Democrats & Obama Cave On FISA

[matthewf]

Run time: 00:27 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCN1g4X7lDg   Posted on YouTube: July 10, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 10, 2008 By DU Member: matthewf Views on DU: 3010

 
Hey DU,
Hope you enjoy today's cartoon... I sure as hell didn't enjoy making it.

[rumpel]

1. sad

isn't it....

[matthewf]

4. it is.

[bahrbearian]

2. K&R

You sure gave Obama a free ride during the primaries, glad you see the light.

[matthewf]

5. thanks, bahrbearian.

[Captain Hilts]

46. He got an easy ride all right. The Onion made sport of it....nt

[MercutioATC]

3. How's the view from that ivory tower?

I don't agree with Obama's FISA vote either, but I'd really be interested to hear how you think this is helpful.

You want purity? Find god.


Elections are very small wars where (hopefully) nobody dies. I value my (and your) 1st Amendment rights as much as anybody, but you're feeding the enemy.

Don't want to get in the trenches? Think you're above the fray because you post your political "truths" in the form of cutesy videos? Maybe you are...

...lemme know how that works for you if McCain is our next President.

[matthewf]

6. Well...

For starters, making these cutesy cartoons is my job.
I don't understand what you mean by "ivory tower" or "trenches".
I'm not going to be voting for McCain.
And if I thought his vote would actually help him get elected, I'd still be dissapointed, but I'd be able to stomach it more.
I think Obama is making political mistakes that will make it harder for him to get elected.

And isn't the whole point of the DU so we can all put our "political truths" out there?

[man4allcats]

7. Re: "And isn't the whole point of the DU

so we can all put our "political truths" out there?"

One would hope. Thanks for the cartoon. Some may find it painful. To a degree, I myself do. So be it. The truth often hurts.

[matthewf]

20. Thanks, anotheryellowdog.

[jgraz]

8. Can I join you in your "ivory tower"?

It seems "the trenches" are running a bit low on common sense.

[matthewf]

21. Sure. Come on up, jgraz.

[stimbox]

9. Good cartoon Matthew

Don't let the Obullies get you down, the view is better from the tower anyways.

K&R

[matthewf]

22. Thanks, stimbox.

[comtec]

12. Im greatful to you Matthew for your toons

painful as they may be, they are, generally, a necessarily amusing way to look at tragedies.
And this IS a tragedy.
It may be true that it's possible to persecute the telecoms for criminal crimes... but that won't really hurt them. I mean... WHO is going to serve in prison?

This is a case where criminal means nothing and being sued by millions of people for monetary damages for loss of privacy means everything.

Thank you again for what you do, distasteful as it was this time. /comfort

[matthewf]

23. Well, I'm grateful for the kind words, comtec.

[YOY]

16. Matthew, when people can't differentiate criticism from a smear then we are all lost.

Keep up the good work as always.

[matthewf]

24. I agree. Thanks, YOY.

[alllyingwhores]

10. I would be really interested to hear how you think Obama's vote is helpful to him politically...

...other than securing his support from telecoms and other related corporate backers? Can you say TRI-ANG-U-LATE? I thought that you could.

[LVjinx]

11. If, as you suggest, both sides are saying the same thing about Obama, that's not a good sign

Not a good sign for November at all. Unfortunately, everything that's being said is based on things that have actually happened. If McCain is our next president, as you suggest he might be, there will have to be long and hard discussions about how we let this happen. We will sweep the senate and the house. It would be a shame if we lost the presidency, as you suggest we might, because, on the verge of victory, Obama threw it all away.

[ramurphy]

35. I am scraping my mouth off the floor

Sooo lemme get this straight: are you really suggesting that it is an issue of "purity" to lose our civil liberties?! And this "feeding the enemy" crap is really appalling. We should be in the frigging streets! Do NOT bring up McCain as a way to excuse this loss of freedom. That dog ain't gonna hunt.

Wow. Just wow...

[humbled_opinion]

45. You sould like a Republican

arguing with a Conservative in support of McCain... LOL politics is nuts like that I guess....Please whatever you do stick to your core principles and let no man or government take them away from you... to do so makes you look pretty silly.... "I will blindly follow no man" thats how dictatorships get started... learn a little history...

[enough already]

49. What else are you willing to overlook to win your 'war'?

This vote blows. No different than McCain.

[hardtoport]

13. I always enjoy your cartoons, Matthew.

I know you didn't take any pleasure in this one, but it needed to be done.

[matthewf]

25. That's true, I didn't.

Thanks, hardtoport.

[ihavenobias]

14. K & R

[matthewf]

26. Thanks, as usual, sir!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

15. Hillary didn't ......

The Democratic-led Congress this afternoon voted to put an end to the NSA spying scandal, as the Senate approved a bill -- approved last week by the House -- to immunize lawbreaking telecoms, terminate all pending lawsuits against them, and vest whole new warrantless eavesdropping powers in the President. The vote in favor of the new FISA bill was 69-28. Barack Obama joined every Senate Republican (and every House Republican other than one) by voting in favor of it, while his now-vanquished primary rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton, voted against it. John McCain wasn't present for any of the votes, but shared Obama's support for the bill. The bill will now be sent to an extremely happy George Bush, who already announced that he enthusiastically supports it, and he will sign it into law very shortly.

[YOY]

18. I'd say the Kyle/Lieberman thing > FISA * 10

and she isn't our candidate.

[matthewf]

28. They're both horrible votes.

[jgraz]

31. And, sadly, Obama agrees with the core of Kyl/Lieberman

Before Kyl/Lieberman, Obama had introduced his own bill declaring Iranian defense forces to be terrorists. I honestly don't understand what's happened to my party.

[matthewf]

32. Yeah. I'm with you jgraz.

[jgraz]

34. So how do you manage to find the funny when you just want to curl up in a fetal position?

The primaries were funny. I got a lot of good material out of Hillary and her craziness. But this is just scary and depressing. I keep trying to put some sort of humorous spin on it and I just end up wanting to scream.

[matthewf]

37. First you scream. Loudly. Then you scream some more. Then you look for the funny.

[jgraz]

39. I guess I'm not done screaming yet.

[lark]

43. It's the party, the candidates and the incumbents

Hardly any of them except Feingold, Kucinich and Biden even know the meaning of the word - spine.
They are better than the others for the most part, but they still sicken me with their endless unnecessary posturing then caving when it counts. Why - the better to get the corporate donations, or are they just craven liars?

[matthewf]

27. Credit where credit is due...

She voted right on this.

[gateley]

36. Agree. Hillary voted the right way on this. nt

[jgraz]

40. Any guesses on how she would have voted had she been the nominee?

I know where I'd put my money.

[lark]

42. Don't you just love it

During the primaries Hillary was unceasingly pilloried as being too right wing, too willing to do anything to win and not the person who would bring "change" to WA. HA! Now that Obama has moved thoroughly to her right and beside McSame in this, well that's totally OK because he didn't really mean it and is just making nice with right wingers to win the GE, with a subtext of who cares about the constitution anyway as long as "our" guy wins? Come on now! This does not help him except with the corporate donations, this makes him look like he doesn't know the meaning of the word principal and will hurt him big time in the GE. Obama needs to decide who he is and present a consistent picture, not this I'm totally committed to stopping something one day then voting for it a month later. He's flip flopping and the media is going to tear him apart for this, and for once deservedly. Of course, they won't highlight McSame's flip flops - Dems ALWAYS are help to a higher standard.

[Captain Hilts]

53. And his policies on things like healthcare were moe cautious/conservative!

Her major policies were more progressive - healthcare, foreclosure,etc. She won all the Big Blue States and the last week of May two national surveys showed her beating McCain by a wider margin than Obama did.

And now his supporters are defending his doing things Clinton would have been fried for.

What a mindfuck for her.

I like him and will vote for him, probably campaign, but it's just weird.

[Capt. America]

17. This is a cowardly act by Obama and Nancy (Quisling) Pelosi...

...throwing away the 4th Amendment and letting the Chimp getting away with more crimes for the sake of political expediency. The whole Democratic Party (save Feingold) needs to be hit with sticks.

[matthewf]

29. Yeah. I'd spare a few more the sticks...

Dodd, Kucinich, a few others.

[FREEWILL56]

54. I think I'll throw in Doyle as well as he has been inline with DK, Dodd, etc.

House of Representatives for Pa's 14th congressional district. He does it more from a backseat though and needs to have a more posturing presence.

[Plucketeer]

19. Kay & Arrrgggghhh!

<- We missed the boat a few months back. Friggin' idiots.

[matthewf]

30. Thanks, Plucketeer!

[tnlefty]

33. "When you see me laughing, I'm laughing just to keep from

crying", I wish I could remember the name of the song that's from as I frequently get that earworm when I watch your cartoons. BTW, for me that is the mark of a good cartoonist.

Bruce Plante used to be the bright spot in the local paper and he would go after anyone, everyone and everything. I hope he is appreciated in Tulsa 'cause he's still missed around here.

[matthewf]

38. Thanks tnlefty. I appreciate it.

[Andrea]

48. I think it is

"You don't know my mind blues" by Doc Watson.

Thank you, Google.

[tnlefty]

52. Thanks!

I have the Doc Watson CD :blush: :dunce:

[Pastiche423]

50. "If we couldn't laugh, we would all go insane"

is another good one.

Changes In Latitudes, Changes In Attitudes

by Jimmy Buffett

[Straight Shooter]

41. Good job. I didn't enjoy the cartoon, though.

Too much painful truth in it. :(

[Dystopian]

44. K&R

Must admit, don't watch political cartoons ....just clicked on this.
And was surprised that it's your own piece of work...
Great job, and I agree...
After the primaries, I never thought I'd be voting for the lesser of the two...

thank you

peace~

[Wizard777]

47. The honeymoon is over! Obama can get his own damned pillows.

If he asks the rightwing for a pillow they will impeach him.

[OhioChick]

51. K&R

:kick:

[NYC_SKP]

55. sad and very disappointing. nt.