Clinton claims Obama wants to prevent NC from voting (?)

[ProfessorPlum]

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Not sure what this is about. What is she basing this claim on?

[Cant trust em]

1. She misspoke again, accidently on purpose

Obama wants them to vote. He just wants them to vote for him as the presumptive nominee since his longshot competition has dropped out.

Moreover, we know that her claims are even more BS since he just said yesterday that she can stay in as long as she wants.

[DJ13]

2. And the lies keep coming

[keep_it_real]

3. She is such a liar.

Obama just said she should not drop out of the race; and that gives NC and the rest of the states the chance to vote. What a liar!

[MercutioATC]

4. She's claiming that if she drops out, NC voters wouldn't get to vote.

...and she's confused again. Obama has NOT called for her to drop out of the race.

[Ztarbod]

5. She didn't misspeak, she said what she meant

[polichick]

6. Pathetic.

[ihavenobias]

11. Yes, her campaign has been pathetic, for several weeks now

I'm disgusted.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

40. NC absentee ballots have BEEN out for weeks, she isn't fooling US in NC

stupid stupid lying sack of poo she is.

Guess she thinks we are dumber than heck here in North Carolina.

Just a bunch of simpletons, eh Hillary?

[BlooInBloo]

7. Either win or lie trying.

[Buzz Clik]

8. More sleep deprivation.

[DUyellow]

9. "It's not a very long run. It'll be over by February 5th." with video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[TomBall Democrat]

10. Why does anyone want this confused woman for President?

If she can't keep a straight thought now, how will she be able to handle
all those 3AM phone calls that are such a concern for her?

Just saying - someone needs a nap.

Peace

[Courtesy Flush]

18. It boggles the mind that she gets any support at all

She'd practically gift wrapping the White House up for McCain.

[TomBall Democrat]

21. AT least that explains why's she's so tired..

must be a helluva job.

Hope she's using recycled paper, though.

[LakeSamish706]

12. It has come to the point now where I view watching her as watching Bush, Can't do it.....

I turn it off as quickly as possible.

[ihavenobias]

15. I know exactly what you mean

I can barely stand her at this point. It's sad, I never expected to feel that way before. I mean, I always disagreed that she was the best candidate, but I never had the visceral reaction I have now, never had anything personal against her.

It's funny (in an absurd way) when Hillary supporters to try say they feel that way about Obama. Why? What has his campaign done (aside from the ill advised surrogate remarks of "monster" and "blue dress") that come even close to what Hillary's campaign has done?

All of this BS started with that horrible, fear mongering, Republican style 3am ad and ever since then it's spiraled downward and out of control. Imagine if Hillary had dropped out after barely winning any delegates on the Ohio/Texas night. Sure, Hillary supporters would have been upset for a while (understandably, until they inevitably and relatively quickly got over it), but Obama would've begun his attacks on McCain (you know, the *real* opponent we should be focusing on as Dems). Instead he's spent millions defending himself from Hillary, and Hillary has spent millions attacking him while also boosting McCain (quite literally, saying he's qualified, experienced and has strong national security cred and loves his country, etc).

In the end, how many millions and millions of dollars will have been spent (directly and indirectly thanks to Hillary) fighting against the likely Dem nominee and fighting for the Republican nominee?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

41. I watched it so you wouldn't have to and debunked it right here:

Hillary Clinton's latest lie is that Obama doesn't want North Carolinians to vote.

She went on TV lying to local media and North Carolina Voters.
The Wall Street Journal, owned by Clinton's friend and fund raiser Rupert Murdock, further spread the Clinton fairy tales.
She claimed that she just didn't understand "why Senator Obama and some of his supporters didn't want you to be able to vote."

Clinton's claims fly in the face of logic considering Obama's huge popularity in North Carolina.
In fact, that Obama was just in NC last week and is projected to beat Senator Clinton by 12 points there, this flies in the face of logic. This past weekend, he opened 13 offices across the state -- local headquarters to help organize grassroots supporters from the mountains to the coast.
How is it that the media would give free air time to this politician who was recently and publicly branded as a chronic and brazen liar?
The Washington Post has even awarded Senator Clinton "4 Pinocchios" for her frequent and sizable whoppers.

Hillary Clinton: Obama wants to prevent NC, other states from voting

WWAY NewsChannel 3, March 31, 2008



"I didn't understand why Senator Obama and
some of his supporters didn't want you to be able to vote"

Play video

Sen. John McCain is the presumptive nominee for republicans in the upcoming presidential race.
But the nomination is still up for grabs on the Democratic side. NewsChannel 3's Ann McAdams
had the chance to interview Sen. Hillary Clinton via satellite. Clinton spoke about the upcoming
North Carolina primary against Barack Obama.

Also posted here at Democratic Underground

Senator Obama was just in North Carolina last week, at a Town Hall in Greensboro.

March 26, 2008 The News Times

Obama presided over a town hall meeting and took questions from the audience at packed
and loud War Memorial Auditorium.
(Click here to watch video of Obama's visit to Greensboro)

Most of N.C. delegation to back Obama, congressman predicts

Tuesday, April 1, 2008 Winston Salem Journal By James Romoser and Sean Mussenden

Several North Carolina congressmen are on the verge of endorsing Sen. Barack Obama for president,
according to Democrats familiar with the discussions.
"It is my hope and expectation that it will happen sooner or later,"
said U.S. Rep. G.K. Butterfield, a Democrat from Wilson and the only member of Congress from
North Carolina who has publicly endorsed Obama so far.

Obama expected to win North Carolina by 12 points

Real Clear Politics has Obama winning North Carolina by 12 points over Hillary Clinton with 49.8 - to 37.8.

Rasmussen Markets data now give Obama a 89.0% chance to win the North Carolina Primary
while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 13.0%.
and
Obama a 82.0% chance to win the Democratic nomination
while expectations for a Clinton victory are at 16.0%.

[FatDave]

44. And here's the key: If she had just said "some of his supporters" and left Obama out...

...her statement would have been spinable. A stretch, but at least you could parse some truth out of it. "They want me to drop out, if I drop out you can't vote, ergo, they want you to not vote". Now of course we all know they'd get to vote anyway, her not being in the race just might alter the outcome, but I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt here.

But she specifically said Obama said she should drop out. He never did. In fact he said the opposite. And right there, there is no way to spin it to truth. No matter how forgiving you try to be, that is just an outright absolute lie. It would be a lie if Obama had said nothing. But he said the exact opposite. So not only is she saying he said something he didn't, she;s also saying he didn't say something he did. And hell, if we're gonna parse and spin her statements, I can count that as two lies, right?

But I won't. I'm trying to giver her the benefit of the doubt here (not that she's earned it). And the best I can come up with is that she just told another big fucking 180-degrees-from-the-truth lie.

[bowens43]

13. HIllary, all lies all the time.

I just don't understand how anyone could want this woman to be president.

[Ned_Devine]

17. "how anyone could want this woman to be president." I'd replace 'woman' with 'person' so as not to..

...incite HRC supporters to scream "sexist"

[TomBall Democrat]

22. Thanks for the suggestion

but I'm not overly concerned with the screaming.

As a woman myself, I feel fairly comfortable with the noun I chose earlier.

[Ned_Devine]

27. Cool...let's just get this guy nominated! It's gotten beyond ridiculous now

[mod mom]

48. Aren't supporters tired of 8 years of lies-do they really want more of the same?

[Voice for Peace]

14. I don't understand how her supporters can justify this blatant dishonesty.

[eagertolearn]

16. She keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper...

I almost feel sorry for her because she keeps getting caught. Maybe she is trying to show that she can fight the GOP using all of their tactics and this is why she could possibly beat them. The problem is we are all sick and tired of this type of game play and we are not going to take it anymore!!!

[FatDave]

45. I don't think this one is getting any play in the media though

She's said it like 3 or 4 times now, but nobody (besides us) is calling her on it yet.

Unless I've just missed it? :shrug:

[EnviroBat]

19. Jeezesh! When is this lying windbag go away already.

I can't stand listening to her anymore. It's like watching a typical republican bullshit artist in action.

BYE HILLARY.

[IndependentDem]

20. I'm sorry but...

i have tried to be fair and open-minded regarding the clinton campaign but lately i just want to scream "WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU THINKING??!!!??!"

I'm not one to HillaryHate or bash other dems or anything, but how can anyone defend this type of shit? i agree that Obama is not "the one" and that he has his problems, but FUCK!

[AspenRose]

24. *nodding*

What you said.

It's very, very sad.

[rocktivity]

23. Most likely because he's ahead in all the polls

:eyes:
rocknation

[GoesTo11]

25. Why imply that Obama is calling for voter suppresion?

Actual quote:

“I didn’t understand why Sen Obama (and some of his supporters) wanted to prevent you and (other states) from actually being able to vote.”

Pretty strong accusation if not true.

Think about the statement.

Think about the history of voter suppression.

About Jim Crow. In states like NC. What does this remind you of? Why bring this up? Who is the audience for this kind of statement? How does Clinton want them to react?

[fascisthunter]

26. please bow out

Hillary, you are a fucking embarrassment.

[Kokonoe]

28. That was excellent, perfect.

I think she secretly lives on a peach farm. Her accent was impeccable.

Her base is solidly behind her, but she needs the bigots now.

Why does she not just be a movie star.

[ProfessorPlum]

30. Didn't pick up on it the first time I heard it, but

she was certainly good there - "Ah'm looking forward to havin' a real conversation."

[Grinchie]

29. "I'd like to have a real conversation"

Sorry Hillary, I don't believe you are capable of "Having a real conversation", despite your claims to the otherwise.

More Blah Blah Blah from the Chicken McNugget(C) candidacy.

It's Hillary twisting the semantics of People asking her to step down gracefully and making them "WRONG" at the same time, all with a smiling face and as sweet as can be. Her advisors are so out of touch it is almost painful to watch her self-immolate.

[wowimthere]

31. She's a liar. I didn't misspeak! Bush lite.

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. yin and yang of it

Everytime Obama opens his mouth it is about hope and what he will do in regards to the whole country (ie. to end the war). A positive, forward looking perspective.

Everytime Hillary opens her mouth it is only about bashing Obama, trying to put herself above others, berating her opponent, even lying about him. Negative negative negative.

[NorthCarolina]

33. I don't get her point. How could Obama keep us from voting here in NC?

Is she implying that he wants to keep us from voting by having her drop out? I think the primary will be held whether she's in the race at that point or not. I changed my registration from Unaffiliated to Dem so I could vote for Kucinich, but now I will be voting for Obama as he seems to be (according to the media at any rate) the most liberal (aka progressive) one still standing.

[Name removed]

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[Ned_Devine]

36. To whom are you referring as " you stupid ass "?

[NorthCarolina]

37. He responded to my post

so I assume he was referring to me. I don't pay much attention to posters like this so no big deal.

[Ned_Devine]

38. word

[defendandprotect]

35. QUIT HRC . . . QUIT . .. !!! If the Bosnia fiasco wasn't enough to have

everyone question your mental health ---

or would you just prefer to be understood to be a liar --- ????

then consider that you're at this point an embarrassment to women and the

Democratic Party ---

Please go ---

[Vattel]

39. Before you crucify Hillary, consider the possibility

that she was responding to Obama's remark that the primary is like a “very good movie that lasted about half-an-hour too long,” and to many explicit calls for her to drop out by Leahy, etc. I don't think it's unreasonable to interpret Obama's remark as a suggestion that she should quit, especially since it coincided with explicit calls for her to quit. But later Obama explicitly said that she should stay in the race for as long as she wants. My guess is that someone told him it would generate bad press for him to continue to suggest that she should drop out, but I could easily be wrong.

[Usrename]

43. How do get from that to accusing him of interfering with the vote?

Don't you see a disconnect here?

Sounds like she's just making stuff up again.

[crankychatter]

42. This LIE worked so well on FL and MI, let's try NC

makes sense to me

[InsultComicDog]

46. Even if she dropped out they would still vote

so her claim is ridiculous on its face.

And of course he has not called for her to drop out (though I suppose one could make a supposition that the calls that were made for Senator Clinton to drop out were part of a coordinated "good cop bad cop" strategy on the part of Senator Obama's campaign).

[Rocky2007]

47. Jeezs!!!!!

Another lie comes from her mouth and wants us to believe it. NC is a 'slam dunk' for Obama -- why wouldn't he want them to vote? :think: