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Mon Jul-14-08 06:37 PM
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Cindy McCain Questioned on Being A Homewrecker |
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Mon Jul-14-08 06:46 PM
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1. Great fade in I thought it was still CNN at first n/t |
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Mon Jul-14-08 06:47 PM
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2. I think the blame belongs w/McBomb, not Cindy. She was really young. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:00 PM
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3. no fuckin way.... 24 you know the ropes. may be a poor choice and we all make them |
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but reality, we pay the repercussion for poor choices regardless of age.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:13 PM
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24. yes, of course, at age 24 Ms Helmsley had been around the track. |
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I see nothing wrong with a partnership between 2 adults of whatever different ages. It's just the particulars that matter. Who gets hurt. Neither John nor Cindy seem to've been hurt by their (rather, his) elopement. I mean as in, John just had a mid-life crisis, brought on, as are all life crises, by brute reality. Right? Cindy McCain reminds me just a little bit of Paris Hilton, but an earlier version. I mean this in the sense, I can't really blame Paris. Nor do I blame Cindy, or hold her to account.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:20 PM
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26. cindy willing agreed to hurt four people that never did a thing to her |
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for her own selfish reasons.
i believe in karma, or a universal power that what we chose reflects back
i dont give a shit about cindy or mccain, BUT they get to own what they did
hurt four people purposely and without remorse, three being children.
nothing more or less
i think they both have been paid back if the wife teases him about being bald in public and in front of media and if he implies she is a trollop and calls her a cunt, i think is indicative of how they have lived over time. better them than i
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:54 PM
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28. That sounds like the judgement of God, or of a would-be God. |
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But here's a fact. If it weren't Cindy, it would've been someone else. His number came up in a natural lottery for guys like McCain, just like for other guys. I don't want to enter the private hell that is "John and Cindy McCain". I don't want to take a sledgehammer to Cindy. I just want to defeat John, and John's defeat can be assured straightforwardly. To my mind, McCain is not of sound mind - incoherent. But I guess I have higher standards than the average american.
As for Cindy McCain's "karma", or Paris Hilton's "karma", it seems that if "karma" exists, they were born from very elevated karmic spaces, they were both born to private fortunes and were protected from birth. Neither is suffering much more than anyone else. As the Buddha said, being is suffering.
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:14 AM
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35. it does not have anything to do with the race |
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i was responding to a poster that said 24 was awfully young ergo not responsible for her action. it was a conversation on that
has nothing to do with voting for or not voting for a person
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:46 PM
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36. Who do you think you're kidding? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:25 PM
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37. i did not think much of clintons integirity |
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i voted for him. i am not out to be friends with these people. i dont want to have a beer with any of them. i also dont think a 24 yr old is a kid either
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:02 PM
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4. She was 24. I think that's old enough to know |
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if a man is married with 3 children or not.
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:59 PM
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6. I was going out with a guy for several months before I found out he was married. |
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And another time when the guy told me he and his wife were separated. I believed him since we were pretty much living together, but turns out, he neglected to actually inform his wife that they were separated. McCain probably presented a picture to Cindy that was only in his mind, not Carol's.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:05 PM
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8. possible... but questionable |
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I think McCain agreed to pick up his first wife's medical for life as part of the divorce. Did he have that kind of money or did it come from Cindy?
One of the kids from the first marriage is also a VP at Cindy's company now.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:09 PM
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9. Very possible - and good point about the cost of her medical bills. |
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I'm just saying that men have been known to misrepresent their marital status when pursuing another woman.
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Voice for Peace
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:03 PM
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17. especially older men with young women. sorry to say it but it happens a lot. |
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had she not been a zillionaire he would likely have moved on again after a few years; my opinion.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:03 PM
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23. He did not have that kind of money |
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Though, as the ex-wife of a disabled vet, his first wife may have been eligible for CHAMPUS or something.
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:46 PM
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19. McCain was 42 yrs. old at the time, and |
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an officer in the Navy. Cindy could have found out his marital status at any time with a couple of questions. The majority of women past the age of 18 are able to read the signals. It's not a case of not knowing. It's a case of not wanting to know.
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:32 AM
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31. McCain made the decision to cheat, to break the vows that he made |
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and HE"S the one running for office; if anyone should be questioned, it's John McCain.
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:10 PM
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38. His first wife remained true to him while he was in captivity... |
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she had the misfortune of being in a car accident and had to go through her own torture of multiple surgeries. I guess he couldn't handle the changes. I heard that Ed Meese let her stay with his family until she could get her bearings after the divorce and the Reagans, esp Nancy, was furious. I liken it to Newt Gingrich serving divorce papers to his wife while she was undergoing chemo in the hospital. Just another example of Republican family values.
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:45 PM
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40. It's not as if he was unknown... |
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Edited on Tue Jul-15-08 04:45 PM by madeline_con
He was elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982. (wiki)
spel edit
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:03 PM
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:03 PM
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5. K & R. Also, for more details on this story |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 07:04 PM by ihavenobias
I only think this is relevant because #1 the media is finally covering something on Cindy instead of Michelle and #2, self described "values voters" need to learn about this.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:16 PM
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:41 PM
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16. Apparently not everyone agrees n/t |
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:13 PM
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10. I think you'd be surprised .. |
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To find out just how many RIGHT WINGNUT marriages began exactly the same way ... they can justify ANYTHING they want and slant the truth so it sounds like "it was all just meant to be and praise the LARD" ... it won't matter WHAT anyone prints about this cause anyone who'd vote for a RIGHT WINGNUT WARMONGER like McCain doesn't care give a fuck about the truth ... gag me ...
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:26 PM
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To have an affair. I think old Johnny is a user of people and possibly an abuser of women. I put more blame on him than her. He needed her more than she needed him for money. And she's arm candy so he gets 2 for 1.
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:38 AM
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32. Yes, but it's always easier o blame the women for any man's affair |
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people will blame the other woman for being a "home-wrecker", or blame the wife for not being attentive enough or not keeping herself young and beautiful (which is really nauseating), but so often society gives men-especially REPUBLICAN men, a pass. "They can't help it; they think with their dicks" or so I've heard on one talk show after another. He made the vows, he broke those vows, he's running for office. If he hadn't voted to impeach Clinton it would be a non issue, but now the hypocrisy lies with John McCain.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:27 PM
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13. Frankly, it's nobody's business. |
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People's private lives are exactly that: private.
I don't care when McCain and Cindy hooked up. We complained about the persecution of Bill, but we think that it's OK to delve into a Republican's marriage?
Not me, hypocrisy cuts both ways.
P.S. I also hated when Chelsea was asked about Monica during the campaign.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:32 PM
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I needed that slap of reality. The election season can really bring out the worst in me.
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Mon Jul-14-08 08:40 PM
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15. That's OK, I wasn't directing my comments to anyone in particular. |
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I just hate it when liberals start acting like Christian Fundamentalists just because the people involved are not on our side politically.
I honestly don't give a rat's tail end who sleeps with whom, as long as they are adults.
:hi:
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:11 PM
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18. I think the point is more that the actual Christian Fundamentalists vote for these hypocrites |
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Edited on Mon Jul-14-08 10:10 PM by ihavenobias
Who try to legislate bedroom morality and personal sexual choices.
In that context and in that context only, these things become relevant. And by the way, that's what was so bad about Spitzer. He busted prostitution rings one the one hand and used their services on the other. Without the former the latter becomes a much smaller deal in the minds of many, myself included.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:09 PM
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21. You hit the nail on the head. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:18 PM
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22. There I agree with you. |
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Spitzer didn't make any friends around here and many were happy when he had to resign. He made too many enemies in NY, hardly anyone came out to defend him. It's always vindicating to see the fall of a mean spirited hypocrite.
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:07 AM
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34. There are also chain e-mails ... |
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That set Cindy up as a paragon of virtue. Have you seen that one? Again, marriages break up for different reasons, but when people try to tell me that Cindy McCain is the next Mother Theresa, I have to use some ammunition.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:13 PM
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25. It's private until you decide to run for president |
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I, for one, would have been far happier if Bush's record as a draft-dodging cokehead had morally disqualified him from the presidency.
And there were some Democrats who, even as we were defending President Clinton's personal life as private, also thought that he did squander a tremendous chance to advance the progressive cause in this country for the sake of a little nookie on the side. Some of us were a little galled at having him put us in the position of defending him on the basis of his denials, only to have it revealed later that he did, in fact, have relations with that woman.
The Republicans opened this one up by making Clinton's affairs an impeachable offense. If Clinton's adultery, and his lying about it, which didn't destroy his marriage, was bad, then surely McCain's adultery, and his lying about it, which did destroy his marriage, is an even greater offense.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:27 PM
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27. I didn't complain about the persecution of Bill. I was plenty pissed off at Bill. |
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That's a fact.
But it has no bearing whatever on how I understand John's marriage with Cindy, of John's history.
I hold to ridicule any notion that out of some misplaced loyalty to Bill I should blind myself to character judgements regarding John, or examining facts that relate to such character judgements.
sorreeee.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:07 PM
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I remember a time when I was totally infatuated with someone I should not have been. My body would start trembling when he came near and I would get dizzy...I never experienced anything that powerful before or since. It was beyond sexual. It overrode my critical thinking...But it happens to humans and I for one cannot throw a stone if that were the case for someone else.
And if it has never happened to you...well, maybe you have never lived...or maybe you are twice blessed. I couldn't say.
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:01 AM
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29. I wonder if the reporter asked a follow up question. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:36 AM
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he shows little respect for anyone, including members of his family.
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:47 AM
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33. Yep. Personally, if I were his first wife I'd be thankful that the abusive |
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prick moved on. McCain is a ruthless opportunist and doesn't care about anyone but himself, and his verbal assaults on Cindy McCain are vile beyond belief.
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:41 PM
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39. HO mmmmm Wrecker. LOLO! |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:19 PM
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41. Answer the Question!!!! |
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Dammit Cindy, You can't handle the truth!!!:mad:
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Tue Jul-15-08 06:38 PM
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42. She doesn't like to talk about that sheeet.... |
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No foolin'. Who would want to talk about it? What a blonde bimbo. Not gonna release HER tax returns or talk about her being a home wrecker. What a wench.
Of course, they'll ask Michelle what color panties she wears and all that other nonsense bullshit. Good Lord.
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