Hillary with Joe and Mika on "Morning Joe," 4/8

[DeepModem Mom]

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[AX10]

1. She is brave!

[pedo]

2. yeah voting with the majority of senators to authorize the invasion was so brave!

and now that majority of americans are against it, opposing the war she authorized is so brave!

thats the kind of leader i want!

[AX10]

13. No, to go on Joe's show.

MSNBC is hostile territory for Hillary.

Also, by your definition, John Kerry is just a weakling for going along with the majority.

[rhett o rick]

14. All the Democrats that choose to give Bush/Cheney war powers should be included in the war

crimes trials. It wasn't just wrong it was criminal. They are war criminals. Instead of doing the right thing as they are sworn to do, they choose Bush/Cheney, they choose Bush/Cheney over us. They weren't fooled, they knew what they were doing, they CHOOSE, get it, it was a choice, they gave the neocon monsters war powers and haven't done schite about it since. WAR CRIMINALS the lot of them.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. I'd like to see Obama speak on scripted and sound like he knows what he's talking about...

you know on stuff of subsance like poloicy and plans


hah I won't ever hold my breath for that one tho

[Apollo11]

5. An ability to speak clearly and intelligently without reading off a script is not important.

What we need is someone who can remember and repeat his stump speech every single day.

Apparently. :eyes:

[democracy1st]

6. LMAO

:wtf:

[Kahuna]

7. I guess you missed the last few debates where Obama whipped

hillary's butt.

[sallyseven]

8. He never ever beat her,

[ElsewheresDaughter]

10. the only thing Obama ever said in all the debates....

"I agree with Senator Clinton on this one".....the dude never had any other answer.

watch the debates again, my friend

[quantass]

12. I SECOND THAT!! She was demolished in the debates and everything else!

[iconicgnom]

4. what disturbs me

Her message about the need for universal healthcare is true enough. So it isn't all bleak, seeing Hillary on Morning Joe. In fact I think the healthcare issue can only play to Democratic strength, even when explained by Hillary on FOX.

What disturbs me is how hooked she is on Joe. Likewise I'm disturbed by the way she seems to be hooked on the purported "leadership qualities" of McCain. How the hell is she gauging this, to make these kinds of judgements? Suckup phrases adulating extreme right leaders and mouthpieces disturb me, when uttered by anyone. In my mind, that kind of thing can't be laughed off as being "just words". Any more than words of hope can be dismissed as worthless. That's why I'm not a cynic.

What disturbs me is how a lot of fuss is made trying to distance Hillary from her campaign strategist, a man who's been in the Clinton orbit since forever -- but no effort is given to explaining Bill Clinton's role regarding the identical matters.

[sallyseven]

9. Disturbed are you?

That explains your post.

[iconicgnom]

11. yes, of course

That's why I put it in the subject header.

I'm particularly disturbed by Bill's actions vis-a-vis Columbian politics as outlined by Sam Stein at Huffington Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/08/bill-clintons-ties-to-col_n_95651.html
And I'm bothered by Mark Penn's connection with Charlie Black
http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

As in, there's a cognitive dissonance when I juxtapose those facts with a belief that I can't seem to shake, that the Democratic party tends to coalesce around a progressive movement at center, even though that coalescing is painfully slow.

I agree with Naomi Klein, though, from The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/klein
"now is the time when candidates are most open to pressure. For instance, Hillary Clinton just announced that she will co-sponsor legislation to ban the use of private military companies--exactly one day after my Nation colleague Jeremy Scahill revealed that both Clinton and Obama were poised to let the mercenaries stay in Iraq even if the troops come home. Pushing candidates on the issues during a campaign can have a real impact, so can we please move beyond superfandom?"

What is Obama's response?

With the only alternative being McCain and the Republican party I'll breathe a long sigh of relief if either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama wins in November. Either one will have a hell of a job turning around the current momentum. Each will require all the support that they can get -- but *never* to the point of willful blindness.

[rhett o rick]

15. Should she be judged on what she now says or what her actions proved??

I am not ready to forgive her or any of those that choose war over sanity.

[iconicgnom]

16. by their actions

It's a truism, one can know people by their actions.

By the time the Iraq war vote came along everyone who'd been following events knew where Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft and the PNAC gang were taking things. There was no doubt whatsoever what that vote meant. That 2002 vote indicts a lot of Dems. Hillary said she has no regret for that vote. Her very late conversion has no force of conviction and I don't believe her for a nanosecond.

Her Kyle-Lieberman vote was totally predictable - she's clearly on the same page with Lieberman and co., and always will be.

[rhett o rick]

17. Absolutely right. I can remember well the vote to go to war. I remember Tom Dashel giving a speech

where covered all of my concerns, my suspicions, he brought up all the issues that needed to be worked out first. Then he stabbed us in the back. He bowed down and kissed King Georges shoes. I went thru a lot of emotions then and can not, will not forgive those Democrats that stabbed us in the back. The reason they did was probably the worst. They were cowards, they choose to allow Bush/Cheney to go to war and possibly ruin the country not to speak of ruining Iraq. They did so because they were afraid to stand up and do what was right. So much for a representative government.

If anyone has a source for Tom Dashel's speech, I would love a copy.