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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:12 PM
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SEN DORGAN: THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD NOT STAND FOR THIS!
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 02:12 PM by seemslikeadream
 
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:36 PM
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1. Must see video!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:46 PM
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2. WTH are these people doing?
We have so many crooks in this administration it isn't funny.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 02:54 PM
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3. Listen, I'm pretty jaded,
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 02:54 PM by gateley
but I was GOBSMACKED watching this! This is so blatant yet the Republicans vote against investigating it? And I'm sure this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I've sent this video to all my friends with a plea to VOTE the next time they have the opportunity -- to get more Dems in the Senate and keep 'em in Congress.

I've also e-mailed my Senators (again) and expressed my outrage and told them they've lost my support (again -- which they never really had), and e-mailed Senator Dorgan's office to thank him and vow to support him in his next run.

I'm going to e-mail Cafferty on CNN - he seems willing to delve into stuff like this. Especially if he got a lot of e-mails, fellow DUers....



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:01 PM
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4. I was GOBSMACKED
Look at the DU link 50 some deleted posts
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:13 PM
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5. Wow! I'm going to hunker in and read it all.
I missed it initially -- thank you - and thanks for reminding me to go to that link.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:47 PM
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6. So, we know the Democrats can whine about it
but what are they going to DO about it? How about f*ing impeaching some of these crooks, instead of just using their evilness as a platform for getting more power which the Democrats won't use? WTF.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:47 PM
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7. I'm on dial up. Could someone please explain the gist of this thread and/or the video, please.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:07 PM
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9. Can you read this thread?
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 04:51 PM
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10. Yes, I knew about this, what does that have to do with this thread or the video?
That was a few weeks ago, I have no doubt you are offering a sort of update, but I haven't a clue what. Rather than inform you'd seem to prefer to be rude though.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:44 PM
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12. I'm sorry I didn't mean to be rude
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 06:10 PM by seemslikeadream
I thought maybe you were having a problem linking to it because of being on dial up like you mentioned, please forgive me.


The picture Dorgan holds up at the very beginning is the subject of the OP, Efraim Diveroli


I just found this video so I thought I'd post it


and btw the story only broke I believe March 27? Yea I guess it was two weeks ago but there's way more to the story and I'm watching it closely
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 03:57 PM
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8. thank you SLaD. k&r.
:hi:
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 05:11 PM
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11. delete, cause I didn't like the way it sounded.
Edited on Sat Apr-12-08 05:15 PM by bluesmail
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 06:01 PM
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13. Dorgan Floor Speech
Mr. DORGAN. Mr. President, 2 weeks ago, I had a chance to meet Herman Wouk, who is one of America's greatest authors. He wrote ``Caine Mutiny'' and he wrote ``War and Remembrance.'' He is 91 years old and a remarkable man, just a remarkable man. He was telling me something kind of in jest. He said:

GPO's PDFYou know, I don't know much about what happened after 1945, but I know everything that happened before 1945. He was talking about his body of work, his research on the Second World War and prior to that period of time. And he wrote wonderful books, as all of us know. He is one of America's greatest authors.
Herman Wouk and I were talking about the Iraq war and talking about the stories about the Iraq war, and he said to me: Do you know anything about the Truman Committee? Do you know anything about what happened in the Second World War with President Harry Truman, then-Senator Harry Truman, who created a committee, a special committee in the United States Senate, bipartisan, to go after this issue of contract fraud that was going on with respect to defense contracting? I told him I certainly did know about the Truman committee, and we have had, I believe, four votes in the Senate that I offered as amendments to establish a Truman committee.

At this point I want to show my colleagues a photograph of a man. I don't know this man personally. This comes from a Thursday, March 27, edition of the New York Times.

I read an article about this man on an airplane, and I was struck by it because it is such an unbelievable story, and it is another chapter of, in my judgment, a shameful series of chapters of abuse of the American people by contractors with respect to the Iraq war.

The New York Times published this article, and this is a picture of a 22-year-old man from Miami Beach. He had gotten contracts worth over $300 million in U.S. taxpayers' dollars, and he had signed a contract with the U.S. Army to provide arms to Afghan soldiers.

Apparently, we, as taxpayers, and the U.S. Army, were trying to provide additional arms for the Afghan Army with which to fight and defend itself. So this 22-year-old man got a $300 million contract from the Army Sustainment Command, through a company that had been a shell for a number of years established by this man's father. Mr. Diveroli is his name. This is a mug shot from the Miami Dade Police Department. He had allegedly assaulted a parking lot attendant and had a forged driver's license when he was arrested, which made him out to be 4 years older than he really was. He told police he had gotten the forged driver's license to buy alcohol, but now that he was over 21 he didn't need it any longer.

So this is a 22-year-old man who was the CEO of a company called AEY based in Miami Beach. And this is a picture of the building that was headquarters for his company, but there was nothing on any door in the building. Apparently, in one part of this building an office was supposed to be his office, but there was nothing that identified his office.

And here is a picture of his vice president, the vice president of this company, this company to which the U.S. Army gave a $300 million contract. The vice president is a 25-year-old masseur named David Packouz. He is the former vice president of the firm that got $300 million. So you have a 22-year-old and a 25-year-old masseur who get $300 million from the U.S. Army.

Now, what did they do with the $300 million? Well, the next photograph, again from the New York Times, shows outdated ammunition sold to Afghan forces, including 40-year-old Chinese-made cartridges. So these folks got $300 million and they were providing mid-1960s cartridges to the Afghan Army, which the Afghan Army was receiving in cardboard boxes that had not been properly taped and were falling apart. The Afghan Army described these armaments as junk. Here is an Afghan policeman surveying 42-year-old Chinese ammunition that arrived in crumbling boxes.

Again, American taxpayers, through the Army Sustainment Command, paid hundreds of millions of dollars to a company that previously had been a shell company, a shell corporation, now run by a 22-year-old who says that he is the only employee of the corporation.

Now, Mr. President, I have spent a lot of time on the floor of the Senate on these kinds of issues. It is pretty unbelievable when you think about it. I don't know Mr. Diveroli personally. Never met him. I do know that three reporters from the New York Times Ðdid some extraordinary work--C.J. Chivers, Eric Schmitt, and Nicholas Wood, to expose his activities. I don't know how long it took them to do this investigative piece, but it is two full pages inside the New York Times. They obviously traveled to Afghanistan and other countries to finish this investigative piece. We wouldn't know about this issue were it not for investigative reports by the New York Times.

In January of 2007, that is just 14 months ago, the most recent award, which I believe was $150 million, was given by the Army Sustainment Command, and the Army Sustainment Command said:


AEY's proposal represented the best value to the government.


I am telling you, this part of the U.S. Army has a lot of explaining to do to this Congress and to the American people. This is the same Army Sustainment Command and, incidentally, the same general in charge of the Army Sustainment Command who went to a hearing here in the Senate, and following my testimony before a hearing about the water problems in Iraq and about Halliburton Corporation providing water to the troops, nonpotable water that was twice as contaminated as raw water from the Euphrates River, we had the evidence, internal Halliburton

memorandums, saying it was a near miss. It could have caused mass sickness or death. This is the same general who went to that Senate committee and said: Never happened.

Well, now the inspector general has finished an investigation and said in fact it did happen. It did happen. This general has some explaining to do.

I have asked Secretary Gates, the Defense Secretary, to ask this general to explain himself, and so should this Congress.

But I don't understand, I just don't understand how even following information sent to this country, to the Army Sustainment Command by U.S. military officers in Afghanistan, saying what they are sending over here in the form of armaments under this contract is junk and it needs to stop, even following that it continued. It is an unbelievable amount of government waste .

This is but one issue. And we wouldn't know about it if it were not for the New York Times. This has been going on for years. We have been fighting in Iraq longer than we were fighting in the Second World War.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 07:19 PM
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14. Rethuglican criminals continue to openly rob taxpayers blind
and not a peep from the MSM? What a surprise!

I guess they have more important things to do like kissing McCrazy's ass 24/7 to bother reporting on anything of substance.

Note: the many Dems who voted to keep flushing more billions down the Iraq toilet are just as culpable as the thuglicans.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:09 PM
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15. A class action suit against war profiteers
with bipartisan support, backed up by a unified country would be the ticket. This could only happen if the American people put aside petty differences and unify to sue for the money stolen from us. This money belongs to us, it is ours, not theirs, this money is for our children, our grandchildren, for veterans and their families, and to maintain the infrastructure, integrity and safety of our country. This is money out of our paychecks that we entrusted to our representatives, and we have been betrayed.
Go ahead and laugh and ridicule all you want, but you know this is the only way out. We can impeach and we can hold hearings for corruption and some scapegoats may actually go to jail, but real justice involves getting our power in the form of money returned. The best part is, this would be the worst nightmare for the rich neo cons that perpetrated these crimes.
I believe we would have international support, there are just too many people who have been screwed by these bastards.
Our country is bankrupt. We need the money back in order to function.
It just burns me that Cheney, Bush and Co. will get away with the money if nothing is done about it!!
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-12-08 10:15 PM
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16. WHAT!?!?!?!?!?
send this to EVERYONE you know. NOW!
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 12:09 PM
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17. Good for Dorgan
Edited on Mon Apr-14-08 12:10 PM by George Oilwellian
This should become a major campaign topic for the GE. I would bet McCain voted against the Truman Committee proposal. Let's hang him with it.

War Profiteering is the subject of the current Robert Greenwald documentary, Iraq for Sale. Mentioned in that film and written about frequently is the need for Congress to exercise oversight of War Profiteering by establishing an investigative body like the Truman Committee (sometimes referred to as the Truman Commission).

In one of many attempts by Democrats to establish such oversight, Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., introduced an amendment titled "Honest Leadership and Accountability in Contracting Act of 2006" to the Defense Authorization bill last June. It was defeated 55-43, with every single Republican Senator voting against it. In speaking for his amendment, Sen. Dorgan said, "This is a vote that we had before in the Senate. It is a vote on the establishment of a type of committee called a Truman Committee. The Truman Committee was established in the early 1940s to try to root out waste, fraud, and abuse in military contracting. That was done when there was a Democrat in the White House, a Democratically controlled Senate, and a Democratic Senator named Harry Truman. He decided there ought to be a special investigation of waste, fraud, and abuse with respect to military contracting. They established a bipartisan committee to do that. They found a massive amount of waste, fraud, and abuse. I think it is clear that perhaps the most significant amount of waste, fraud, and abuse that has ever occurred in this country is occurring right now. I think the American taxpayers are being fleeced."

The Truman Committee is reported to have saved American taxpayers somewhere between $11 billion and $15 billion (in 1940s dollars). Republicans keep claiming that they want to cut taxes, that they want to cut spending, but you sure can't tell it from the rampant War Profiteering over which they actively choose to exercise no control. Gee, could it have anything to do with defense contractors filling Republican campaign coffers?


Many good references are available to learn more about the original Truman Committee, why we need such a committee now, and the efforts by Democrats to establish one. See:
www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Truman_Committee.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman#Truman_Committee
www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=18536
www.alternet.org/story/33131/
www.alternet.org/story/37849/
www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/12190
www.csmonitor.com/2006/0616/p03s03-uspo.html
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-14-08 01:05 PM
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18. the American people are being insulted and treated like fools
from this filthy regime we have in DC, I find them so insulting to all of us, why take their sh$t are we that powerless not to do something.......oh, nevermind.
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