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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:02 AM
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Senator Russ Feingold blasts FISA legislation "70 members" know virtually nothing!!
 
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Here is what the Senators need to know. The info was leaked to me,
so, unlike the Sen. Feingold, I'm not sworn to secrecy!!!

ALL COMMUNICATIONS are routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?

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Deja DU: Are ALL COMMUNICATIONS routed overseas to circumvent US law and the Constitution?
Nov-09-07 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2245762

I was told years ago that ALL fiber optic communication traffic was routed overseas so that "everything" was moved outside the protections of the law and Constitution and ANYTHING could be monitored. I thought the idea quite fantastic even though it came from a very reliable source that would know exactly such things. Then, the story of the fiber optic splitters hit my radar. I now see now how easily exactly that, routing ALL COMMUNICATIONS overseas, was accomplished.

Is that Bush's and the Telecom's HUGE crime hidden and covered-up behind this story?

If the telecoms get immunity, will it aid in covering up Bush's crime.
ABSOLUTELY! That is why it is so important to the Rs! Support = obstruction of justice.

Have we arrived at the point in the history of the Bushco junta where
laws passed and people nominated are part of crimes of obstructing justice?

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AT&T Whistleblower: Telecom Immunity Is A Cover-Up
By Spencer Ackerman - Nov 7, 2007
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004662.php


Earlier today we flagged that Mark Klein, who uncovered a secret surveillance room run by the NSA while employed as a San Francisco-based technician for AT&T, is in Washington to lobby against granting retroactive legal immunity to telecommunications companies. In an interview this afternoon, Klein explained why he traveled all the way from San Francisco to lobby Senators about the issue: if the immunity provision passes, Americans may never know how extensive the surveillance program was -- or how deeply their privacy may have been invaded.

"The president has not presented this truthfully," said Klein, a 62-year old retiree. "He said it was about a few people making calls to the Mideast. But I know this physical equipment. It copies everything. There's no selection of anything, at all -- the splitter copies entire data streams from the internet, phone conversations, e-mail, web-browsing. Everything."

What Klein unearthed -- you can read it here -- points to a nearly unbounded surveillance program. Its very location in San Francisco suggests that the program was "massively domestic" in its focus, he said. "If they really meant what they say about only wanting international stuff, you wouldn't want it in San Francisco or Atlanta. You'd want to be closer to the border where the lines come in from the ocean so you pick up international calls. You only do it in San Francisco if you want domestic stuff. The location of this stuff contradicts their story .....

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NSA Monitors All Web Traffic, Says Ex-AT&T Employee

NSA Monitors All Web Traffic, Says Ex-AT&T Employee
Tom Corelis (Blog) - Nov 10, 2007
http://www.dailytech.com/NSA+Monitors+All+Web+Traffic+Says+ExATT+Employee/article9620.htm


Felt "forced to the connect the Big Brother Machine" if he wanted to keep his job

Mark Klein, the former AT&T technician and whistleblower who helped kick off the AT&T/NSA eavesdropping scandal, clarified further details regarding what he witnessed while connecting a secret NSA eavesdropping facility: secure room 641A in AT&T’s San Francisco switching center, presumably commissioned by the NSA, received copies of all the traffic its splitters were connected to, including both international and domestic e-mails, web traffic, and phone calls, both from AT&T’s customers as well as other providers.

Previous statements by the government, AT&T and President Bush indicated that the only affected communications are communications relevant to national security, like those of suspected terrorists and suspicious foreign nationals. According to Klein, however, the technology used to connect the secure room was far more democratic, consisting of simple, dumb splitters incapable of any kind of contextual filtering: essentially, room 641A received “a duplicate of every fiber-optic signal routed through facilities.”

Klein, appearing on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann show, told viewers about his personal association with secure room 641A. “When I was a technician, I had the engineering/wiring documents, which told me how the splitter was wired to the secret room … I had to know in order to do my job,” he said, “so I know that whatever went across those cables was copied; the entire datastream was copied into the secret room.”

Referring to the equipment itself, Klein states, “the splitter device has no selective capability, it just copies everything. .............

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Interview: AT&T Whistleblower Mark Klein on Bush's Illegal Surveillance and Retroactive Immunity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0dJJhLueEg

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NSA Pressured LA Times To Kill Domestic Spying Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOI1VGKcgGY

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November 5th, 2007
AT&T Whistleblower to Urge Senate to Reject Blanket Immunity for Telecoms
Press Conference on Capitol Hill on Wednesday, November 7
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/11/05

Washington, D.C. - On Wednesday, November 7, at 10:30am, telecommunications technician and AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein will speak out at a press conference on Capitol Hill, explaining why he is asking lawmakers to reject immunity for telecoms who assisted the Bush administration's spying on millions of Americans.

Klein witnessed first-hand the technology AT&T built to assist the government's domestic warrantless wiretapping program at AT&T's main switching facility in San Francisco. As part of his job at AT&T, Klein connected high-speed fiber optic cables to sophisticated equipment that intercepted communications from AT&T customers and then copied and routed every single one to a room controlled by the National Security Agency (NSA). Klein has provided evidence for the Electronic Frontier Foundation's (EFF's) class-action lawsuit against AT&T for its role in the illegal spying.

"My job required me to enable the physical connections between AT&T customers' Internet communications and the NSA's illegal, wholesale copying machine for domestic emails, Internet phone conversations, web surfing and all other Internet traffic. I have first-hand knowledge of the clandestine collaboration between one giant telecommunications company, AT&T, and the National Security Agency to facilitate the most comprehensive illegal domestic spying program in history," said Klein.

Also speaking at the event Wednesday ...........

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Judge Orders Telecommunications Companies to Preserve Evidence in Government Surveillance Cases
Ruling Advances EFF's Class-action Lawsuit Against AT&T
http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/11/06


San Francisco - A federal judge today ruled on a preservation motion filed by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), ordering that telecommunications companies must preserve any evidence of collaborating with the government in illegal spying on ordinary Americans.

In his ruling, U.S. District Court Judge Vaughn Walker ordered the telecommunications companies to halt any routine destruction of documents or to arrange for the preservation of accurate copies. On December 14, each party must provide the court with confirmation that the court's order has been carried out. The court order did not require the government or the carriers to reveal whether or not they had any relevant evidence.

The government and the carriers had opposed the preservation motion, claiming that the government's invocation of the state secrets privilege made it impossible to proceed with a preservation order. In litigation, parties are typically required to preserve all relevant evidence.

For the judge's order:
http://www.eff.org/files/filenode/att/393%20order.pdf

For more on the class-action lawsuit against AT&T:
http://www.eff.org/cases/att

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colt equalizer Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:23 AM
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1. Russ is a hero on this, but the ship has turned.
There isn't any support in Congress anymore for blocking this immunity. The ship has turned and our elected officials now worry about the political implications on a President Obama if they "irritate" the Telecoms. I predict this will quietly go away as an issue for years.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 10:05 AM
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6. This is crap - so, we are back to "Politics as Usual"?
I want change and I want the Constitution restored.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:32 AM
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2. well at least someone is standing up for the Constitution
and the Rule Of Law.

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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:40 AM
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3. Ok so if everything
was copied phone, internet, emails... ahhh emails maybe they have copies of all those missing White House emails hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:46 AM
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4. Those 70 members know something all right.
They know just how lucrative and profitable
it is to be in bed with telecoms and Bushinc.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 09:24 AM
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5. Senator Russ Feingold for VP!!!
:kick: & Recommended
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Plucketeer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 12:24 PM
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7. I second your nomination!
I just want my get-out-of-jail-free card for when I do something stupid! Where do I apply for one?
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:02 PM
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8. I like Russ alot
but we really need him in the Senate. Too bad we can't clone about 15 more of him
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Connonym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:58 PM
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12. Russ is amazing and I agree that we need him in the Senate
I think his hands would be tied as VP and he wouldn't be able to as actively pursue his ideals. I wish we could have that in our president and vice-president but I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. We need Russ's uncompromising integrity in the Senate where he can help to keep things clean or at least shine a light on the cockroaches.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 05:50 AM
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19. Ain't that the damn truth! nt
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 03:39 PM
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9. Hurray for Russ and the gang of 15. But the Dems have FOLDED AGAIN!
I am sick of the Calculation, Triangulation, excuses and taking the Base for granite.

The Democratic party has folded AGAIN!

This time including Obama and Clinton
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:36 PM
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15. sorry, couldn't let this pass
granite (n) a common coarse-grained, hard igneous rock consisting chiefly of quartz & feldspar, used esp. in monuments and for building.

The American Heritage Dictionary, 4th Edition

take for granite - take for granted
We do tend to take granite for granted, it is so ubiquitous. But that, of course, is not the point.

100 Most Often Mispronounced Words and Phrases in English
http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/mispron.html
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-27-08 08:27 AM
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20. yeah yeah granted
:-)
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asp64064 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:11 PM
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10. Anti-Incumbent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When these morons go home, everyone needs to let them know that come November "There Will Again Be New Leadership in Washington" just like in 06.

Run these fricken idiots out of office. Wake up people, they all took a bribe and conveniently call it a campaign contribution!!!

No More!!!, get mad and get off your ass and do something besides bitch.

Demonstrate, Demonstrate, Demonstrate!!!
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asp64064 Donating Member (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 04:20 PM
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11. How AT&T and Sprint Used and Continues to Use FISA!!!
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:04 PM
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13. I read that
but I'm a little confused. I read the final paragraphs intently. Why was Sprint working with them to try and monitor his movements - to keep him from getting into the medical supply field, and therefore aid themselves or another company who would lose $ from his entering that market?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-04-08 03:03 PM
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21. Thanks for the links!
I found this very disturbing:



...

As the Internet Service Provider for Medical Supply Chain, Inc. and later for my business under
the trade names Medical Supply Chain and Medical Supply Line, your company engaged in warrantless wire tapping of my associates and myself and unlawfully disclosed my business records during the period of time from March 20,2005 till April 8th,2008 (the “subject period ”).Under your direction,AT&T is presently participating in a continuing racketeering enterprise with Sprint, Inc.; former and current officials of the executive branch; Jeffrey Immelt; and General Electric.

AT&T officials openly became “made ” members of the unlawful administrative branch RICO
enterprise and enjoyed privileges and membership in InfraGard where they networked with members of the unlawful enterprise and were directed to make available my private and business property in my electronic communications for the purposes of interfering and obstructing justice in the Novation LLC antitrust litigation 2 I am pursuing to gain entry into the national market for hospital supplies.

Under your direction, AT&T officials forwarded my emails to unauthorized recipients, tracked my
financial transactions and participated in the electronic surveillance of my associates (none of whom are foreign nationals) and despite knowing from their surveillance that I am not violating any laws and that my activities were solely to enter the market for hospital supplies. AT&T also repeatedly opened the circuit of my landline phone receivers for the purpose of warrantless telephone eavesdropping in my residence and business office. AT&T officials continued to violate federal laws, including responding to FBI letters of inquiry served without official authority all to further the goal of the executive branch enterprise members in obstructing my competition with Novation LLC and in preventing my ability to litigate claims against Novation LLC and its cartel members, despite knowing from surveillance that I am conducting only legitimate business.

You also facilitated the use of AT&T infrastructure by executive branch members of the RICO
enterprise to enter my home and take from me my documents on my personal laptop including the folder of all my attorney correspondence from 2002 to 2007, which had not been copied, retained or otherwise stored by SBC or AT&T. Your RICO enterprise under the false pretext of color of official government right given to non InfraGard AT&T subordinates, removed the file folder of attorney correspondence from my Windows Outlook Express mail program in October 2007, deleting all the contents from my laptop and even the file name and icon. In January 2008 your RICO enterprise replaced the file folder of attorney correspondence and its contents on my laptop.

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kmac3 Donating Member (251 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 06:04 PM
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14. Uninfromed senators vote . . . the nation suffers . . . .
Typically, the majority of these senators are only wanting things done so they can have a long holiday vacation over the 4th of July . . . they have been paid by these telecoms so they have the money to celebrate . . . Taking the time to go through this bill to really understand the end result if it passes is time they do not want to dedicate. What has happened to our America?
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 07:13 PM
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16. Very discouraging.
Why do I read this stuff? I think I'm just going to go sit outside and enjoy the heat and the bugs.


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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:27 PM
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17. U: "Why do I read this stuff?" So you are more informed than your Senator?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-26-08 08:43 PM
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18. Probably a smart move. Aggravating beyond belief. nt
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