An evening at the revival from which local pentecostal preachers are distancing.

[madfloridian]

Run time: 08:20 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gjl5wKso9eU   Posted on YouTube: June 25, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 27, 2008 By DU Member: madfloridian Views on DU: 3395

 
I recently posted a video here about the Canadian evangelist, Todd Bentley, who is running a long term revival at the Sun and Fun Fly in grounds. He is averaging at least 30,000 a week.

The local ministers are getting wary of the international attention being called to this area, and they are speaking out

This woman's head shakes violently for a great part of the video, and it is truly scary.

I was raised Southern Baptist, now recovering. I mean no offense to Christians. But I fear these kind of manifestations as being something else entirely. It is astounding to think that people are traveling from Europe to attend this revival.

Forgot to mention that is Todd Bentley, the preacher on the floor.

[sasquatch]

1. And God's true representitive on earth...a Hoser named Todd

:eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

2. when it's THAT crazy looking (I could only watch 5 seconds of her)

it's something else all together... the movements are spell-like, and disturbing. amazing people go, but then again, people like a SHOW!

[DRex]

3. Its a good thing...

the spirit left her in time for her to read the scripture.

She must have had a headache the next day.

Creeeeepppyy.

[wake.up.america]

4. Afterwards, they all went to the back, split the offering and had a good laugh.

[awoke_in_2003]

33. I have to believe that, also...

too frightening to believe that they buy this hokey shit.

[alphafemale]

7. I do think you could give yourself a concusion that way. Or whiplash.

Oh and welcome to DU.

:hi:

[kimmylavin]

5. Creepy!

Its like that scene from "Total Recall"!
I kept waiting for her hair to fall off and her head to split open!

[alphafemale]

6. Jose Eber, see what thou hath wrought.

[DUlover2909]

8. I respect peoples' beliefs, but I don't respect their superstitions.

Think about that. There is a difference. The beliefs I respect are the ethical standards people have based on their experiences. The beliefs I disresepect are beliefs founded on no evidence whatsoever.

[trusty elf]

9. Yikes!

Scary indeed!
That "shhhhhhhh" sound she's making is so creepy! ! ! :scared:

At around 1:48 she says "He (God) :eyes: had to hide Moses in a cleft of a rock, and he had to only show him the hind parts."

God mooned Moses? :crazy:

[L0oniX]

18. If you think thats creepy, try going to a pentecostal church sometime....

everyone starts babbling and shaking and flopping on the floor. It's like being in a room with a bunch of insane people with convulsions.

[dixiegrrrrl]

41. Been there, actually

Picture this:
When I was 5-6 years old, my stepfather's elderly aunt took me to her church. They were what we knew as "Holy Rollers".
My memory is of a bunch of elderly white haired ladies, all dressed in black, rolling around on the floor and babbling and screaming.
Scared the shit out of me.
I had nightmares for days, and revulsions to black dresses for a long time.

[awoke_in_2003]

34. Maybe Moses was an ass man. nt

[Enthusiast]

10. It's an act.

It's well done. It will convince millions that are desperate for something to believe in. It isn't any more ridiculous than the end times bullshit. I am sickened by both. Poor damn people just can't think for themselves.

[shadowknows69]

12. Act or not there is a palpable energy that is raised in these services

It's quite simply Christian magick. Raising the cone of power, which could be as simple as raising adrenaline.

[patrice]

20. could be? No. That's what it IS: adrenaline + your own special little biochemical "God" recipe

acetylcholine and a bunch of other hormones, neuromodulators and neurotransmitter mixes that we have not identified yet.

[shadowknows69]

21. I realize the science behind it

Some of us choose to believe there is even something more. What harm is there in that?

[lakercub]

35. The harm is that they don't believe a word of it

and they are bilking people out of money because of an adrenaline rush. Some people damn near break themselves financially because they don't understand how their brains work and they actually feel they have been touched by God when they are writhing all over the place. Then out flows their money to these charlatans.

Also, I recall no portion of the Bible where Jesus did any of this...this is a show...and its a show designed to take money from the ignorant. There is plenty of harm in that. I'm not saying it should be illegal...anybody dumb enough to give money to perpetuate this fraud deserves what they get...but there is most assuredly harm done.

Just an aside...it's the twenty-first century now for crying out loud. With all the advances in science, technology, medicine, human behavior, et. al., there is just no place for this shit anymore. How can the human race, which has discovered so much and opened up so many new horizons using rational thought, still have so many simple-minded fools among their number.

[PerpetuallyDazed]

36. Yes!

"With all the advances in science, technology, medicine, human behavior, et. al., there is just no place for this shit anymore..." and for exactly that reason, I believe, people feel compelled to attend these Religious revivals!

And I don't think it has anything to do with simple-mindedness, although the behavior confounds me somewhat, too. However, I see it from two completely different frames. People search and cling to religion/spirituality/new-ageism/what-have-you because the science and "rationality" of the world isn't enough for them and/or doesn't address their problems.

[shadowknows69]

37. There is Biblical precedent for stuff like speaking in toungues

Corninthians or Acts IIRC

[lakercub]

39. Yes but

speaking in tongues wasn't speaking gibberish. It was allowing for the communication of their beliefs to other languages. Speaking in tongues now is a bizarre, rolling on the floor, snake-handling thing where the people sound like they are having an uncontrolled mental episode. I sincerely doubt that Christ would look favorably upon that version of speaking in tongues.

[shadowknows69]

40. I think it would be pretty presumptious to assume what Christ would or wouldn't favor

[lakercub]

42. Tough

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full." Matthew 6:5

What do you think loudly speaking in tongues and rolling around the aisles is? It is publicly showing just how devout you are...which Matthew 6:5 specifically says not to do. Most people believe the words of Christ are in the Bible (otherwise they aren't anywhere) so I would assume you would heed these as his words. Therefore I presume nothing and am absolutely correct when I say Christ wouldn't favor this.

[Enthusiast]

45. Lakercub, you are right on. nt

[AlbertCat]

29. BINGO!

Yes, an act. Sometimes they superficially convince themselves it's not, but when they're lying in bed at night trying to fall asleep, they know it's an act. It's an act for EVERYONE THERE. The only reason you go is to be seen. To wear your "faith" on your sleeve. Look at that crowded stage....each trying to out-faith the other. Pitiful.

[shadowknows69]

11. It's cool, freaky shit like that is why I used to attend an Assemblies of God church

[Clovis Sangrail]

13. ROFL

next time I have something really important to say I'm going to shake violently to emphasize my point

[jimshoes]

14. Koo Koo

They are like the Shakers of old. Alas as the Shakers did not believe in heving sex, they thankfully all died out.

[dsc]

15. the Shakers were huge in abolition

I don't think former slaves would be so glad the Shakers died out.

[L0oniX]

16. People are stupid and there's lots of them.

[patrice]

17. If it's a miracle, why does she get breathless? Shouldn't she just speak normally without pausing?

[fascisthunter]

19. These People Found an Alternative to Medication and Therapy

that's all this is... sick people not getting the proper help they obviously need.

[windoe]

22. An interesting link written by a professional hypnotist about revivalism

Battle for Your Mind, by Dick Stutphen, in case you haven't read his interesting point of view:

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook/neuro/stutphen.html edited to add: type .html at the end of this link, (it disappears when I type it here)

He says they go into alpha state, caused by the cadence of the preaching style. This style of speaking was accidentally discovered years ago and works just as well as his hypnotic sessions. Alpha makes one 25x more susceptible to suggestion. I researched this subject after being creeped out by the religious channel years ago, not knowing what was happening to these people. I have since had a family member convert and cannot have a conversation with him without being preached to, I feel as if I have lost him. It is a form of brainwashing.

[2PeiMom]

23. Count the Rolex watches and solid gold logging chains.

Then you'll know what this show is really all about.

[info being]

24. She's high

[windoe]

25. I also mean no offense to people on a spiritual path

however being aware of how the brain works cannot hurt. Going into alpha state and opening oneself to high ideals, God, or the collective, is a very good thing.
It is when preachers take advantage of their power and take a lot of money, do not respect personal boundaries, tell people how to vote or condone violence that this suggestibility becomes more disturbing. Also because people are not familiar with hypnotism, to me there is an issue of consent.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

26. Wow

The perversion of religion never ceases to amaze. It is really hard for me to get my head around the fact that millions of people have taken ancient mythology and accepted it as fact. Today most people would laugh at someone worshiping the Greek gods but at one time the unschooled masses and profane in fact did this, the educated knew that gods were archetypes and the myths were spiritual truths meant to teach. It is no different today, religion has been so perverted that now most people actually believe Jesus was a real person and that his story is exclusive only to the Bible. Tell that to the followers of Mithra, a Persian god who was born on December 25, was born of a virgin birth, had 12 disciples, died and rose again after three days and the list goes on and on. Sound familiar? It did to the writers of the New Testament as well because the Mithra mythos existed 2000 years before Christ. Same story different names, and we are supposed to take this literally. There are great stories in the Bible and great spiritual truths. But that is the extent of it. This woman is not only trying to fool the audience that she is "speaking in tounges" or having a god-fit, she is herself fooled and doesnt even know it.

[patrice]

44. Well put.

:hi:

[Coexist]

27. so is this the supernatural version of shaken baby syndrome?

[Unca Jim]

28. Whoa.

To me the creepiest part is how she alternates between super-quiet-mousy speaking and shaking shouting. How repressed is she that the only way she feels she can speak in a loud voice is when she's spouting scripture?

[AlbertCat]

31. super-quiet-mousy speaking

Y'mean where she sounds like she's having sex with Jesus?

The Ecstasy of St Teresa!


Oh, I forgot. Catholics are going to hell too.

[PassingFair]

30. I used to do that ALL the time, dancing to "Twist and Shout"

and doing the "pony"....

My neck used to hurt like HELL the next day.

But... NO VOICES....

[boomerbust]

32. This is the gang

<<<<<<<<<<<<< that demanded their flock vote for this awol coward

[Plucketeer]

38. What a friggin' FARCE!!!!

Pinnacle example of the religious Right! I wonder if she's that animated in bed? :scared:

God.... please.... when you perpetrate that "Rapture" these folks are waitin' for... Please leave me behind! :crazy:

[Seldona]

43. I've seen the same things many here are talking about.

And yes I was creeped out as a child. My Dad was a member of Assembly of God. Nuff said...