The Warmonger Hillary! - MIA from post debates!! (Maddow/Olbermann)

[babylonsister]

Run time: 06:03 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kw70_uJ7y_s   Posted on YouTube: April 18, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: April 19, 2008 By DU Member: babylonsister Views on DU: 2293

 
KO once again rightly points out why no one in the media takes on and talks about this SERIOUS and SIGNIFICANT matter!
She did not read the NIE before voting for Iraq war. She clearly did not read the NIE again!! on Iran !!!

[dkf]

1. holy cow. That is the scariest thing I have seen yet.

k&r bigtime.

[stellanoir]

2. Ughhh

warmonger indeed.

I love watching Rachel and Keith.

Thanks for posting.

K & R'd as always.

[dkf]

3. Here is the transcript of the debate.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/16/us/politics/16text-debate.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=15&adxnnlx=1208636085-ntXX9BZ/rZlw23mxrF8f+g

Well, in fact, George, I think that we should be looking to create an umbrella of deterrence that goes much further than just Israel. Of course I would make it clear to the Iranians that an attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation from the United States, but I would do the same with other countries in the region.

You know, we are at a very dangerous point with Iran. The Bush policy has failed. Iran has not been deterred. They continue to try to not only obtain the fissile material for nuclear weapons but they are intent upon and using their efforts to intimidate the region and to have their way when it comes to the support of terrorism in Lebanon and elsewhere.

And I think that this is an opportunity, with skillful diplomacy, for the United States to go to the region and enlist the region in a security agreement vis-a-vis Iran. It would give us three tools we don't now have.

Number one, we've got to begin diplomatic engagement with Iran, and we want the region and the world to understand how serious we are about it. And I would begin those discussions at a low level. I certainly would not meet with Ahmadinejad, because even again today he made light of 9/11 and said he's not even sure it happened and that people actually died. He's not someone who would have an opportunity to meet with me in the White House. But I would have a diplomatic process that would engage him.

And secondly, we've got to deter other countries from feeling that they have to acquire nuclear weapons. You can't go to the Saudis or the Kuwaitis or UAE and others who have a legitimate concern about Iran and say: Well, don't acquire these weapons to defend yourself unless you're also willing to say we will provide a deterrent backup and we will let the Iranians know that, yes, an attack on Israel would trigger massive retaliation, but so would an attack on those countries that are willing to go under this security umbrella and forswear their own nuclear ambitions.

[SOS]

19. Saudi Arabia to Clinton's "security umbrella" - No thanks

Saudia Arabia working on secret nuclear program with Pakistan help
03.28.2006

BERLIN (AFX) - Saudi Arabia is working secretly on a nuclear program, with help from Pakistani experts, the German magazine Cicero reported in its latest edition, citing Western security sources.

It says that during the Haj pilgrimages to Mecca in 2003 through 2005, Pakistani scientists posed as pilgrims to come to Saudi Arabia.


http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/03/28/afx2629000.html

Will those nuclear warheads be aimed east or west?

[AntiFascist]

20. Wasn't Saudi Arabia also forging ties with Iran fairly recently?

Just saying....the neocons never cease to aid in the arming of our "enemies".

[truedelphi]

4. So that the moderator's don't delete my comment

I will say it in Code:

IWNVFH!

Ever!

[Kurovski]

5. I'm not going to use that awful word about Hillary.

But I want to.

"Imperial Madam President" perhaps says it all.

Nice closing witticism by Ms. Maddow. K&R.

[1776Forever]

6. Will the Kyle-Lieberman Amendment Encourage Bush to Attack Iran? HRC voted for it! Link.......

Will the Kyle-Lieberman Amendment Encourage Bush to Attack Iran?

http://aloneonalimb.blogspot.com/2007/10/will-kyle-lieberman-amendment-encourage.html

(snip)

Sept 27, (2008) the Senate passed the Kyl-Lieberman amendment by a vote of 76 to 22. This bill designates the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) as a terrorist organization. Opponents of the amendment are saying that this amendment could give support to a Bush plan to attack Iran.

Senators who voted against the resolution were Senators Biden, Bingaman, Boxer, Brown, Byrd, Cantwell, Dodd, Feingold, Hagel, Harkin, Inouye, Kennedy, Kerry, Klobuchar, Leahy, Lincoln, Lugar, McCaskill, Sanders, Tester, Webb and Wyden.

Senators Obama and McCain did not vote, and Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the amendment.

Chris Dodd had this to say,

I cannot support the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on Iran. To do so could give this President a green light to act recklessly and endanger US national security. We learned in the run up to the Iraq war that seemingly nonbinding language passed by this Senate can have profound consequences. We need the president to use robust diplomacy to address concerns with Iran, not the language in this amendment that the president can point to if he decides to draw this country into another disastrous war of choice.

John Edwards in the New Hampshire debate said,

I voted for this war in Iraq, and I was wrong to vote for this war. And I accept responsibility for that. Senator Clinton also voted for this war. We learned a very different lesson from that. I have no intention of giving George Bush the authority to take the first step on a road to war with Iran.

Jim Webb said,

Those who regret their vote five years ago to authorize military action in Iraq should think hard before supporting this approach. Because, in my view, it has the same potential to do harm where many are seeking to do good.We haven’t had one hearing on this. I’m on the Foreign Relations Committee, I’m on the Armed Services Committee. We are about to vote on something that may fundamentally change the way the United States views the Iranian military and we haven’t had one hearing. This is not the way to make foreign policy. It’s not the way to declare war

A just published article by Seymour Hersh in The New Yorker Magazine outlines how the Bush administration is moving toward attacking Iran. Seymour writes:

This summer, the White House, pushed by the office of Vice-President Dick Cheney, requested that the Joint Chiefs of Staff redraw long-standing plans for a possible attack on Iran, according to former officials and government consultants. The focus of the plans had been a broad bombing attack, with targets including Iran’s known and suspected nuclear facilities and other military and infrastructure sites. Now the emphasis is on “surgical” strikes on Revolutionary Guard Corps facilities in Tehran and elsewhere, which, the Administration claims, have been the source of attacks on Americans in Iraq.

[understandinglife]

7. Recommend. And, Please DIGG IT ...

Link: http://digg.com/educational/The_Warmonger_Hillary_MIA_from_post_debates

Peace,
Bob

[thoughtcrime1984]

8. K&R!!!!

Scary shit

[Zachstar]

9. When a proposal shocks people on the right you know Clinton has made a serious mistake.

I think it is a good point that such action even surpasses what Bush has done in the middle east.

[bow-tie]

10. If I'm sick of the

Clinton's, the country must really be rolling. I know alot us of are(were) Clinton supporters in the day, but now,she needs to get jerked out of the race.
What would she do, run Independent like Leib? Siphon off votes for spite, yeah, she'd do it.

[Zachstar]

11. I don't think so.

I think she will eventually realize this is not going to work and will exit. She will command more power by going back to the senate and working towards the point where she may get to be the lead.

She is not dumb enough to risk going Independent. Her future would be completely destroyed.

[JDPriestly]

12. OK. One thing I have to say that is positive about Hillary.

She is dressing well. That turquoise scarf really worked on her. It makes her look taller and thinner, and the color makes her come alive. She has finally found a good consultant about her clothes. I don't know who it is, but the consultant knows what she or he is doing. The clothes work well. Now if she could only let up on the nasty campaign stuff.

[Taxmyth]

13. Are KO and RM really that stupid or are they just trying to create controversy to bring in ratings?

Both Senator Clinton said the exact same thing when it came to Iran getting or using nuclear weapons or attacking Israel. One used clear and concise language to get the point across so there was no misunderstanding, the other used deliberately obtuse language. But they both said the same thing so this faux outrage over Senator Clinton's words is truly ridiculous.

OBAMA: Well, our first step should be to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of the Iranians. And that has to be one of our top priorities, and I will make it one of our top priorities when I'm president of the United States.

I have said I will do whatever is required to prevent the Iranians from obtaining nuclear weapons.

I believe that that includes direct talks with the Iranians, where we are laying out very clearly for them: Here are the issues that we find unacceptable, not only development of nuclear weapons, but also funding terrorist organizations like Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as their anti-Israel rhetoric and threats toward Israel.

I believe that we can offer them carrots and sticks, but we've got to directly engage and make absolutely clear to them what our posture is. Now, my belief is that they should also know that I will take no options off the table when it comes to preventing them from using nuclear weapons or obtaining nuclear weapons.

And that would include any threats directed at Israel, or any of our allies.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you would extend our deterrent to Israel?

OBAMA: As I said before, I think it is very important that Iran understands that an attack on Israel, is an attack on our strongest ally in the region, one that we -- one whose security, we consider paramount. And that would be an act of aggression that we would -- that I would consider an attack that is unacceptable. And the United States would take appropriate action.

Is this language deliberately obtuse or is Senator Obama incapable of being straightforward and to the point as Senator Clinton is?

[JMDEM]

17. You are capable of overlooking anything, aren't you? nt.

[fascisthunter]

14. Holy Shit She is Insane.... no more hegemony

that's what's got our country into so much trouble. If people in this country can't see that by now, they are stupid or just insane.

Hillary... please leave the democratic party and take your DLC with you. The PNAC is waiting...

[windoe]

15. So it is the Military Industrial Complex

vs. The American People. Again. I have been watching this code talk from the beginning, that she is with the program, it concerns me greatly.

[Fedja]

16. What... the... holy... fuck

eom

[DS1]

18. God I hate that fucking opportunist

[sophiej1]

21. diplomacy?

where's the diplomacy?
Is there a dime's worth of difference between the DLC and the PNAC?

[JBoy]

22. She is at the point where she is literally saying anything she thinks might appeal to anyone.

Getting scarier by the day.