Even Obama's stronghold, personal "Fox" MSNBC is covering Obama's racist pastor/mentor now

[jackson_dem]

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I would be surprised if the nightly newscasts don't cover it tonight. If they don't we will know why...

[Dinger]

1. That's Pretty Much It (nt)

[gasperc]

2. oh brother

there is a certain ridiculousness to this

[jackson_dem]

3. How naive is Obama? He has been a politician for a decade

He didn't realize this may come back to haunt him--especially given his public rhetoric about "unity" and "moving beyond race"?

[gasperc]

4. oh yeah, the pastor is on his paid staff, NOT

sorry, I don't see how every person that has brushed up against Obama, implies that is what Obama believes or ascribes to.
The Catholic church and preist that I am a member of is virluently anti-abortion, goes on and on about it almost every freaking week, they have held anti-abortion protests in front of the church, gross pictures and all, so if I ever decide to run for office am I attached to my church's beliefs? Is the Democratic party gonna hang this around my neck?

[natjackm92]

7. Religion and politics

I believe that someone who considers their pastor their mentor, friend, and inspiration should have to explain why they are associating themselves with someone making racist, inflammatory comments. He is closely associated with Obama and his family. If you do not want to be associated with your church's beliefs, you have a choice whether you want to stay or not. The fact that he chose to remain for 20 years calls into question some of his belief system. It is fair. Hillary and Bill have been called racist, etc. for months. They are not racists. I think everyone knows that, but the talking heads have gone on and on and on.... Sorry, Obama. This won't just go away anymore than any of the Clinton supporter comments did. No free pass this time.

[gasperc]

14. Hagee and McCain sitting in a tree...K I S S I N G

Hagee has called me a what? whore? thinks America was founded to destroy Islam?

Not a peep from McCain, nor will there be, because McCain is an asshole

[Eric Condon]

21. Exactly.

The problem is, I bet you could count the number of McCrazed supporters who were actually offended by Hagee's comments on one hand, if that.

[nels25]

11. Sigh - I had a good friend of mine last night

chortle about double standards and us Democrats this week.

First he noted the whole spitzer mess.

Then he spoke about if Obama's pastor was a Caucasian pastor for say Bush or McCain that we (Democrats) would go ape s&^% about it.

You know I hate to admit it but he has a point, and one we would do well to acknowledge.

Consider this that we as progressives are only to happy to hang Abranoff et al around the GOP.

When one of ours get caught in bind are we to look the other way?

This is what makes it so hard for me to make head way with some of my long time friends who have drifted to the GOP.

Brother!!

[krkaufman]

52. What double standard?

If anyone is defending Spitzer, then they're idiots. He's a ridiculous hypocrite and needs to be out-of-office.

Re: Wright... I'm in need of additional data, 'cause the above clips certainly don't seem damning. And are nothing like Hagee's specific rants against the Catholic church.

The only controversy seems to stem from Wright being a passionate black man saying what he thinks, and what he thinks* being contrary to what we're allowed to perceive as conventional wisdom.

* i.e. US foreign policy blowback may have been a contributing factor in the 9/11 attacks

[gasperc]

13. the irrelevance of Obama's pastor

click on the link

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/14/the_irrelevance_of_obamas_mini/

[othermeans]

36. Thanks Gasperc that was an excellent article. It really put it in perspective I

think Rosenberg was dead on about what is the relevance of someone's religion let alone there religious leader.

"The last time a candidate's religion was an issue was Kennedy's Catholicism in 1960. Kennedy's priest, Joseph Cardinal Cushing, was a pretty old school Catholic with all the old school Catholic political views.
Did that discredit Kennedy as a candidate?

Sadly, it did with alot of people. Bigots across the land cited his church as a reason not to vote for him, cited Cushing and the Pope as scary political influences on a JFK Presidency, howled about what Kennedy's faith indicated about the kind of leader he would be.

But that was 48 years ago and, today, we call the people who used Kennedy's religion against him ignorant bigots. Now we call them political strategists."

[selador]

15. he titled his book

"audacity of hope' from a sermon given by this preacher of hate.

cmon.

obama is going to have to (and will) do something to seriously distance himself from this.

obama is more attached, PER HIS OWN SPEECHES AND BOOKS to this preacher than somebody who merely goes to a certain church.

and i say this AS an obama supporter.

[gasperc]

16. preacher of hate? give me a fucking break

[selador]

18. ok. here it is.

take this break.

this is hate 101. just because it comes from (presumably) somebody on the left doesn't make it any less hateful.

i get really tired of the "hate the rich", "hate the privileged" schtick.

[durrrty libby]

56. You are too blind to see it, but that is exactly how he comes across

The ABC report had the title

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788&page=1

How do you think that will go over? Guaranteed, not well

[jackson_dem]

17. It's his fucking mentor/pastor/spiritual leader not some random staffer

Are Obamites serious? Small cogs in a national campaign that a candidate barely even knows matters more than one's mentor/pastor/and spiritual leader? Wright goes to the heart of who Obama is--listen to Obama's own words on the importance of his religion to him.

How many other politicians are naive enough to go to a church with a racist pastor? Exactly...

[Seabiscuit]

22. This pastor isn't just someone who "brushed up against Obama" and you know it.

This creep has been Obama's pastor/mentor now for the past 20 years. Obama attends this creep's services and listens to this creep's vile, hateful, racist sermons. And he keeps going back, year after year, month after month, week after week, soaking up this creep's crap like a sponge.

It says more about Obama than any of the empty rhetoric in his own speeches.

But of course, ugly realities like that are just water off a duck's back to the kool-aid drinkers, who live in constant denial.

[gasperc]

27. vile, hateful, racist? are you out of your mind?

seriously

[Seabiscuit]

28. You must be out of yours if you could post something that stupid.

[gasperc]

30. is Obama a muslim or not?

examples of Wright's vile statements?

[Seabiscuit]

35. Are you daring me to play whack-a-mole on you?

At least TRY to make some sense, why don't you.

Are you really that ignorant, or really that stupid, or has the kool-aid made you terminally obtuse?

[gasperc]

46. I'll take obtuse

sad, since we we're both former Edwards supporters.
Guilt by association won't stick. Wright may have said some provocative things(you call them vile) but it's not Obama. The priest at my former Catholic church where I was married was arrested and convicted of pedophilia. If your pissed about Ferraro getting canned take it up with her.

[Seabiscuit]

54. Obtuse - so the idiocy and assininity is deliberate, eh?

I'm not a "former" Edwards supporter. I AM and Edwards supporter and will remain so regardless of what happens.

In this post you're just going around in circles again.

Sorry, but I'm not going to follow.

Keep it up and I'll have to welcome you to my "ignore" button.

[BlackVelvet04]

43. He was part of the campaing and is his personal mentor.

that makes a helluva lot of difference.

[susankh4]

6. Ya gotta wonder....

how naive are Kennedy, Kerry, etc. I mean... didn't they vet this guy AT ALL before they endorsed him? Did they set him up on purpose? What gives?

[leftofcool]

8. Obviously not

[sorrybushisfromtexas]

5. I am a Obama supporter

It was Joe Scarborough, get a grip, this will be old news by the time the weekend is over. I have never ever seen so much gotcha politics posts. (I know I have low numbers, but long time contributor, and long time reader). Hey support your candidate, vote in your primary if it has not been held, contribute to DU and most especially your candidate, work for them locally, I am sure that your candidate has a phone banking effort (like Barack does, (I am from Texas using all my collected roll over minutes calling Pennsylvania voters and they they think I have a funny accent)call potential voters and work for the Democratic candidate in the GE. Stop tearing down Democrats. I will vote for Hillary if she gets it, which she won't, it's a little thing called math.

[Little Star]

9. Even if it does die down now, in the primaries, It will be front

and center in the general. Not by McCain but by 527's and swift boaters. This is the death rattle for Obama and the dem party if he gets the nod.

[nels25]

12. Boy!! As Hawk Harrelson says

You can put it on the board: YES!!

[durrrty libby]

55. Oh No Not The Hawk. He was big deal as a Red Sox player

but the most annoying baseball announcer ever

Have you ever heard him call a Sox v Sox game when Wakefield is the pitcher?

He is obsessed with the Knuckleball and dreams of opening a Knuckleball school

I spend half the game rolling my eyes at him.Of course I'm partial to our fabulous
announcer Jerry Remy aka RemDawg. He is the best.


So what has Chicago radio said about the pastor?

I think this could destroy Obama's candidacy. He touts his judgment and this proves he has

extremely poor judgment. No way out for him.

[emilyg]

29. This will not be old news.

[sueragingroz]

59. It's a little thing called resigning in disgrace after going to 20% in the polls

Don't count out that possibility.

[nels25]

10. I think (but am not sure ) that Mark Twain stated

that you can tell a lot about a man by the people he associates with.

Now I want Obama to win, but this is in no way going to help, it is all I am hearing on Chicago radio this morning.

I have a lot of low middle and barely middle class who drifted away from the Democrat party (Reagan Democrats if you will) who are sick to death of the GOP as it is now constituted. Many vote Dem in 06 for the first time in a long time.

This will not encourage them to support us in 08, they pretty much hate Hillary and up until this broke I was making headway in getting them to consider Barack.

But boy did I get my ears pinned back by and old friend last night over exactly this issue.

Thanks a lot Jeremiah!!:argh: :argh:

[krkaufman]

51. I'm curious as to what your old friend said.

Exactly what was the complaint re: Wright's comments? (Or are there more damning clips than those in the above MSNBC segment?)

[democracy1st]

19. These guys aren't worth a damn

I think this will nail Obama,you can't have any type of connection with these types of fools. Now the campaign will be about old racial feelings/problems.

[TexasBushwhacker]

24. The thing that gets me is, didn't Jeremiah Wright realize

that this would hurt Obama? I thought he wanted him to win. I think this sermon is just as dumb as Geraldine Ferraro's comment. It's not a matter of whether or not it's "true". It's their opinion, and they're free to have it. The people that hear them express their opinion are free to agree or disagree, be offended or yell "Damn straight".

Nevertheless, did Ferraro's comments sway anyone to Clinton's side who wasn't already there? NO!

Do Wright's comments sway anyone to Obama's side who wasn't already there? NO!

So, "friends" of Hillary and Barack, if you can't say something that will sway undecided voters to support your candidate, regardless of it's "truth", SHUT THE FUCK UP! I'm beginning to wonder if Ferraro and Wright are getting big fat checks from McCain's campaign, because that's who they're helping.

[krkaufman]

50. I think you overestimate the open-mindedness of your fellow Americans ...

... if you think the Ferraro furor didn't net votes for Clinton in PA.

[TexasBushwhacker]

62. Well, as an accountant ....

there's net, like you net a fish, and then there's net, like you end up with more than you started with. I'm not sure Clinton will gain more votes from Ferraro's comments than she will lose. Nevertheless, I think that the ultimate beneficiary of all this bloodletting is McCain. I guess we won't know until November.

[krkaufman]

63. I agree. The relative gain/loss is just speculation.

We shall see.

[sueragingroz]

60. If you figured out what Ferraro was trying to say.....

Edging (at Times Clumsily) Toward a Post-Racial America

Obama's people got mad at the implication that racial politics was fueling his campaign. Then the pundits got into it. And then Ferraro hit the morning talk shows to let everyone know that she wasn't a racist. But just in time for the evening news, she resigned from her position in the Clinton campaign, which shouldn't even have been necessary because all she did was observe that as a culture we haven't so much transcended race as become enamored of it.

From the Washington Post.

And that is her point exactly - she was making a statement on american society and the fact that it has not yet transcended identity politics.

This whole primary campaign is proof positive of that!

[DrZeeLit]

20. So, Joe... guess this squelches the Muslim line of attack, huh? Oops. n/t

[krkaufman]

49. Nope. Just targeting another group.

Obama's a muslim.

No?

Well, if he's not a muslim, he's a militant black. Just look at his support for that Wright guy, and Farrakhan.

[butterfly77]

23. Notice how they have to give us a little commentary...

in between clips,to tell us how we should look at it. I heard no lies except the part where Scarborough changes his words around and tell us that he is blaming the 911 victims. The rightwing uses this anytime you say anything that happened in the tragedy.

[krkaufman]

47. Well observed, butterfly.

That's the same thing I noticed. They play the clips and tell us how we're supposed to interpret them: their way.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=105359&mesg_id=105488

[FreeStateofWinston]

25. This is just a man

with some misguided opinions. And as Barack Obama has already said he does not agree with all of this man's statements and viewpoints.
A christian follows the teaching of Christ and the True and living God as they have been outlined in the Holy Bible, not the viewpoints and teachings of another man, because the Bible teaches us that all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
If I have learned one thing about Barack Obama, it is that he is an independent thinker. He doesn't need anyone to speak for him because he speaks for himself, and his message is one of UNITY, not division.
If Barack was saying AMEN and agreeing with everything this man was saying,I could then see criticism toward him being justifiable, but the fact is Barack has plainly said that he does not, or has not, always agreed with all of the viewpoints and comments of this MAN and that's good enough for me!!! I frankly have seen enough of these kind of smokescreens during this campaign season. Now let's get back to talking about the real issues at hand in this campaign that are facing this country, like bringing our troops home from Iraq, Universal Health-care, building a stronger economy and unifying the American people for a common purpose. :patriot:

[jackson_dem]

31. You can't just issue a politically motivated statement and erase 20 years

If he truly practiced what he preaches on unity and "getting beyond race" he would have left the church 20 years ago...

[BigD_95]

26. this is just

awful. Anyone he thinks this will die down after the weekend are crazy. This will be in the news all next week.

[Outlier]

32. Right on time

It's on limpballs website this morning.

[jackson_dem]

39. It is everywhere. I bet it makes at least two of the three nightly newscasts tonight

Thus far it has been on Good Morning America, Anderson Cooper, Fox "News", and Inside Edition as well as several websites. It still hasn't hit the major newspapers but I expect that to happen soon.

[Outlier]

53. Rush has a knack for

putting the winner of the last democratic primary or caucus as his lead target on his website. Since Obama won Mississippi tuesday there he is. I don't know if the MSM is following Rush or just using the same formula. "Whoever has momentum or just won let us hammer them, and see how long we can string this thing out."

[RestoreGore]

33. Obama claims he "brought him to Christianity?"

What was his religion before that? And sorry, but true Christianity does not hate.

[jackson_dem]

38. Not affiliated with any organized religion

As far as I know. ;)

[JAbuchan08]

34. I think that pretty much puts the lie to MSNBC being Obama's personal anything. n/t

[libbygurl]

37. Okay, Joe and the other fellow are expressing real concern; woman is trying to play it down...

...is this bad cop-good cop play? Good that Joe isn't dismissing it as something irrelevant, and both men are emphasising the long, close relationship between BO and JW.

Meanwhile, where has that woman been?

[jackson_dem]

40. She is the daughter of an Obama endorser and foreign policy adviser

[libbygurl]

41. Aha. Well, no surprise there, then. Thanks, JD! nt

[ej510]

64. We have bombed countries into oblivion.

Why would people love us after we have killed their entire family. If you were in Iraq and a cluster bomb killed your entire family. Explan to me why you would love america?

[krkaufman]

57. Joe is a RW hack, a former Rethug Rep. from Florida from 1995-2001 ...

... who supported and voted for Clinton impeachment.

I like this Scarborough bio brief, especially, from a news article on Republican sex scandals...

Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, is currently a conservative talk show host. He resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in Florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

Here's a couple favorite quotes of Scarborough, according to his Right Wing fans...

"When comparing its fiscal record to that of the Clinton administration, George W. Bush's White House loses in a landslide. This assessment comes from a former congressman whose animosity for Bill Clinton was so deep that when voters asked why I was running for office I would simply answer "Bill Clinton".

"I first experienced how D.C. politicians placed their manhood in a blind trust during the Clinton impeachment ordeal. Every morning Democratic congressmen would sit around the House gym complaining about what a "degenerate" and "liar" Bill Clinton was. That grousing would continue in the House dining room, on the floor of Congress, and well into the evening at Capitol Hill restaurants. But every time the microphone was turned on in the House well or in the television gallery or in the Speaker's lobby where a gaggle of reporters was always waiting, these same Democratic congressmen would bravely defend their beloved president against mean-spirited attacks from Republicans."

Just an FYI. Scarborough is no more trustworthy a news or opinion source than Bill O'Reilly. In fact, I trust Scarborough less, since he's more covert in his partisanship. (whereas I can almost guarantee what O'Reilly is saying is false)

[Raffi Ella]

42. .

I'm sitting here so angry after watching that.HOW could The Democratic Party not vet this man before they put him out on the national stage!??There is NO explanation or justification for this whatsoever.Our Primary has turned from an exciting joyous year where no matter what we were gonna win the White House to ...this.god damn it.Just GOD DAMN IT.

[krkaufman]

58. I intend this as an honest question...

What from the YouTube video clip is making you angry?

[navarth]

44. You're just pushing me towards Obama with this kind of rhetoric.

personal "Fox" MSNBC? kool aid drinkers?

Jesus I could do without this kind of language from either side.

[krkaufman]

45. It'd be great if they were actually *covering* it

... rather than just playing the video clips, editorializing on their impressions of the meaning and content of the clips, and speculating about how Wright is associated with Obama and his campaign.

As for the video clips played, I have a hard time disagreeing with the content of Wright's specific statements.

Wright: "Barack knows what it means to be a black man living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people. Hillary can never know that; Hillary ain't never been called a n****r."

The US economy (wealth) is almost entirely controlled by caucasions. Hillary doesn't know what it's like to be black. (Just like Barack doesn't know what it's like to be a woman.) Check. Got it.

Wright: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye." //cut//

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palistinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant?! Because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back into our own front yards."

Our foreign policy exercised over the last 70 years may not be viewed warmly by the entire globe, and may contribute to blowback, of which the Sept. 11 attacks may be an example. Inarguable. Well, in rational circles, anyway.


What exactly is so controversial about what Wright said in these clips? I accept that they can be viewed as controversial because they'll be spun as some militant black in a suspicious-looking robe looking to overthrow the white power structure, but what, exactly, is false in the content of what Wright said?

Personally, what I found most offensive in the YouTube clip was the three well-salaried, self-satisfied white folk sitting there casting judgment over Wright's comments, characterizing them as "hateful rhetoric" and "conspiracy theories." I didn't hear Wright talking about WTC Building 7 or controlled explosions in these clips, so I have to assume they're referring to others. Or is speculating that our foreign policy may not be viewed as beneficent or wholly benign from the perspective of other countries and citizens of the world now considered a "conspiracy theory"? If the concept wasn't clear enough before, the increase in terrorism and terrorism recruiting since our invasion of Iraq should have spelled it out, by now, for even the most obtuse of observers.


edit: p.s. The only real controversy regarding the above clips should be whether the pastor was violating prohibitions against politicking in churches.

[canuk1]

48. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME

Obama, or anyone is suppose to control what his or her pastor says? As a Catholic, can I tell the priest not to call abortion an evil just because I don't agree with it. I thought America had free speech. Obviously, I was wrong about that. PLEASE NO MORE PREACHING FROM AMERICA ABOUT FREE SPEECH. YOU DON'T HAVE IT. AND NONE OF YOU BELIEVE IN IT OR UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS.

[sueragingroz]

61. wright is free to say what he likes

And obama is free to decide whether he is going to associate with him.