TYT: Crazy Hillary Supporter - Hillary Is Responsible for This

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 04:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XluSejBDiIQ   Posted on YouTube: June 03, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 03, 2008 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 5258

 
Also make to check out another TYT segment where an Author Discusses His New Book, "SPIES FOR HIRE: The Secret World of Intelligence Outsourcing." http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3374788&mesg_id=3374788

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[OhioChick]

1. Sensible Thoughts from Cenk, as Usual.

The woman was a raging lunatic...."inadequate black male??"

I'm speechless.... :wow:

A big K&R for this one...

[cufford]

6. Hillary Supporters

All I can say is: "Birds of a feather...flock together".

[Maraya1969]

9. Welcome to DU cufford

:hi:

[gateley]

14. Hate to dis your first post, but

not all of Hillary's supporters are whack. There DID happen to be a large 'flock' of them in DC on Saturday, though, I'll agree with you on that.
We've got some wonderful Hillary supporters here on DU who I'm proud to spar with!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

[cufford]

52. Poorly stated

I regret that I wasn't more specific in my comments.

I did NOT mean to imply that "all" Hillary supporters were alike as regards to the fringe example in the video. Rather I had a greater point which simply states that "birds of a feather" do indeed flock together. In other words, those who support Hillary mostly agree with her views and actions - are similar to her. That's common sense.

Of course given that, you still can't completely separate the supporter from the candidate. They share many traits.

Personally I find Hillary to be a vile, disingenuous, by-the-book beltway politician, i.e, more of the same. I believe that she's completely ingrained in the old-boy political system. An elitist who's self-serving more than otherwise, that she represents mostly what I don't like about our current system, i.e, representing the big money donors rather than us little people.

I also believe, by the way, that it's quite ironic when she claims "sexism" for some of her problems in this race. In fact, her greatest constituency are women, and a great many of which - I would guess a majority - are supporting her, more than any other reason, because she is a woman. So, to the contrary, you could just as easily say that she wouldn't be doing as well as she is, if she wasn't a woman.

Obviously, I do not care for Hillary and so to see how some of her supporters have been acting doesn't surprise me. The DNC meeting on Saturday was just so illuminating about the candidate, by proxy of some of her supporters.

I'm not saying that all of her supporters are like that - obviously they are not - but I do believe the birds of a feather do flock together and they do so because they share many traits in common.

Thanks for listening.

[papau]

82. Obama/DNC ran the usual pro-Obama scame w/ 75% of seats reserved for Obama - made a few folks angry

[Deep13]

59. Well you don't have to worry...

...as we will likely be flocking elsewhere.

[liberalhistorian]

106. You want four more years of Bush with McSame,

yeah, that makes a lot of fucking sense.

[youngharry]

10. Harriet Christian

The first thing I would do if I lived in NY is to check out how she is registered. She may well be a Republican, posing as a Hillary supporter to bring chaos to the Democrats and Obama.

[Eugenian]

31. She was on Faux News Channel today.

Her demeanor was less hysterical and she looked normal with the makeup on. But her rant sounded just like Ferraro.

[DaveJ]

34. She was paid to be calm

I'm sure they told her she wouldn't get any money if she became argumentative or did anything to make the piece un-airable.

I hate doing this but here is the interview:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5unWHvq9ysI

She was shown such amazing respect by Faux.

[Eugenian]

36. Paid, or sedated? n/t

[Cant trust em]

72. I can't believe that Fox would dig up some random person and put them on television

What a lame stunt.

Oh wait, from this network there's nothing that I can't believe.

[Quantess]

37. Or, she's got a few screws loose.

And, she does sound a lot like Geraldine Ferraro.
But, weirder things have happened.

[Deep13]

58. So, you don't want us on board at all then.

Raving lunatic? What an idiotic thing to say. I can only hope I will be pleasantly surprised by Obama, but that has not happened to me in 20 years.

[Sander]

60. Never Pleasantly Surprised?

"I can only hope I will be pleasantly surprised by Obama, but that has not happened to me in 20 years???"

Are you saying you have known Barack Obama for the past twenty years and he has never pleasantly surprised you? Or, that you have not been pleasantly surprised by anyone or anything in the past twenty years?

[Citizen_Penn]

71. that whole 20 year, name calling thing

is precisely why I could never support Hillary Clinton.

She is so old guard, whining about wrongs instead of working with us to correct them.

No, I don't want anger on board.

Nor name calling.

Nor negativity.


Moving FORWARD.

BTW, lest you think I'm some young fool without a clue -

51 years old female - not now, not ever did I support HRC.

[sallyseven]

64. She is not the lunatic

Cenk just played this because he is such a male chauvanist bull shytter.

[ihavenobias]

66. (yawn)

Of course, how predictable.

Just like Obama won because of sexism, right?

No: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpM_byZniwQ

PS---Was Cenk a sexist pig when he *defended* Hillary? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA

[CherylK]

2. He is right, she is partly to blame!

She kept going more and more negative and her supporters trusted and believed what she was saying. They bought into it so much that they now can not stand Obama and they think this thing was stolen!

[ingac70]

3. That skank in that video ain't a Democrat...

she's a Repuke plant.

[ronnykmarshall]

4. Anyone can make a fucking video.

It's only the weak minded that fall for the bullshit.

[ihavenobias]

5. I totally agree, only the weak minded *would* fall for Hillary's terrible popular vote argument

or any of her other negative anti-Obama BS that started many, many weeks ago (fear mongering 3am ads, "as far as I know" moments, assassination hints, praising McCain's experience and patriotism over Obama's, how 'hard working Americans' won't vote for Obama-wink-wink, etc).

But sadly for all of us, many of her supporters DID fall for the bullshit, which is largely why they are so unnecessarily bitter and angry and not falling in line with the Dem nominee (aka, Obama).

[aquart]

19. "Weak-minded"???? Yeah, tell me you want unity.

You want what the Republicans want: total agreement, total capitulation, and no dissent ever.

Democratic process? Not for Obama's people.

[ihavenobias]

20. You didn't notice I used the phrase "weak minded" because the previous poster did?

Come on, I expect better, even from you.

;)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

63. I don't want, nor do I expect, total agreement amongst Democrats

we are too diverse a party for that, plus our ideals are those of letting everyone have their say. That being said, there are limits, I feel, to what a Democrat should say about another Democrat. Calling the presumptive nominee "inadequate", followed up with the implication that she and other Clinton supporters would vote Republican, goes beyond the pale.

I'm a Kucinich supporter. I still believe he is the best candidate and would make a wonderful President. But when he dropped out in January, I did not start calling the remaining candidates names, nor did I threaten to vote GOP or a third party. I did make a public pledge here that I would vote for whoever won the Democratic nomination. I couldn't do so and continue to call myself a Democrat. I am still amazed that Clinton supporters are behaving the way they are.

[papau]

83. Let the Obama folks run DU and the 08 race with their 50% of the party - screw "unity" like they say

screw the idea of Hillary as VP

[ihavenobias]

86. Uh

Didn't Hillary's campaign in effect say "screw unity, every person for him or herself" when it went so incredibly negative?

You know, the fear mongering 3am ads, the "as far as I know", the praising of McCain's experience and love for America over Obama's and of course the "hard working Americans vote for me" (wink, wink on what "hard working" means).

If anyone has a right to be angry, it's Obama supporters over Hillary's campaign. But look, if Hillary drops out AND does the right thing and gets behind Obama 100% (as opposed to a half-hearted effort) and encourages her supporters to do the same, all will be forgiven.

[AlbertCat]

98. Democratic process? Not for Obama's people.

Just as nutty as this woman! Obama is WINNING according to the rules....even when changed in the middle. The rules that everyone agreed to. How is that undemocratic?

There is no way to calculate how many people voted for whom because in some states the totals are not recorded or just estimated. So Hillary's "popular vote" argument is bogus.

[kikiek]

48. Oh how pathetic. Once again the saint Obama is being crowned by his adoring fans.

Keep driving the voters aways. You're doing a great job at that. Nothing else.

[gateley]

15. Did you see her follow-up appearance on FOX? I think she's the real deal. nt

[GTurck]

45. If only...

If only it were true that only the "weak-minded" could be flummoxed but sadly the history of the world and especially the 20th century is that somehow and someway we all have our weak spots and demagogues and tyrants find them and use them. Intelligence has proven to be no armor against error time and time again. Spin is not meant to confuse those with less education and intelligence but to confuse those who think they cannot be confused.
It has been the tyrants and demagogues who think in terms of "weak" versus "strong" minded and as progressives/liberals/Democrats we would do well not to fall into that trap.

"Treat people as if they were what they ought to be, and you help them become what they are capable of being..." J. W. Goethe

[sui generis]

90. RKM the funniest thing

is how quickly everyone is willing to assume the crash position of poor persecuted supporter. I saw this movie with christians claiming to be persecuted here when we said we didn't like the pope's views on gays and involvement in the political process, and we incidentally also see it in a certain two block stretch of Topeka where reverend phelps lives. "My outrage is louder than yours" "is not!" "is so". jeepers.

I have never quite seen and never want to see again a primary where people on DU forgot to talk about the issues and where the candidates stand on those issues and why it's important to them rather than the candidates themselves. I don't understand the open hatred here, nor the idiotic blind bias.

In a lot of ways the support structure of the most vehement here is kind of like the self-supporting brook-no-difference of opinion quality of spite we saw on free republic (I haven't even peeked over there in years, hence the word "saw").

I'm not proud of that. We're arguing tactics instead of issues. I'm not voting for a voting strategy, I'm voting for a god damn quarterback to take the ball down the field. So forgive me, both sides, but I must ask if they have legs to do so, and at this point, which quarterback is the least worst IN THEIR POLICY PLAN.

Not their hairdo.

[mrbluto]

30. Yeah. Just like JFK!

JFK was totally culpable for Oswald!

Him with all his statements and policies and such.

Irate ranters don't just come out of the woodwork unbidden - celebrities cultivate them for some ulterior purpose I don't fathom.

[Quixote1818]

7. He is one of the most articulate speakers around. Obama should make him

his press secretary.

[ChromeFoundry]

8. All I can respond with, is....

wow. Embarrassing that the party has been split this wide open. Judging from her ideals, I think the party is better off without her.

[ej510]

11. She's a fucking lunatic.

[frog92969]

12. Cenk is right on point

"if you're gonna be crazy what can I do to help you?"

Harriet needs a hobby...or therapy.

[Window]

54. Besides being bitter, Harriet sounded like she had one too many.

[frog92969]

76. Without a doubt that was a liquid breakfast day for her.

[gateley]

13. As OhioChuck says, sensible thoughts from Cenk, per usual.

She has misled her supporters -- and has given them false hope.

Ms. Christian (how ironic) is one hate filled person!

[ihavenobias]

17. Ohio "Chuck"?

I think you meant "Chick". :)

[OhioChick]

18. .....

:rofl:

[gateley]

22. Do you KNOW a Chuck from Ohio, maybe?

Sorry -- it really was a typo! :hi:

[OhioChick]

24. I know it was a typo....

ihavenobias is just screwing with you! :)

:hi:

[gateley]

25. He'll be sorry -- just wait 'til I fuck with HIS name!

:7

[OhioChick]

43. Nice....

:rofl:

[jdadd]

40. Maybe Buckeye Chuck?

The official Ohio Groundhog....

[OhioChick]

44. Right You Are.

:thumbsup:

[gateley]

21. Are you calling me sexist?

Actually I typed 'chick' in my MIND, but you know how that goes. Spellcheck should have caught it! :&

[Cha]

16. i had to turn that woman's voice off after a while..

it's terrible what hilary has fomented with her lies.

If hilary had told the truth about where her status actually was in the race then supporters like these wouldn't be out making such fools of themselves.

But, then it wouldn't be about hilary.. it would be about our country and how we can come together to fight john mccain and the gop.

[mwb970]

39. Is it possible to "come together" with people like Harriet?

She seems deranged and wedded to a false world view. These things are hard to shake. I think she and those like her (most of them Republicans) are hopelessly lost. This talk of "coming together" with wackos confuses me. Wouldn't it make more sense to "ignore" (or perhaps "deport") them?

[Jack Rabbit]

23. It's sad to see some one this misguided

For those who thought they were all loyal Bushies, consider yourselves disillusioned.

[apocalypsehow]

26. Spot-on commentary - thanks for the heads up. K & R.

:thumbsup:

[chefgirl]

27. Um, right

If this woman, and the other unhinged "Hillary supporters" that were at that meeting, are Democrats, I'm Karl fucking Rove.

-chef-

[mrbluto]

28. So let me get this right....

So if I can find a loopy person who claims to support someone then I can pin everything the loopy person says on the candidate?

Fabulous!

Oh? What's that you say? It's better if I have video of no provance?

Even Better!

That's just the sort of dynamic we need in US politics.

I'm sure that will assist us in a serious discussion of issues.

I'm so sure that "The Young Turks" have neither an axe to grind, nor a simple desire to fill time with a provocative video.

Hey - you know what? There's a guy in my neighborhood always pushing a shopping cart around filled with his stuff and aluminum cans. I could have sworn he's said something about Obama. Would you advise me to stick a camera in his face and see what he says?

Oh. It's gotta be at a campaign event.

So how about I go to an Obama rally and cherrypick until I get some footage as "useful" as what you're spreading.

Do you think I'd be helping the Democratic party if I spread that around?

I'm not allowed to call you what I think you are according to the rules of DU.

But I'm sure anyone who takes a deep breath and moment to examine what you're doing will come to the same conclusion no matter who they support. (so long as they have an interest in the sucess of the Democratic party.)

[ihavenobias]

67. Obviously you didn't even watch the clip, based on your comments

Cenk gave a disclaimer *twice* that obviously this does NOT represent all Clinton supporters. And more than that, he said that Hillary has to take "some modicum of responsibility".

And he explained why. Why not argue with his reasoning rather than writing some angry post based on the title of a thread?

Oh, and since you bashed The Young Turks and believe there is an agenda and an ax to grind I have to ask you, did you feel the same way when they defended Hillary against dumb media attacks(?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA

Exactly, I didn't think so.

[mrbluto]

117. Don't care about Hillary.

I'm not a Hillary supporter. How typical though to defend one thing by pointing out something unrelated. BTW - how many times have you seen someone preface dumping poison into a conversation by saying "I didn't say this", or "hate to tell you this" - bull crap! that person is churning what they want and probably loves relaying what they're about to say.

I didn't "Bash" the Young Turks - I often watch their web show, but I do it knowing they have a strong bias. I usually agree with that bias, or, while not sharing it, sympathize with it's origins. I still know it's there.

You also suddenly read minds and try to tell me how I felt about something.

Another mark of a bullshit argument.

[happygoluckytoyou]

29. FIRST TIME WE DISAGREE

sorry amigo.... finding an obviously frustrated person and holding her out as ANY kind of an example is BELOW YOUR USUAL STANDARD of fair.
an elderly woman from new york, probably so happy that a woman was running she would have voted for a woman from ANY party--- obviously carrying all of the frustration that her gender has endured--- topped off with the massive disappointment from the vote which just occurred----

WAY BENEATH THE TYT STANDARDS..... i can find a similar upset or frustrated BLACK supporter for OBAMA or similar angry McCain supporter...

to hold them up as an example of Hillary's direction... BAD SPORT.

as for what she said.... i was an edwards fan... then turned to obama... but let's hear this for HILLARY

OVER THE PAST 8 YEARS WE HAVE SENT TWO BOYS (EDUCATED AND HONORABLE THAT THEY WERE) TO FIGHT THE GOP...
.........WHEN THEY GOT WET, THEY CRIED, AND THEY QUIT FASTER THAN I WOULD HAVE BELIEVED POSSIBLE....
.........ADMITED DEFEAT BEFORE THE VOTES WERE EVEN IN.... AND WITH LITTLE SHOUT OR FIGHT

....................H O O R A Y F O R H I L L A R Y..... I HOPE OBAMA LEARNED FROM HER FIGHT TO STAY TOUGH
YOU MAY NOT LIKE HER TACTICS, BUT THESE ARE THE "BIG KIDS ON THE BLOCK"... THEY DON'T AND NEVER DID "PLAY FAIR"
THE DEMOCRATS SHOULD PAY HOMAGE TO HILLARY FOR SHOWING THEM HOW TO FIGHT THE TOUGH FIGHT

[ihavenobias]

68. At the risk of sounding repetitive, did you even watch the clip?

Cenk gave a strong disclaimer *twice* that obviously this does NOT represent all Clinton supporters. And more than that, he said that Hillary has to take "some modicum of responsibility".

And he explained why. Why not argue with his reasoning rather than basing your response on the thread title only?

PS---Here's a good clip of Cenk defending Hillary from dumb media attacks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmM2j8P55SA

[happygoluckytoyou]

75. yes i watched the clip---

and the fact that he added "some modicum" didn't sway my opinion...
i stand by my feeling that he chose the most radical of possible spokespersons and NO i don't feel hillary should take ANY responsibility for what one supporter says.... each candidate has their "X_WING" of nutjobs.... i try to ignore them, and regardless of party allow for the fact that a candidate accepts money from people they do not know, do not perform background checks on everyone who claims to be their spokesperson etc.

I don't consider Cenk's "strong disclaimer" overriding exactly the Thread Title, and the spirit with which I feel it was delivered.

[ihavenobias]

78. The point is not to have Hillary apologize for this specific person

OBVIOUSLY this one nut doesn't represent all Hillary supporters, not by a long shot (as Cenk already said).

The point is for us to recognize that Hillary clearly played some role in fostering this incredibly negative view of Obama within our own party. She tainted the future Democratic party nominee and reduced his chances of winning in November, all for nothing. She could have stayed in the race and played the role of Huckabee (who also stayed in but played nice with McCain and focused on himself and the other party) but she chose to go extremely and undeniably negative, and that had consequences as we now see.

I don't really see how you can disagree with those points, but feel free to explain how and why you do.

Now, if you want to argue about the thread title (which I took directly from YouTube BTW) and the tone of the clip, fine. I can't pretend that *I* don't have a lot of anger (justifiably) toward the Hillary campaign for exactly the reasons I explain above. But I'm telling you the bottom line point which I strongly agree with and stand behind.

[L. Coyote]

32. HELLO!! There is a war in Iraq to discuss, war crimes, politcization of justice

Who Th F cares if one person is either crazy or an R mole is doing the usual dirty tricks.

What waste of air time!! The real idiot is the person putting this on the airwaves, when real issues need attention.

[ihavenobias]

69. L. Coyote

The funny thing is, TYT DOES cover important topics constantly, and when I post clips about, say how 70% of our intelligence budget is going toward outsourcing intelligence and the problems with intelligence outsourcing, it barely gets any attention compared to other topics:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3374788&mesg_id=3374788

People tend to ignore the hard-core, detailed and substantive topics, of which there are many on TYT, at least compared to clips like this.

But look, the primary IS relevant. You can play the relevant trump card game with EVERYTHING. If McCain wins in part because of how Hillary conducted her campaign and influenced her supporters, I'd say that's REALLY god man relevant, wouldn't you? Because it in turn effects Iraq, war crimes, politicization of justice and much, much more.

PS---TYT also covers more entertaining topics, which is part of what I love about the show. It's incredibly draining to listen to 4 hours of pure, detailed analysis all day, especially with work and life outside of politics. To be able to laugh sometimes is a good thing, as it prevents us from being constantly cynical and serious (a double whammy that that spells disaster).

[navarth]

96. That is RIGHT ON. When ihavenobias posts substantive topics being discussed by the Turks,

there's nowhere near this much response.

To complain about The Turks not covering topics of substance is just plain misinformed.

[badgerpup]

33. I saw the "Clinton Supporter" and you know what?

I saw a tired, disgusted, opinionated and unfortunately somewhat inebriated woman who was pissed off at the world.
:wow:
Gosh. Coulda been any of us.

...and I'm not a Hillary supporter, just so's ya know.

[Quantess]

77. Not sure about that....

I mean, the "inebriated" part I'll give her credit for. Drunk or not, those were some outrageous comments that don't come out of thin air.

[meowomon]

35. Hey y'all, it's over

Let's quit the Hillary bashing and get to uniting the party! Oh, and I'm not a Hillary supporter either, enough is enough!

[mwb970]

38. I made it through about 30 seconds of her crap.

If I want crazy people, I'll tune to Fox News. I am already depressed that people like this even exist! I'm not about to give her more than 30 seconds of my time. And that's what she got.

[minnesota_liberal]

41. Impressive. I could only take about 15 seconds.

Oddly, that reminds me of an exchange between Phoebe Cates and Jennifer Jason Leigh in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High." But I digress.

Shrill voice. Unhinged. New York attitude. I hope to never see or hear her again.

Harriet Christian should've been tossed out of the "Rules and Bylaws" meeting the third time she opened her mouth.

I especially liked her witty comeback to someone's request to "Shut up!"

[ihavenobias]

70. You missed the important part, which was Cenk's breakdown after her comments. Fast forward next time

:)

[mac2]

42. Whose responsible for those crazy Obama supporters?

The Rev. Wright and the Catholic clergy insanity?

Why are you so threatened by the Hillary supporters? People are people and they have a right of free speech. Or as a Obama supporter only you are allowed to win and have free speech about a candidate?

[The_Green_Man_Am_I]

50. and we have free speech to mock them...

If anyone does anything as unhinged as this woman, they deserve to be mocked and ridiculed, no matter the party or affiliation.

Free speech is a double edged sword: you can say what you want: but you will be judged for what you say.

[janetblond]

46. Geraldine Ferraro's talking points ...

Idiots repeat what they hear.

[janetblond]

47. Yes, Hillary IS responsible for this ...

This is only ONE of the MONSTERS created by Bill, Hillary and Geraldine Ferraro.

[EnviroBat]

53. She's a piece of human garbage.

She belongs in one of Manhattan's finest dumpsters. This is more of the same old shit about "the first woman president", no matter what. How dare we not elect a woman president! Damn that black man Barack Obama!

These people really are fucking lunatics, and I for one see them as a threat to the future of this country. I'm glad that after tomorrow we won't have to deal with them anymore.

[spoony]

99. Let me get this double standard right

We SHOULD blame Clinton for the crazy things other people say.
We SHOULD NOT blame Obama for the crazy things other people say.

I think these primaries have rotted a lot of minds. Clinton is no more responsible for this nutjob than Obama is responsible for the Al Jolson impersonator nutjob who came to his church.

[ihavenobias]

102. 2 Things

1)-The point of the clip (that you probably didn't watch) was not that we should blame Clinton for every crazy thing that her supporters might say. The point was that Hillary enabled and indirectly encouraged much of this anger and vitriol through her campaign and various comments. She is and has been stoking the fires that Obama is simply NOT ready to lead this country and that he STOLE this election by not allowing all votes to be counted, etc. Not to mention her prior praising of McCain's experience and patriotism over Obama's (and Obama has a speech he gave?).

2)-With that said, how has Obama enabled or encouraged (directly or indirectly) his supporters to loathe and despite Hillary Clinton, or to to think that John McCain would be better in the WhiteHouse?

Exactly, he hasn't. And that is why there is a huge difference (what you incorrectly call a double standard).

[spoony]

107. Yes, I fully anticipated that someone would respond with that

but MY point--which you missed as badly as you think I missed the clip's--is that it's stupid to act like any candidate has "driven" people to be assholes. If one is, one is. Unless you're actually trying to tell me that this woman wasn't a racist loudmouth before Clinton "encouraged" her.

[ihavenobias]

108. Yes

but she helped enable and foster the expression and magnitude of the outrage. That point, IMO, is beyond debate.

You can argue that the impact is minimal (and I'd disagree) but not that there was NO impact.

[The_Green_Man_Am_I]

49. digg this up please

digg this up

http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Crazy_Hillary_Supporter

[susankh4]

51. Outspoken women have always been labelled "Crazy."

She is in excellent company:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/white_women_take_the_gloves_of.html

[skooooo]

101. so have crazy women

[Window]

55. That's my Cenk. Thanks for sharing ihavenobias. K/R.

:kick:

[AlbertCat]

56. Bigotry is not just for the South anymore!

I don't know what upsets this unhinged yankee more? The "black" part or the "man" part? I wonder what she would be saying if it were John Edwards running against Hillary. "No more MEN with Southern Accents!"

Well, she doesn't represent the Hillary set anymore than Obama's preacher and guest speakers at his church represent Obama's people. She's just a side show too.

[nebula]

57. Sting like a bee,

squawk like a pteradactyl.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

61. I hadn't watched this clip before

It sickened me. How can someone who says they are a Democrat and a feminist say she'd vote for McCain? How could she call another Democratic candidate "inadequate"?

My mother, who will be 90 by election time, endured REAL sexual discrimination after her divorce in 1957. She couldn't get credit, she was paid a lot less for doing the same job as a man, and she was looked down upon because she was a single mother--the divorce was obviously "her fault". Yes, she was a Clinton supporter. But I can't see her voting for McCain. There's too much at stake.

[wowimthere]

62. This woman's assessment that Obama ran because he saw a white woman running is wild. There

were a lot of guys, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, Dodd, Kucinich on stage when Hillary was running. What would she have said if Edwards had been the nominee? An inadequate white male was taking something from Hillary? Stupid woman comes to mind. Hurt. Understandable. Dedicated to Clinton. Sure. But stupid is the word that outdoes her logic.

[Jefferson23]

65. She spent all that time and energy, money, to go to Florida, if she had spent

just a little bit of that time reading about why Obama ran, how Hillary actually lost, she might of said something worth listening to. She actually believes in a distortion of the truth..gee, I wonder where she got that from.

[autorank]

73. Yes she is, she and her husband set the tone.

I lived in Manhattan for a good portion of my life. It's about the best place I can imagine.

This woman is utterly unrepresentative of that great place.

[bow-tie]

74. Nice going in unifying the

party Hill you "C".

[demo dutch]

81. It's because of people like you, that I am determined not to vote for Obama!

[Truth2Tell]

84. An anonymous person on an internet message board

can determine what you think of Obama? :crazy:

[demo dutch]

89. One person??... how about an entire online community who is rude &

obnoxious, hurling insults to members, because they don't carry the same point of view and act like the right wingers they so much despise! No room left for any civil discussion whatsoever but besides all that I don't care for him whatsoever. So I'm sitting this one out, in fact I'll be on vacation in Europe watching the whole pathetic election take place from afar! I'll participate when this is over and we'll give it another hurl the next time around.

[ihavenobias]

93. I care far more about the actions of the campaigns and candidates

not the supporters, that's just absurd.

The whole point of the clip is that Hillary's campaign helped fuel this insanely negative fire, not that all Hillary supporters are crazy (obviously they aren't, so obviously I shouldn't have to say it).

As for someone not voting for Obama, apparently they prefer a right wing supreme court that will last decades and overturn women's rights, gay rights, civil liberties and who knows what all else.

Yes, clearly being angry with Obama supporters makes that a logical choice.

[demo dutch]

114. No, I don't care for him, he's too young and inexperienced and don;t give me any

crap about race, because it has nothing to do with it. I'll take my chances and wait for the next go around, if I haven't left this mess of a country behind!

[bow-tie]

119. You want to listen to

crap like this until Bush is out? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91107799

[Truth2Tell]

94. OK then, an "online community"

can determine who you support? I repeat: :crazy:

[JNelson6563]

109. As a soldier in the trenches, day in and day out

Then I say take your whiney ass keyboard commando ass and go, wherever it is you want to go. The less dead weight we have to deal with the better. Buh-bye. Thanks for nuthin'!

Julie

[Quantess]

87. John McCain called his wife a cunt, did you know that?

He called Cindy McCain a cunt in front of other people, no less.
http://wonkette.com/376849/mccain-called-his-wife-c+word

[demo dutch]

88. and I should care because.....?

[Quantess]

91. In post #81 you said you won't vote for Obama.

I'm just trying to point out that if you're opposed to nasty comments like the c-word, then a vote for McCain would be a bad idea.

[demo dutch]

92. Who says anything about voting MCain, if I vote I'll write in my candidate of choice!

[ihavenobias]

95. Which effectively helps McCain or at the vest least increases his chances in November

Again, apparently decades of a right wing supreme court means less to you than spiting Obama supporters.

Incredibly myopic and untenable.

[susankh4]

104. Well hear this...

we are not required to vote for who you want us to. Or, even to tell you who we are voting for.

We'll vote for who we damn well please. And then we'll pray that all the votes get counted... Won't that be novel?

[ihavenobias]

105. I never had a gun to your head

The only thing I have to your head is logic, reason and progressive values, all of which you'll be flushing down the toilet if you vote for anyone other than Obama this November.

:)

[demo dutch]

113. Progressive values? you people have NO CLUE what that even is in this country! no I'll wait for the

next go around! if I haven't left this mess behind! NO ONE will tell me who to vote for!

[demo dutch]

115. Exactly

[Quantess]

120. LOL. Don't you have a lot of YFZ children to get back to their mothers?

Completely kidding.

Really, though, The YFZ will vote as it pleases them.

[demo dutch]

116. Again NO ONE will tell me who to vote for! The Dems should have come up w/better choices

so if McCain wins, so be it! I really don't care at this point.

[bow-tie]

118. Yeah, vote for Mcain

idiot.

[demo dutch]

122. You see that's the problem with you people!!!!

[skooooo]

79. shut up you stupid b*****

[Bolo Boffin]

80. This lady is not crazy.

She is angry, she is heartbroken, she is desperate, and she is tired.

She is grieving. She is not crazy. We need to understand this. There are very many Hillary Clinton supporters who are just as committed as any Barack Obama supporter, and the loss of their favorite candidate had torn them apart.

Mocking in their sorrow doesn't help anybody.

[ihavenobias]

85. I don't agree with that spin

It's one thing to be frustrated and angry that your candidate lost, that's totally understandable *to an extent*.

It's quite another to go on a tirade (a racist one no less) like this.

[Bolo Boffin]

123. That "spin" is how I actually see it.

She is speaking for a lot of people and this is just how devastated they are. I wish they were just frustrated and angry, too, because then I hold out hope that they'd calm down and see sense.

If you can't see this lady is suffering deeply from true grief, then we just have to agree to disagree.

[WheelWalker]

97. The Great Path is not difficult for one who has no preferences. nt

[Bolo Boffin]

121. I don't know what that means.

I'm a Barack Obama supporter.

[WheelWalker]

124. The time for a thing is when it happens, Grasshopper. Understanding, unbidden, is furtive.

[oldskool]

100. Operation Chaos

I know Hillary had some of supporters there and that is their
right to protest. But I know for a fact there were some right
wing machine republicans there. That is how the right wing
machine works (Operation Chaos)fear and distraction that's the
GOP brand. That is the tainted GOP brand I mean.

[BlueJac]

103. The product of the Hillary campaign...

What a nut job

[1Hippiechick]

110. Her anger is MISDIRECTED! WHO BROKE THE RULES?!?!? WHAT AN UGLY 15 MINS OF FAME! POOR FAMILY!

:wtf:

This woman is old enough to have grown up in a generation that KNOWS that there are consequences for breaking rules

[complain jane]

111. "Hillary is responsible for this".

LOL

[madeline_con]

112. Fuck her. eom