Olbermann 5 Year Special: 'A Delegate Matter' (Texas Caucus)

[Hissyspit]

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NBC Countdown w/ KEITH OLBERMANN: March 30, 2008 - with Chuck Todd.

[sonias]

1. Thank you for that link

I'm going to TX to post that.
:kick:

Sonia

[ginnyinWI]

2. recommended

Chuck Todd goes a long way toward shedding light on the delegates as they now stand.

He says May 6th will mark a day when there will be only 217 delegates left to get, and if Obama still has the same kind of lead as today, he'll know that even with MI and FL seated as is, he still wins.

[ooglymoogly]

3. If I were Obama I wiould not be taking any advice from Rove

or Chuck Tod about falling into the trap of being magnanimous with the Fl. and MI vote giveaway's.

[Asgaya Dihi]

4. I wouldn't actually give them

but it would be great to be in a position where it wouldn't matter if they did. If they can make the argument that even giving Clinton everything she wants she's still behind that doesn't leave her much to do but sputter for a while and consider if she'd like to shoot herself in the foot again.

She's been complaining about the caucus system as if it snuck up on her but every President elected in our lifetimes has gone through the very same system, the only way she can win according to her own arguments is to change the rules midgame and get special treatment no president has ever got that I'm aware of. Between her compliments of McCains experience and her emphasis on it being the major measure of a leader she didn't leave herself much room to argue when he points out he has MORE experience than her, nor room to discredit the value of it since she already granted how qualified he was. What she thought was her strong argument turns into her noose, and she tied it.

Between snipers, this stuff, the ready on day one when she wasn't anywhere near ready bit and the rest her wounds are almost entirely self inflicted and her arguments depend on special treatment and breaks from rules which in many cases have stood since before many of us were born. I don't see anything wrong with Obama just laying it all out neat and in a timeline for us at some point. If her supporters care at all about her future chances they might want to urge her to withdraw before it comes to it. She really doesn't have a chance and she hasn't for a while, they won't change the rules for her or her supporters and they won't overturn the will of the voters for someone with so much self inflicted damage who claimed to be "ready on day one". She's got away with a lot of this due to the multiple stories in the news but the closer we get to convention the more they'll look at the details, and she can't survive it.

[ooglymoogly]

7. Yes I agree with you, as long as it is in theory only.

We just don't know what Hill/Billy have up their sleeve.

[kmsarvis]

6. IT IS TRUE THOUGH

EVEN IF FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN ARE COUNTED SHE IS STILL LIKELY TO BE BEHIND IN THE POPULAR VOTE. BY BEING MAGNANIMOUS AND GIVING HER FL AND MI IT WOULD FORCE THE MEDIA TO START QUESTIONING THE LEGITIMACY OF HER VOTE TOTALS RATHER THAN OBAMAS. I THINK IT WOULD BE THE FINAL NAIL IN THE COFFIN. THOUGH,IT IS HARD TO TAKE ROVE SERIOUSLY I'LL GIVE YOU THAT.

P.S. ANYBODY WHO DOES'NT BELIEVE OBAMA WILL STILL BE AHEAD IN THE POPULAR SHOULD SPEND SOME SERIOUS TIME WITH THESE NUMBERS............

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 13,931,651 47.6% 13,837,470 47.2% Obama +94,181 +0.4%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA, FL & MI** 14,265,735 47.6% 14,061,332 47.0%


OBAMA +204,403

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

5. OMG, that was my convention in the video!

The arena was the convention floor, the auditorium was where the credentials committee was meeting and most of the major business of the day was occurring. We didn't get the credentials report until around 5 pm, and then business finally got started.

And it wasn't as dramatic as the media likes to portray, at least not what I saw at my convention. Yes there were frustrated people and short tempers, and it took a long time, but it all worked out.

[ShaneGR]

8. You know, I'm all for participation and voting, and I'm an Obama leaner at this point...

But, I don't like the system they have in Texas. I don't see how you can have millions vote and then thousands decide in another vote how the millions votes should go, then a 3rd even smaller group splits em up again.

My main problem with it is that its hard enough for a lot of people to vote ONCE in one day. But you want them to vote TWICE in one day, for the second part you sit around for hours, and then vote AGAIN weeks later. There are many problems with this, what about rural voters? Many of them have to drive miles and miles to the nearest voting place. What about the handicapped? What about the mother who cant drag her kids down to vote in a caucus and sit around for hours? Heck, what about MOST PEOPLE who simply don't have the time to do that. You know what, I'm posting this from work, I wouldn't have been able to go.

So if I voted three weeks ago, and I showed up at the caucus that night, but I couldn't go to this last one..... my vote counted less? Huh? I don't care, that's a bad system. Disenfranchisement sucks.