Obama's Crazy Pastor

[TheUniverse]

Run time: 08:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHG9VSA-tA   Posted on YouTube: March 15, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 16, 2008 By DU Member: TheUniverse Views on DU: 1736

 
Here's a video by "The AmazingAtheist" on youtube about "preachergate", and its probably the best analysis of it I've seen. It really shows how unfair the media is being to Obama right now.

[mac2]

1. Obama has been my representative for eight years.

I have been after him to separate his religion from politics especially Faith Based Funding (tax payer dollars for votes). It violates our Constitution.

If this man was not in his campiagn...it would not have been a problem. Clergy just can help themselves and want to rule the world with their agenda.

Obama is not a new face on the national scene. He's been out there but few looked behind what he is all about. Democracy ain't it since he has not demanded the Constitution back or his powers under it. He has not demanded Bush and Cheney be impeached.

He promised us a lot but we got none of it.

[NOLALady]

7. Have I missed something?

Which candidate demanded impeachment?

[mac2]

14. Kucinich..

But then the media and the party make fun of his (and our politics).

[NOLALady]

17. I know about Kucinich

which is why partly why he was my first choice.

I was referring to one of the 3 front runners at this time.

I wondered if HRC or McCain had called for impeachment and I missed it.

[AmericanUnity]

24. Why are Hillary supporters so mean?

I used to like the Clinton's a LOT. But, after SC and the aftermath kitchen sinks thrown at Obama that threaten to tear the party apart and I'm D O N E !!

[durrrty libby]

2. Obama want to be president of The"US KKK of A"

He is a member of a bigoted organization. It ain't happenin

He is however, the King of Frauds

[Bjorn Against]

3. Yeah, because I am sure that KKK members would just love Pastor Wright

I mean do you honestly even think about your bullshit before you spew it? If you think the KKK has anything in common with Obama's church you truly have absolutely zero understanding of race relations in America. Somehow I have a hard time believing you are truly hurt by anything Wright said, you are just gleefully denouncing it because you think it can help your candidate. Instead of comparing a man who has had to deal with racism his entire life to a KKK member, why don't you read up on history and find out all the ways racism has harmed blacks in America and try and understand why people like Wright might be just a little bit pissed.

[Al Cleveland]

6. KKK

The point is not that the KKK has anything to do with the church of Christ, but rather that if the church of Christ spends it time in church finding people to blame for societies problems (white people) they are closer to being bigots then Christians.

[durrrty libby]

9. That was a direct quote from Wright.

I do "hope" BO The King of Fraud and his King of Bigots Wright go down in flames

They are despicable

[TheUniverse]

13. Obama did not say the KKK comments

Everyone has at least one guy they hang around who says stupid shit. For example Jesse Jackson was Bill Clinton' spiritual advisor but he called new york "hymietown." Should we blame Bill Clinton for what Jesse Jackson said. My point and TheAmazingAtheist's point in this video is that Barack is getting treated poorly in the media. Did the media make 1/10 the amount of fuss over McCain accepting Rev. Hagee's endorsment, and did they even care about Clinton's association with Jesse Jackson who has said some bigoted things. Why is a black man a bigot because he hangs around bigots, but white men like Bill Clinton and McCain can do it with almost no attention in the media?

[Texifornia]

5. That has to be

the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Of course, the day is young.

[haymakeragain]

25. You don't know the color of shyte.

You're the bigot, not Obama.

[susankh4]

4. Just in... Red State Update:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvrIKrK1Xso

(If you think it's unfair now... we ain't seen nothin' yet.)

[greyghost]

8. LOL You betcha, he's had a free ride up to now.

[tuog chen]

10. Hillary backers dig up Jeremiah Wright-cf. Frederick Douglass' July 4th speech

It has been centuries since America declared all men are created equal but our relationship to the "underprivileged" as Barbara Bush would term it has not changed much at all. We've advanced technologically while our hearts remain as hard as stone age rocks. America needs to wake up and dream, your dreams are waiting for you to come true.

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/douglass.htm

He ended an impassioned speech on the 4th of July with these words

Go search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the Old World, travel through South America, search out every abuse and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.
Frederick Douglass - July 4, 1852

excerpt:
What to the American slave is your Fourth of July? I answer, a day that reveals to him more than all other days of the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mock; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy - a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation of the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody than are the people of these United States at this very hour.

http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/douglass.htm

As far as Rev Wright's comments on this country, 911 and Hiroshima and Nagasaki consider this:
The psychological rule says that when an inner situation is not made conscious, it happens outside as fate.
Carl Jung

[bow-tie]

12. Wright's Comments

The timing of this release was real bad. But the accuracy was right-on. I've been waiting for someone to throw all that stuff out there in an outraged platform for a long time. Where are we, the USA, in a position to point fingers at anyone?

[mac2]

16. Anyone as a candidate for President of the "free world" should be investigated

before hand not after.

[haymakeragain]

26. Investigated for what, Freeper acceptability?

Get a grip. Wright is mostly right on the money. I hope it becomes more of an issue. Obama will take advantage.

[peon]

11. Need a little help with all this "preacher" stuff.

Hi,

My family is new to politics in general. My husband is almost 30, and this will be his first time ever voting in a presidential election. We, like so many, were inspired by many of Obama’s speeches, ideas, and plans. We decided he was our future despite the objections of our Republican grandparents and out apathetic parents. (they feel it doesn’t matter who gets elected – they’re all crooked)

Our support for Obama was not affected by the comments made by his wife, the allegations made after the meeting with the Canadians, or the idea that Obama was just an eloquent speaker. The recent firestorm over his pastor, however, has shaken our confidence.

Now we feel like we’re stuck in the middle of a battle of liars. Not necessarily the candidates themselves, but more the way these situations are spun by the press. In a quest to “figure this out”, I’ve read the Rolling Stone article, (the one that the title was recently changed to “Destiny’s Child) watched the Andersoon Cooper interview, as well as dozens of blogs. Still, I just can’t seem to make heads or tails of it and my husband seems devastated.

The point of my post here is not to slam or denounce Obama, but simply to ask for more information. (there seems to be many of you in this board who know what you’re talking about)

So here’s what I’ve come up with so far, and please try to remember when you reply that I am not a political activist – I’m the mother of a two year old who tries to watch the news when I can between diapers and my work-from home job.

It’s my understanding that the videos of these sermons were available for sale from the church’s website. I don’t necessarily believe that Obama lied about not being present at these sermons, but I just can’t believe that he was not aware of them at all until his run for president began. At least, I can’t believe he had no idea that his pastor felt this way, given how close they are.

I don’t blame him for not leaving the church, since Wright was retiring. I do, however, blame him for giving this man a formal role in his campaign. The whole situation seems either stupid or dishonest, and I’m not sure which of those is worse when it comes to characteristics of out president.

I despise child molesters. If a close friend or family member of mine had committed such an act, I would not be compelled to look at the good aspects of their character, or defend them by listing good deeds they had performed in the past. It goes against everything I believe in, and I would want nothing further to do with them. I feel like Wright has gone against everything I thought Obama stood for, and so I would expect the same response from him.

Again, I do not want to slam Obama or say that I feel is is a poor candidate. I’m simply saying that right now, I don’t know. I guess what I’m really asking for is a little help – someone please give me a good reason to disregard all of this as just more political mudslinging so I can get back to wiping my son’s butt.

Thanks so much

[mac2]

15. You are judged by the people around you.

Obama's have not been that great. Rezko is a crony whose actions are under investigation.

This minister does not belong in an political campaign even if he is retired. Obamas Faith Based politics has been disturbing to me. He meets in churches, etc. It is unconstitutional. His religion should be private not to get votes.

Obama gives a good speech (not written by him but presented by him).

What is that about a child molester?

[nonoxy9]

18. HONESTLY! Comparing Wright to a child molester!?!?

I'm glad you and your husband are getting involved in politics but PLEASE invesigate the WHOLE story and don't let your knee jerk emotions sway you. For Christ's sake, that's how we got into the Iraq war in the first place; a bunch of corrupt and greedy people played on our fears and sold us this whole damn mess!
Don't stop listening to Barack because some scumbags keep digging up every peace of dirt they can spin! This whole attack on Obama was started by Sean Hannity in the first place! THAT should tell you a lot!
I am praying everyday that this attack on hope doesn't destroy what's left of our nation.

[peon]

20. Let me clarify the child molesting bit

When I mentioned child molestation in my post, I wasn't comparing Wright to a child molester, nor was I suggesting that he is a child molester. My point in that statement was that if I disagree strongly enough with something that someone does or says (such as my feeling toward child molestation), I'd do more than distance myself from them - I'd completely sever all ties to them.

The Iraq war is a completely different matter, which I don't think has anything to do with my confusion over what to make of the situation with Wright. I am an Operation Iraqi Freedom veteran myself, and honestly, I don't really feel the need to listen to what any non-military American has to say about the war. When you have talked to Iraqi people in person, and seen for yourself what's really going on over there, you tend to form your own opinion about the entire conflict.

That said, I do want to mention that I appreciate your comments. (not meant to sound sarcastic) You do make a good point - I should not completely abandon Obama over this. I think my plan is going to be to wait it out and see how it goes. If we (in Michigan) do get another primary, i won't be for several months, so I will have plenty of time to research more and figure out what I think is best.

[mac2]

28. Somehow your point took a different turn.

I don't know what you meant about the "child molester". Clergy and teachers, etc. have been found guilty of this haneous crime as of late.

My point was not to tell you to do anything regarding Obama.

I myself won't support him because of his politics...Faith Based Funding and government involvement in his campaign is distressing. We elect a representative of the people not a clergy. Keep that to yourself Obama.

[stratomagi]

22. That being said...

do you think that if a clergyman was found guilty of child molestation then everyone in the clergy who've probably been there all their lives should be scrutinized, maybe even judged as having pedophilic tendencies for not realizing it sooner? Think about that for a while?

That being said I actually agree with a lot of the things Wright said and I'm a white guy. I think its patriotic of him to question the conceit of our country to think that after decades of foreign interventionism, starting wars, exporting child labor, installing brutal dictators only because they were supportive of our ambitions, to think that we were immune from facing any consequences. What Wright did wrong in my opinion is use phrases that if taken out of context are considered unpatriotic. But we, especially as democrats and especially after these last 8 brutal years should all know that patriotism TRULY is the last bastion of scoundrels!

[tuog chen]

19. What happened to E.F.Hutton

You remember those commercials, when you could hear a pin drop, because when E.F. Hutton talked people listened. Seems Obama smears have taken E.F.Hutton's place only they don't offer reputable financial advice.

In this so-called Christian nation no one can be elected who does not profess faith in the state religion. Jesus himself would have a hard time today if when asked about his worship he would say "I have the same religion as god." It seems we all think so. And we wage wars in the name of God. Our wonderful religion allows us less doubt and uncertainty. Certainly we treat the prostitutes, fishmongers and poor as poorly now as then and did not Jesus surround himself with them? It is good to feel better than somebody. Certainly makes the odds better we'll get into heaven. There are so many christianists running around though you'd think we would have to be "the" good society. Your freedoms may be disappearing but you feel more secure from terrorism. And chaos is catching.

Obama's church is in a distressed area of Chicago I understand. Normally we would congratulate an educated upwardly mobile person for not severing all ties with to the poor, the tyrannized. His heart is in the right place I think. Even the Dali Lama would do the same and we would call it nobility. Barack Obama should not be judged guilty by association. Give the guy a break.

You wouldn't expect attacks like this to come from his own party but they do. It all is so Rovian. Others on this board have pointed out questions about the Clinton's money, dedication and morality. Let it just be understood Hillary can't win without tearing down Obama to build herself up. That doesn't appear to me to exemplify the Christian example everyone seems so focused on.

Fact Check: Barrack Obama's Church
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw

[Zee Miller]

21. Obama's "church"

May I suggest you do a little more research yourself? Research that involves READING, not watching video hack jobs.

Obama's church was not a haven for the distressed, it was a favorite of BUPPIES, Black Yuppies who wanted entrance into the black experience, as did Obama. In fact, he was shunned when he eagerly sought to "community organize" and the pastors repeatedly told him he had no credibility because he had no spiritual home. Only then did he find "Jesus" ---- that is, he chose the Black National Buppie Trinity Church and the formerly Muslim Black Nationalist Jeremiah Wright as his (cough) "spiritual" leader.

They are spiritual kin, all right --- both serving one "god" --- Power.

And before you ask me for links, let me tell you to do your own damned research...and not on YOUTUBE, the hub of YOUTH CULTS, either. Here's a CLUE, then you're on your OWN: start with the New Republic. That a credible enough source for you?

Wright has no business campaigning against the Clintons in church. Maybe because he's just a latecomer to ...Christianity he missed Christ's own suggestion to leave unto Caesar what is Caesar's. Maybe because he's a Black Nationalist, whatever that is, he missed the part of the Constitution which separates Church from State...the IRS should tax Trinity as the political entity it is.

And Obama? He doesn't seem to care how he panders, asking South Carolinians to help make him an "instrument of God."

We don't need another religious huckster. And we're already experiencing the wreckage of another self-proclaimed "uniter." I think this is why even the young underinformed busy parents in Michigan are feeling wretched. Obama is such an over-the-top panderer even the kool-aide drinkers are feeling sick to their stomachs because they've had their first tiny glimpse of what they've been sucking down.

[Eric Condon]

23. "entrance into the black experience"

What, so being born black wasn't enough to qualify them for the "black experience?"

[mac2]

27. Sounds like babble to me.

Everyday I have a "white experience" when I look in the mirror.

[Quantess]

29. I have a white experience when I wear a swimsuit at the beach.

And so does everyone around me!:rofl:

[crankychatter]

30. Wright IS Right

Extraordinarily draconian sentences for crack as opposed to powder cocaine, targets African Americans...which is an American Tradition.

Three strikes you're out was pandered to the public as directed only at violent offenders BUT IN REALITY, is used for all felonies. It is often a felony for someone on parole to commit the slightest misdemeanor. This also specifically targets mostly African Americans.

Many credible investigations have suggested, and some have even proven beyond doubt, occasional complicity of federal agencies in the importation and marketing of drugs... originally in the golden triangle during the Vietnam conflict... and since Nixon, from Columbia and South America.

The penitentiaries now have thousands of African American men (moreso than others) doing LIFE SENTENCES for petty offenses.

Although African American young people are statistically proven to take LESS drugs than Whites in every category, they constitute the preponderance of people incarcerated for drug offenses. The only category in which Blacks were equal with Whites in drug consumption was Heroin. There the populations were equal. The African American community is under ASSAULT by police, courts and legislators.

The term BLOWBACK originates in the Intelligence Professional community and means foreign reaction to U.S. Foreign Policy... where we have specifically meddled and produced or promoted grievous injustices abroad.

It has been stated by clear headed professionals in the highest ranks of the CIA that 9-11 is clearly the most profound example of "blowback." Perhaps Rev. Wright is less nuanced than they are, but his statement is the same.

If genocide of Native Peoples... slavery... Jim Crow legislation and discrimination of the first water... that keeps minority peoples in abject poverty to THIS VERY DAY... is not sufficient condemnation... then surely our conduct in Iraq is today.

Damnation in common vernacular may conjure images of eternal residence in hell fire for some... and for those same people steeped in church but theologically illiterate, it may also send waves of shock when uttered by a Pastor in a Christian Church...

like cussing in front of gramma...

But the fact is, my hat is OFF to a Christian Pastor with the unmitigated BALLS... the MORAL HAIR... to say it like it is

In regard to these issues... GOD DAMN AMERICA

By the way, he paused... he said GodDamn,(comma and portentious pause), America.

I think he was saying to America, "God Damn." A sentiment I share.

THUS I REFUTE YOU!!!