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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:40 PM
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Obama disrespects War Veterans
 
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Dear Senators and Superdelagates:

Senator Barrack Obama has insulted myself and my relatives in the Philippines. Today is the annual anniversary of the Bataan Death March. Mr. Obama reduced the race toward the Democratic Nomination for President to the Bataan Death March during WWII in the Philippines:

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright." -- Sen. Barack Obama (NYC, NY 3.27.08)
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:41 PM
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1. Here's what I would do if I were you.
Don't vote for him.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:42 PM
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3. yeah, we got that covered..
thanks!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:56 PM
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20. Shame on you. You know he had no dispersive intent with
his remark. If you have never said you were beat when you were tired or whipped when frustrated or something similar,I would say you are perfectly politically correct. He all know no one is and neither is Obama. Get real and don't be divisive and hurtful.

Obama would be hurt by your insinuation probably more than these people in the video because they know how this was meant and how trivial you are making their plight by attacking a good man over a reference that he made to bring home a point that some in his party were making things seem as if they were the worst thing that could happen, And that would be the Death March.

Be helpful and have respect for Hillary's sake. She would not want anyone to represent her this way.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:52 PM
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33. Obama is a cold blooded cobra with a dimwitt for a wife!
It is what it is!
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:02 PM
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35. Barack's warm heart loves his girls and honors his brilliant wife.
Some people hate what they do not understand.A change is comin' and if you don't want it, you must be very pleased with the state of our country, the world, and the path which has been acceptable to Hillary through her tenure as Senator.

Why are you afraid of change? Why are you afraid to give the people of this country a chance to try a new administration?

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:48 PM
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37. Obama's love for himself and his immediate family
does nothing for me or my country..read up thread all the broken promises to War Veteran in Ill and get beck to me when he accomplishes something to earn my vote.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-13-08 12:04 AM
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38. He would not have done the public work he did. if his family
and his self were his only concern.Don't tear him apart. He does not deserve it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:42 PM
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2. Obama looks down on Americans..
why would anyone want to vote for this pretender?
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jedreport Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:43 PM
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4. this is what happens when you're too politically correct
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:48 PM
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5. You seem to look down on Americans as well
You think we are all stupid enough to buy your claims
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:07 PM
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11. Why do you think Obama would look down on Americans?
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:32 PM
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22. He doesn't, you do
You think we are stupid enough to buy what you and Hillary are selling
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:43 AM
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25. You're wrong... We know Hillary. We don't know Obama.
You can't say for certain because Obama has never been vetted.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:36 AM
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27. Yes we are getting to know hillary better, that's why her popularity
is plummetting
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:47 PM
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30. Here's what we know about Hillary... She can beat the Republicans
Obama won't, because he cannot!
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Popol Vuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:14 PM
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36. Yeah, that's the problem
We know Hillary. That's why there's no way in hell we'll ever endorse her with our vote. n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:50 PM
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32. No, I just think you're stupid...period.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:49 PM
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6. Dude, did you just reply to your own post??
Not that it surprises me, but that's just silly.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:51 PM
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7. Even if you don't want to vote for him, how can you say that?
I see good points and bad points to both Clinton and Obama. I don't think either looks down on Americans. He might be your president someday, and I hope you can back him as a Democrat.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:23 AM
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26. No he doesn't
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:54 PM
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8. you know, I'll bet he stepped....
on an ant one time....man I'll never vote for him.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:56 PM
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9. Well that's certainly much worse than Bush not funding the VA or Walter Reed
I think I'm going to stay at home and suck on my thumb while Bush's heir apparent is elected and proceeds to fuck over the nation's veterans.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:40 PM
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16. yeah, I know , Obama did the same thing..
While Illinois’, and the Nation’s, Veterans Suffer, Obama Campaigns

Illinois’ disabled veterans are at “rock bottom” — “dead last” — in benefits and claims processing of applications for disability. But Illinois’ veterans take a back seat because their junior senator is running for president. And that senator, Barack Obama, has missed an astonishing number of hearings and meetings of the Senate Veterans committee.


Obama is nothing if not audacious in touting his veterans committee membership as contributing to his “foreign policy”
experience for the presidency, while his own state’s veterans suffer. The Chicago Sun-Times ran a devastating
investigative series in 2004-2005 (see Truthout) that showed that Illinois’ veterans rank last, or near-last (depends on the graph) in disability awards of the 50 states and Puerto Rico (Illinois average: $6,961; New Mexico average: $12,004).

The New York Times’s 2007 article shows Illinois’ disabled soldiers are still waiting over two years later: “Illinois, which has deployed the sixth-highest number of soldiers of any state, has the second-largest backlog.”

Sen. Obama admitted he didn’t know anything about problems at Walter Reed before the WaPo’s shattering series. And Sen. Obama has missed KEY votes for disabled veterans — including a measure that would create “common disability ratings.”
Obama claimed that veterans committee was “one of my first priorities.” He said, “One of my first priorities was obtaining a seat on the Veterans Committee…And the thing that I pledged when I was sworn in as the Senator was that if nothing else in the first couple of years in the Senate, I could make absolutely certain that there would have been a strong advocate in the United States Senate,” at a Veterans Town Hall Meeting, May 23, 2005.

But Obama has skipped 19 of 37 VA committee meetings in the 109th Congress. Obama’s attendance record was the second worst of all Democrats on the committee. He attended just 18 of the committee’s 37 meetings in Washington D.C.

On the campaign trail, Obama stresses the importance of providing “the best care” for veterans and their families:
“Providing the best care for our service members, veterans and their families is one thing about this war we can still get right.”

But Sen. Obama has continually skipped hearings on the veterans budget.Chairman Craig opened a hearing Obama missed and said, “we will consider today … legislation touching on veterans insurance, housing, burial, compensation, and employee benefits.” Obama also missed all four committee hearings in a series that focused on the President’s proposed 2007 budget for the Department of Veterans Affairs. Ranking Senator Akaka noted during the hearings that “we must learn a lesson from last year’s budget crisis and do everything we can to ensure that veterans and their family members have access to health care and benefits they have earned."

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(From the GPO on 6/23/05, 2/28/06, 3/2/06, 3/7/06, March 9, 2006.)

Obama stresses the importance of veterans health care: “Long as there are wounded service members receiving substandard medical care, we have failed in our duty to honor the commitment of the brave men and women who chose to serve. We must provide our returning heroes and their families with every resource they need to rebuild their lives,”
Obama said in a press release on April 10, 2007.

But Obama skipped a hearing about expanding veterans’ health services. Craig opened, “We also have legislation before us to specifically address the demand for long-term care. As the veteran population ages, the demand for long-term care has increased accordingly.” Akaka added that the committee would consider legislation that would encourage
“creative ways to help alleviate the burden on caregivers while expanding services to veterans.”
(From the GPO, May 11, 2006.)
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Obama also skipped a hearing to create insurance benefits for veterans in rehabilitation. Craig announced that the committee would “hear testimony about the traumatically injured protection under service members’ group life insurance benefit.” Akaka declared that “this insurance program helps ease the financial burden” on a hospitalized service member’s family.

(From the GPO on September 7, 2006.)

In another press release, in May 2007, Obama pledged to provide the “best treatment for our service members”: He said, “Providing the best treatment for our service members is one thing about this war we can still get right.”

But Obama skipped the hearing on improving veterans’ health care access. “In many cases, VA’s facilities are located where veterans used to live, not where they now live,” noted Chairman Craig. The legislation under consideration was “designed in part to address the changes in the demographics of our veterans’ population and follows America’s medicine’s transformation from hospital-centric to patient-centric delivery of care.” (From the GPO on April 6, 2006.)
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Sen. Obama also missed an “exceedingly important” nomination hearing for the VA’s Undersecretary for Health. “Dr. Perlin to serve as VA’s Under Secretary for Health,” announced Chairman Craig. “This is an exceedingly important position. The Under Secretary, in effect, serves as CEO of the VA’s entire health care system, the largest integrated health care system in the United States. Dr. Perlin, this is a big, big, big job.”
(From the GPO on April 7, 2005.)

Sen. Obama Has Skipped Important Votes For Veterans in the U.S. Senate

Sen. Obama missed the vote to eliminate requirement that severance pay be deducted from disability compensation: Obama did not vote for the Levin, D-Mich., amendment No. 2019 to the Levin substitute amendment No. 2011. (The Levin amendment would establish a Defense Department and Veterans Affairs Interagency Program Office to implement a joint
electronic health record system and eliminate the current requirement that severance pay be deducted from disability compensation for disabilities incurred in a combat zone. It would authorize $50 million for the treatment and
rehabilitation of service members with traumatic brain injury or post-traumatic stress disorder and create common
disability ratings to determine those eligible for care. The substitute would authorize $648.3 billion for defense programs in fiscal 2008, ncluding $127.5 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It also
would authorize $143.5 billion for operations and maintenance; $109.9 billion for procurement; $122.9 billion for military personnel and $74.7 billion for research development, testing and evaluation.


(The Senate vote results: #246, Amdt. 2019 to HR 1585,

Passed 94-0: R 48-0; D 44-0 (ND 39-0, SD 5-0); I 2-0; 7/12/07;

HRC voted yea while Obama did not vote.)


Obama missed a vote to provide $109.3 billion in fiscal 2008 for the Department of Veterans Affairs: Obama did not vote for passage of the bill that would provide $109.3 billion in fiscal 2008 for the Department of Veterans Affairs, military construction and military housing. The bill would provide $87.5 billion for the Department of Veterans Affairs, including $37.2 billion for veterans health programs. It would provide $41.2 billion in mandatory spending for veterans’ service-connected compensation benefits and pensions. The bill would provide $9.8 billion for military construction, $2.9 billion for military family housing and $8.5 billion for the latest round of base closures. As amended, the bill would provide $100 million in emergency funding for the Homeland Security Department to reimburse state and local law enforcement entities for security and related costs associated with the 2008 presidential candidate nominating conventions.

(From Vote 316, HR 2642

(Fiscal 2008 Military Construction-VA Appropriations),
Passed 92-1: R 47-1; D 43-0 (ND 39-0, SD 4-0); I 2-0, 9/6/07;

HRC voted yea while Obama did not vote. Walter Reed


Obama admitted he did not know of problems at Walter Reed hospital before story was published in Washington Post:

But when asked if he knew, as a member of the Veterans Affairs Committee, about the problems at Walter Reed Hospital before the story was published in the Washington Post, Obama admitted he didn’t. He tried to explain: ‘People will acknowledge that the medical facility at Walter Reed does great work. Unfortunately, what it turned out was the
outpatient facilities were disastrous.’” — in the Chicago Sun-Times, June 4, 2007

- From Washington Times editorial

(Yes, it’s the Washington Times, but remember that this is exactly what the GOP would say about Obama in a general election):

Obama’s Walter Reed bill is ‘classic scandal legislation which makes the sponsor look good but does little to solve the issue’ “The remedies much discussed this week, courtesy of Democratic Sens. Claire McCaskill
and Barack Obama, are laughable if they are intended to solve the systemic problems. They are a bandaid on a gaping wound. The senators’ call for simplifying paperwork, hiring more caseworkers and improving their training, requiring more oversight from inspectors general, improved reporting to Congress, establishing facility-repair timelines
and increasing psychological counseling. It pains us to cry cynical politics because these measures would be worthy and welcome, but they are too small-bore and reactive to make a significant difference. This is classic scandal legislation which makes the sponsor look good but does little to solve the issue.”

By the way: What happened to that “laughable” legislation? Its useful provisions were incorporated by the Armed Services Committee, on which Sen. Hillary Clinton is a highly proactive member and works with her Republican colleagues, into better legislation that passed the Senate.

From The Buffalo News, October 29, 2007:

Besides, throughout the year, Clinton has chosen to be in Washington for big moments far more often than her rival candidates.

On July 12, for example, she cut short a trip to Detroit to return to D.C. to vote on an amendment boosting aid for wounded veterans — a vote all the other presidential candidates missed.

Sen. Obama hung around at the NAACP convention in Detroit.


However, Sen. Clinton rushed back to Washington, D.C. to vote on the “landmark legislation to improve care for wounded troops and veterans when they return home from battle.”

(From Sen. Patty Murray’s press release,

“Murray Lauds Passage Of Senate Wounded Warrior Bill.”)


See also: “Obama Talks the Talk, But Where’s the Walk?,”

which reveals that Obama, as chairman of the Subcommittee on European Affairs for the Senate Foreign Relations committee, has not held a single hearing.


There are people who do the work. Then there are people who just talk.
Screw hope. Give me the one who gets it done.

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 07:56 PM
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10. It's a common phrase, suck it up
fucking lame
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:13 PM
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12. where is a link to what he said?
Edited on Fri Apr-11-08 08:34 PM by madrchsod
where was he at when he made this comment? do you have a link?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:52 PM
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18. Link:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:13 PM
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21. thanks
a bit over the top on that comparison..we half agree on something.....
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:49 PM
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31. When faced with documented Truisms..
they always seem over the Top.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:23 PM
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IowaGirl Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:26 PM
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14. Vets for Hillary are on a month-long, 37-city tour across PA
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:39 PM
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15. I don't believe it was intentional...
I would call it insensitive, though, but not a campaign killer, IMO. I'm a Hillary supporter, BTW.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:43 PM
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17. Here's the main reason you have no credibility whatsoever:
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 08:54 PM
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19. Heres the main reason Obama has no credibility..
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Clovis Sangrail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:00 PM
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34. thanks for pointing that out
It read like Chinese propaganda.

:rofl:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-11-08 09:43 PM
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23. Hillary's vote created MORE war veterans with a politically expedient vote
many who don't get proper financial or health support.

Many maimed seriously.

Many who have completely lost their independence.

Many who didn't have adequate protective gear or vehicles.

A war based on lies.

A war vote that was politically expedient.

The ultimate betrayal
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Publius2008 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 01:10 AM
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24. ???
This seems like a pretty silly criticism. The Bataan Death march is our lexicon because we all know that it was horrible. It means no disrespect.
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flowersgallore Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 08:42 AM
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28. I don't think Obama was disrespectful
The reference to the Bataan death March was simply a metaphor. He did not mean it literally. Metaphors are common in our discourse.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:24 AM
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29. so isnt Hillary's sniper comment disrespect to all the Bosnia troops???
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