obamas_speech_to_virginias_jef.html

I've lived with racism for over two decades. You?

[tularetom]

32. Four decades

I had people make death threats to my wife and kids because I sold a piece of property to a black man in 1968.
In the town I grew up in. From people who knew me my whole fuckin life. from friends of my dad. From people I hauled hay for. From my high school football coach who didn't seem to mind African Americans on his teams. Changed my whole view of my childhood, friend.

I haven't experienced it on a daily basis but you don't forget what our family experienced.

[jackson_dem]

35. Every thinking person is qualified to judge who is racist

Racism is not limited to any particular group despite some of the claims made by supporters of one presidential candidate. It is idiotic for someone to say you are not qualified to do so because you don't experience it consistently. I simply offered my experience to show I damn well know a bigot when I see one and Wright is one.

What do you think about Obama's thoughts on Jackson as well as Jefferson, FDR, and to a lesser extent JFK? Even JFK would not pass the muster under 2008 standards, especially on sexism.

[madrchsod]

21. so you attended his church for the last 20 years?

interesting.....

[emilyg]

24. I would have left that church after sermon 1.

[jackson_dem]

30. Almost any person who isn't a racist would have

I am sure Obama will easily be able to explain to the people why he attended such a church for two decades despite Wright's bigotry...No Obamite has been able to offer any explanation that will fly. The most common reply has been "Wright is right!". Yeah, try selling his views in Harrisburg or Scranton...Others think the association over two decades and the fact Wright is not just his pastor but his mentor and spiritual guide who brought him to Christianity is not close enough to matter. For some maybe but for some others it will be close enough to be significant. No defense has been offered to deal with those folks.

[dchill]

38. Member of HRC Finance Committee = random supporter.

Oh, you are so FAIR & BALANCED I think I'll just call you Fox.

[jackson_dem]

41. How many committees do campaigns have? How many people serve on them?

How well do the candidates know those folks? Exactly...Compare that to someone who is someone's pastor and mentor.

[dchill]

42. Probably some "random" number, I guess, Fox.

[ChazII]

33. Youtube. What did we ever do without it? n/t

[TML]

49. You post a lot of nonsense

Either you don't have a job, or HRC pays you to do this. Which one is it?

[noiretextatique]

51. some people don't understand the history of black radicalism

or the present reality of it. someone else posted one of mlk's speeches here, and despite the whitewashing of his image, reading that speech makes it clear that mlk was not "mainstream" by any stretch of the imagination.
i have no problem with obama's association with wright, but i can see why others might.

[Cronus Protagonist]

52. Calls for unity give me the heebie jeebies, and that scares me about Obama

Where is there room for dissent in unity? Where is there room for discussion? Room for differing points of view? None. Unity is not a good thing, it is not something that can be achieved without a great cost to the most disenfranchised among us. It's shameless for a politician in this day and age to call for such a thing.

"Unity" is not a horse I want to ride home on. I prefer DIVERSITY.