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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 02:45 PM
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Evangelist's Florida revival making local Pentecostal leaders very nervous.
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There is a long article on the front page, front and center, of the Lakeland paper today. Don't ask me why a controversial...okay..absolutely nutty...revival deserves center front page. I don't know how to answer that. I really don't.


Canadian preacher, Todd Bentley

I guess it had to go front page so all the local preachers could weigh in with their disapproval. :shrug:

Actually until he started claiming he could resurrect the dead, they were not really that outspoken at all. Now they are publicly distancing.

Florida Outpouring Revival Concerns Pentecostal Leaders


Todd Bentley on the floor

Pictures are courtesy of a previous post and a previous article by the Ledger.

Storms of another kind - doubts about claims of healings and criticism of his teachings and techniques - have not troubled Canadian evangelist Todd Bentley and the leaders of the Florida Outpouring revival, which continues on, now in its 82nd consecutive day. The revival seems set to meet in the tents at Sun 'n Fun for the indefinite future, even though some national and local Pentecostal leaders are wary of giving approval to it.

..."The Pentecostal revival, which began April 2 at Ignited Church in Lakeland, draws an average of 30,000 or more people each week, according to its leaders, with about 50 percent of those from outside the state. In fact, it has become an international phenomenon, and almost a third of the crowds come from outside the United States, leaders estimate. At this particular evening service, flags from eight nations waved above the crowd, which numbered at least 4,000.

...."Bentley, 32, runs Fresh Fire Ministries, an independent organization based in Abbotsford, British Columbia. He presents an unusual figure with his many tattoos and jeweled lip studs. A self-professed fan of professional wrestling, he is prone to giving gentle shoves or kicks and shouting "Bam!" as he touches people to "impart" the Holy Spirit to them. His antics have alarmed some, such as J. Lee Grady, editor of Charisma, a magazine for Pentecostals, who editorialized against those methods last week. But the crowds clearly love it.


But this is just too much, and now it is getting another front page appearance, so they don't have to write about the flooded midwest and devastating distruction.

While faith healing is a part of the Pentecostal tradition, the claims of resurrections have raised eyebrows. No dead bodies have been brought into the revival. Rather, reports of the recent death of a loved one - in some cases located long distances away - are relayed to the stage by e-mail or cell phone, and Bentley has led prayers for the person to be revived.

"We do our best to find out the situation. In one case, a boy drowned in a pool. He had no pulse, wasn't breathing and was clinically brain dead," he said.


Frontpaged, again.


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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 02:57 PM
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1. Ain't show business grand?
I can't believe people still fall for these hucksters.

On second thought, I can believe it. Anther indication that the human race is collectively just to dumb to survive the challenges ahead.

Onward Christian soldiers, marching to extinction.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:07 PM
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12. Actually, I don't see where reviving the braindead would be such a big deal.
Just tell them there's a Nascar race on TV and you're serving free beer.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:47 PM
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2. Are you ready for a miracle?
Edited on Sun Jun-22-08 03:48 PM by IanDB1

"MANIPULATORS ARE SNEAKY. I'M OBVIOUS"


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:52 PM
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3. Leap of faith was a great movie.
:hi:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 03:58 PM
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4. A.A. Allen is alive and well running the Florida Outpouring revival
You know, disgraced Dallas healer Robert Tilton once offered his favorite ties to parishioners who were willing to contribute a whopping $10,000 per tie, the upshot being that said tie would have been thoroughly soaked with the healing power of Jesus after being worn by Tilton that long.

Then again, he also briefly took up performing exorcisms by shouting either at the TV screen or directly at churchgoers. Didn't last long, though his partners are still in business in Spindale, North Carolina.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:01 PM
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5. From 2003..Tilton in FL as well.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:24 PM
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9. I know, and I think Texans across the state apologize to Florida for that
Bob's second ex-wife (and former Spindale exorcist) Leigh Valentine Tilton once told a Dallas reporter shortly after Tilton left Texas: "Find Bob. I want to know everything about him. Him and whatever girlfriend he's with. He keeps telling the judge that he's broke, that he's now a changed man. Bob Tilton will never change, and he'll definitely never be broke."
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 10:58 PM
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10. Christian singer Steve Taylor's lyric about Robert Tilton, from "Cash Cow"
never stops making me smile...


Cash Cow

(Move...
Move in closer...
Move in closer to the...
Move in closer to the middle of the frame

(Act Two)
It was a morning just like any other morning
In the Sinai desert, 1200 B.C.
It glistened, it glowed, it rose from the gold of the children of Israel
...and most of the adults
The cash cow!

The golden cash cow had a body like the great cows of ancient Egypt
And a face like the face of Robert Tilton
...without the horns

And through the centuries is has roamed the earth
Like a ravenous bovine
Seeking whom it may lick
Cash cow!
Cash cow!

From the valley of the shadow of the outlet mall
To customized petwear boutique
From the trailer of the fry chef
To the palace of the sheik
The cash cow lurks
The cash cow lurks
The cash cow lurks
HA HA HA HA....

Who loves you, baby?
Who'll give you good credit?
Who says you'll regret it?
Aaa-ooooooo

Who loves you, baby?
Who'll give you good credit?
Who says you'll regret it?
Aaa-aaa-aaa-ooooooo

I was in love and I needed the money
And then I needed more money
I was filthy rich and all I wanted was love
...and a little more money

Woe to you, proud mortal
Secure in your modest digs
You think you're immune?
You, who couldn't finger said cow in a police line-up with the three little pigs!
Cash cow!
Master of disguises!

Who's gonna change shape at will?
Who's the eye on the pyramid on the back of the dollar bill?
Who loves power lunchin' from Spago to Sizzler?
Guess who's coming to dinner

Who loves you, baby?
Who'll give you good credit?
Who says you'll regret it?
Aaa-ooooooo

Who loves you, baby?
Who'll give you good credit?
Who says you'll regret it?
Aaa-aaa-aaa-ooooooo

Who loves you, baby?
Who'll give you good credit?
Who says you'll regret it?
Aaa-aaa-aaa-ooooooo

One yank on that udder
Will land your butter in a sling
First one's free
Cow junkies, take heed . . .

Cash cow comin' to get ya
Why?
Cuz you think this is stupid, don't you?
The cash cow will not be mocked!
The cash cow's planning a coup!
The cash cow chews cud bigger than you!

Woe, woe, woe to you
Who blow off this warning
Perhaps you've already been licked
I, too, was hypnotized
By those big cow eyes
The last time I uttered those three little words
"I deserve better!"

(Act Three - instrumental)
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 06:27 PM
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6. Must be some type of international trade going on here.
Canada gets our progressives and we get their RW fundie whackos!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 09:04 PM
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8. And he has people from all over the world coming to see him.
It boggles the mind.
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rambler_american Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:47 AM
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15. Time for a fence
along the Canadian border?
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Crowman1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 09:51 AM
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19. Nah, just pentagrams!
Just kidding! :D
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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 08:51 PM
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7. Hey, everybody has to make a buck, huh? These people.........
......are the largest shitbags on the planet. To outright con people either because of their extreme ignorance, need (physical or mental), and despair I put down there alongside child molesting.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:04 PM
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11. Oh lord.
Why must I live amongst these people...
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:10 PM
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13. Would somebody please pass out some snakes for these people to play with?
There's gotta be a few spare Eastern Diamondbacks around Lakeland.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-22-08 11:53 PM
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14. Yeh, pretty pathetic.
When the preachers here are running scared of this guy...you gotta wonder.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 08:23 AM
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18. He's cutting into their cash flow.
Elmer Gantry with tattoos.
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liberal1973 Donating Member (964 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 06:50 AM
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16. HaHaHa
This guy is a looney just like dobson, pat robertson, and other far right idiots out there. They're a dime a dozen.
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RedLetterRev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:48 PM
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24. Looney? Like a fox
He's the typical showman at whom fools with throw large amounts of cash for a big floor-show and a momentary bit of feelgood. I often wonder how these charismatic telewackogelicals can put head to pillow and sleep at night. I guess that the amount of untrackable cash they take in can keep them in enough blow so they don't have to sleep.

From my hero:

The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it. (Lazarus Long, _Time enough for Love_, by Robert Heinlein)

The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. (Robert Heinlein)


Before the obvious gets pointed out about my handle, I'll note that I am a wedding officiant. We get the title, but none of the cash perks. Too bad. But I can sleep at night.
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iamahaingttta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 08:08 AM
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17. I went into the wrong business!
Man, that looks like such a fun way to make a living!
Why didn't I think of that when I was younger?
It just looks so much cooler than having a "real" job.

Oh yeah... I forgot... I like to make and honest living and not rip people off!
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katerinasmommy Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 11:19 AM
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20. Maybe this guy could resurrect the Congressional Democrats' collective backbone n/t
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 12:49 PM
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21. Here's the Wiki on him:
Edited on Mon Jun-23-08 12:50 PM by pnorman
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Faith Healing

The revival and Bentley's preaching heavily feature "faith healing", which is a tenet of the Charismatic movement. Faith healing is the attempt to use spiritual means such as prayer to cure illness and improve health. Bentley's faith healing at the revival is through exhortations and laying on of hands. "Bentley places his hands on someone's head or area of infirmity and cries out for the power of God to descend. In response, some people may stand and physically tremble, while others may literally fall down to the ground in what they call "falling under the power" of the Holy Spirit.<15>" Some of the healings have come under fire for appearing to be violent; for example, video of Bentley wrapping his hands around a man's neck and yelling for the devil to come out of him. Bentley has incited further theological debate by breaking with more mainline Evangelical traditions.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Bentley

pnorman
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:14 PM
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22. Is it just me or was anyone else watching that clip thinking,
"Any minute now, Randy "Macho Man" Savage is going to run out on the stage, beat this guy over the head with a giant Slim Jim, steal his microphone and challenge him to a steel cage death match during Wrestlemania XXX"?
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DWilliamsamh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 03:37 PM
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23. The funniest thing is the Pentecostals thinks HE'S crazy...
While at the same time believing in a giant best buddy in the sky, who has the personality of an egomaniacal, narcissistic, adolescent boy.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-23-08 05:24 PM
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25. This is a very timely article........Could you do something
worthwhile and "bring back" George Carlin.

Shit....didn't think so.
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