BBC: Undercover filming near Tibet (Hezou, Amdo)

[Joanne98]

Run time: 01:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQTAp0PWddM   Posted on YouTube: March 21, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: March 22, 2008 By DU Member: Joanne98 Views on DU: 2205

 

[bronxiteforever]

1. Great video-What is going to happen on March 25th to the protestors?

Scary and sad

[Sonnenschein]

2. Violent protesters are arrested everyday in the world. Finally the government does something.

I don't want to see another civilian's ear got cut off by the tibetian terrorists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas&feature=related

[sce56]

4. Oh so Hillary Supporters are PRO CHINESE COMMUNIST Dictatorship Supporters too!

Anyone that supports the Chinese Governments position that they have the right to suppress free speech and thought is an opponent to a free and peaceful world! Why did Hillary Support NAFTA? Because she is really a Zell Miller Democrat!


Sig Heil, Zell Miller (Democrat) speaking at the Republican Convention 2004

[Sonnenschein]

5. You call cutting somebody's ear off "free speach"?

Are you ready to have your ear cut off?

[sce56]

6. I was ready to lay my life down to protect our democracy and upheld my oath for twenty in the Army!

I did not watch the whole video you posted looked to much like it came from Freepervile!

I do support independence movements from China where you can be executed for petty theft then your organs are sold off on the free market and your family gets the bill for the bullet they used to execute you! The fact is that Monks protested Chinese rule and they were attacked by the goverment controlled police just like the monks in Burma who were attacked by the goverment for making a stand for peace! By the way the Junta in Burma is supported by the Chinese goverment!
http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/archives/news/asia-pacific/20071001-Burma-Myanmar-crackdown-monk-dead.php



http://bp2.blogger.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/R03q3MdX9mI/AAAAAAAAJSA/22gVr3vS2L8/s400/burma+protest.jpg

[Sonnenschein]

7. Are you calling cutting somebody's ear off and burning other people's shops petty crimes?

Did you know that CIA supported those tibetian terrorists just like they supported the taliban in AG?

[mahina]

33. You are taking the crimes of a few and suggesting that they represent the whole.

It's a common tactic, and a falsehood.

My heart is breaking looking at all the books on my bookshelf by the Dalai Lama, the Art of Happiness, Ethics in the New Millenia, etc. You are not telling the truth about those people. I can't even believe that you are a Democrat.

And now you're for the communist murderers? Great. Good luck with that.

PS they are Tibetans, not Tibetians. FYI.

[Sonnenschein]

8. Is this the democracy you want to protect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-FPSTf9iEg

[sce56]

11. No this is the protesters that started it see how violent theses Monks are!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7NsnwB8TFQ

Tibetans have waged the most peaceful, nonviolent movement the world has ever known. After 50 years of silent suffering, a few are throwing rocks at Chinese government buildings & burning Chinese military cars. By dramatizing this as violence, we turn a blind eye to 50 years of systematic Chinese violence in Tibet. In comparison to 6000 monasteries razed & 1.2 million Tibetans killed by the Chinese government, Tibetans burning Chinese flags & military vehicles is nothing but nonviolent.

And as with the antiwar protest of the 60's in the US you have some that come with the idea of stirring the pot too much and being violent or as they have been called provocateurs a lot were planted to do those things and make the peace movement look bad!

[Sonnenschein]

29. Millions were killed by Chinese? This lie was debunked a long time ago.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

[Sonnenschein]

30. Remember, these monks are on government stipend. I think it's silly for

the Chinese government to feed those violent parasite monks.

[Sonnenschein]

31. If you throw rocks at police here, see what you will get. The chinese

police has been too nice to them.

[Sonnenschein]

32. If they have killed millions like you said, why didn't they shoot them now in your video.

What's another thousand if they already killed a million.

[Sonnenschein]

9. Look who is killing whom

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kvVEgge97I&feature=related

[Sonnenschein]

10. If you are interested in learning more, this is a good read

http://www.members.tripod.com/~journeyeast/tibet.html

[NM Independent]

12. Seriously??

:wtf: is wrong with you. That was Chinese government propaganda and you're posting it HERE.

I say again :wtf: is wrong with you?

Supporting Hillary eh? Not suprised.

[Sonnenschein]

13. What's wrong with you? Do you want to have your ear cut off by

the tibetian thugs? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQnK5FcKas

[Sonnenschein]

16. Is this also propaganda?

[Sonnenschein]

17. Learn more before you opine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWGGjpJJCKE

[Kolesar]

20. In no way does that justify China imperialist occupation of Tibet

OMG, the monks taxed the Tibetans !!! :sarcasm:

[Sonnenschein]

22. It's not funny, if you were the Tibetian farmer being taxed. Worse yet, it's not funny

if you were drafted to be the sex slave boy for the monks.

[Sonnenschein]

24. Tibet has been part of China longer than California is of US, in case

you don't know. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9QNKB34cJo

[Kolesar]

25. I don't have five minutes for you

or thirty seconds

[Sonnenschein]

27. It's also your tax dollar that went to support Talibans and Tibetian terrorists.

I assume you care since you are here.

[Kolesar]

18. Video does a terrible job of explaining what they are saying

The video producers think that I am going to understand the tiny portions of German language newspapers that they put up? The context is missing.

It alleges that there is a conspiracy between DTV, CNN, etc. That's laughable

What's with the bull shit statist music? Do I really need a singing Communist chorus to read their video? NO

[Sonnenschein]

21. How laughable is Michael Parenti?

http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

[Kolesar]

23. Who cares? It's off topic. The point is that China has no business occupying Tibet

No matter what the political system was there in 1950

[Sonnenschein]

26. Did you actually read? If you claim yourself to be a democrat,

you got to be a little intellectually sophisticated.

[jjr5]

3. I hope the Olympics committee . . .

reconsiders going to China for the Olympics. What they are doing to their own people is atrocious. A stand must be taken! Free Tibet!!

[Undercurrent]

14. This is my first post here on DU.

I agree with NM Independent, and can't believe that someone would post a Chinese propaganda film here! I might expect to see such hate on a neocon sites, but not here. This piece of film is part of the Chinese government's formal program of genocide against Tibet. To post it here is far worse than gutter politics, it's giving kudos to the Chinese, and their ugly human rights record! Sad and shameful.

I will read more on this forum, but if this is the tone of discussion here I'll not post again. I've had enough lies, hate, war, and police state bs to last a dozen lifetimes - from the neocons. Time to move on to a new day.

[Sonnenschein]

15. Just remember, once upon a time, talibans were also supported by CIA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr46ApMFXzk

[Sonnenschein]

19. Michael Parenti is also in here talking about Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQv7oNdAYhg&feature=related
http://www.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html

[Sonnenschein]

28. BTW welcome to DU!

[mahina]

34. Welcome to DU, please disregard our current embarassments.

Aloha. And what you said? Right on.

[sce56]

35. Welcome to Du, as for the Sunshine Guy he is on the way to a tombstone.SF Gate Ed

I hope it all comes crashing down on their heads.

Is that wrong? Is it ill-minded and somehow unfair to wish that the Chinese government's notorious record of human rights abuses and absolutely horrid treatment of Tibet be exposed to the world — and the Chinese people themselves — to the point where it is shamed and humiliated and perhaps even forced by unprecedented international scrutiny to upheave its oppressive ways and improve conditions and even (heaven forfend) honor religious and political freedom within its borders? No, I do not think it is.

Let me admit outright: I am no expert on Chinese-Tibetan relations. I do not know the full histories, the deeper conflicts, the enormous prejudices, the religious oppression that goes back decades and generations. But I do know something of Tibet, of the Dalai Lama, of his unadorned messages of peace and love. And I know something of Tibetan Buddhism, of China's abduction of the true Panchen Lama, of the brutal oppression and the massacres and the cultural genocide, the forced relocation of Han Chinese into Tibetan holy land, of the Tibetan's peaceful rallies and chanting and nonviolence, all contrasted with images of jackbooted Chinese riot police stomping on the heads of protesters marching in the street.

And I know whom I tend to believe when I read "unconfirmed" reports of soldiers firing on Tibetan protesters, of dead bodies in the streets of Lhasa, of tanks rolling through crowds and hundreds of students arrested, Tibetan monasteries being locked down and Tibet again under martial law, all media cut off, all access denied, as sour and rather vile hardline Communist leader Zhang Qingli steps up to a microphone and calls the Dalai Lama — perhaps the gentlest, kindest human soul on the face of the planet — a "wolf in monk's robes, a devil with a human face but the heart of a beast." Yes, I think I know where the truth lies. You don't even need to be reminded of Tiananmen Square, or of all the ongoing crackdowns on students and dissidents and journalists, the torture and torment of humble Falun Gong practitioners or even the harsh control of Chinese Christians to know that the few images and stories of brutality and oppression that do trickle out are just the tip of a very ugly, bloody iceberg.

So then, this is the profound wish, the hope for this upcoming Olympic Games, held in a country run by an oppressive dictatorship, a country brutally divided between new wealth and extreme poverty, eager to be taken seriously as a new global superpower and also a country never before so open to cameras and reporters from around the globe: May your human rights atrocities be exposed. May your violence against peace-loving Tibetans be shamed. May we honor and respect China's culture and history even as your government's nauseating attacks on peace and intellectual freedom are revealed like the appalling cancer they so very much are.

And as I said welcome to DU! as for Sunshine I see this in his future

[Sonnenschein]

36. Do you want to believe a newspaper commentator who admits knowing nothing about China or do you

believe a Yale scholar who wrote 20 peer-reviewed books? Do you see any soldier killing any peaceful civilians or do you see thugs burning and looting and beating civilians? Use your eyes and brain and your common sense. Don't follow mindlessly the MSM propaganda. Yes, there is a lot of propaganda in US. Just remember the propaganda in the eve of the Iraq war and remember the justification for supporting the taliban. Few were brave enough to speak the truth. Few were willing to see the complacated issues of the world affair with some intellectual sophistication they require. In the end we are paying for our stupidity.

[sce56]

37. I do not look at Chinese propaganda what I saw for sure was the YouTube video as posted in #11 above

it did not show people rioting that happened after the peaceful demonstrations were broke up! Have you ever been to a demonstration that was broken up by the Police? I have Aug 1970 the Police moved in and started a riot unprovoked by the 50,000 demonstrators who were chased gassed and beaten several died that day including one prominent reporter for the LA Times as he was sitting in a bar having a beer shot dead with a teargas grenade.

[Sonnenschein]

38. How do you know they were peaceful? You were not there. So we

all have to rely on videos which you call propaganda and use our common sense to judge the situation. These are the thugs who even smashed medical response cars and cut the ear off of a civilian. Would you stay unpunished if you torch a shop with people inside here in US? How would you trust that they were peaceful.

[Sonnenschein]

39. Since you like Kucinich, so I trust that you have some

intellectual accuity. Remember Kucinich was also smeared by MSM as a evil socialist. If one is brained washed by MSM, one is astonished when she/he first reads Noamsky. But we are liberals, which means we are free to think out of box. As the name of this website suggests, we also take the arguments of other side into consideration, which was deemed as "underground" for some people. We are liberals, that means, we don't reduce the complicated issues of the world affairs into bumper slogan stickers.

[sce56]

40. For being a liberal you have been here a real long time! Joined DU Feb 12th 2008, That gives you

a lot of credibility here add to that the fact that you post 2 or 3 or 4 times in a row looks like you are just another looking to stir up some shit while trying to make it look like you have been around a lot longer than you have by raising the number of posts you have! It'll be easy to put you on my ignore list and you would be the first to go there for me! What was your handle before you got the last time?

[Sonnenschein]

41. Now you are questioning my credibility instead of considering

the arguments I gave? Let me tell you, I had come across this forum during Kerry's campaign. But after the election I did not post much and I lost my password. So I reregistered. I usually do not post much anyway. But now it's spring break and I have a little time. Starting next week I probably won't have time to post anything except some short remarks. I don't care how many number of posts I tally. Why is that important?

[sce56]

42. Then tell me what you think of this posting

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5220993

[Sonnenschein]

43. I think she is too old to run for office. Sorry but really she looks

as old as John McCain. Don't you guy in SF area have some young folks to stand up and step up?

[sce56]

44. Age is not really that big a factor in the house of represenatives!

Now if she was running for President that might be one then but she is not!


Of course I think you so crazy!
Maybe better you no talk like that!
You boss might not realize you blew cover!
Posting from Beijing trying to make nasty commies look good!

[Sonnenschein]

45. Of course I think you so crazy too! Are you sure you don't work for

CIA? Be careful since Bush has blown the cover of a CIA agent before.:)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoEb2SikPiM
How do you like this comment by another commie> "Moreover, U.S. acceptance of China's claim of sovereignty over Tibet PREDATES the establishment of the People's Republic of China. In 1942, we told the Nationalist Chinese government then headquartered in Chongqing (Chungking) that we had "at no time raised (a) question" over Chinese claims to Tibet." US State Department 1995.

[Sonnenschein]

46. Sorry it should be Noam Chomsky,