And The Rock Cried Out , No Hiding Place (From Babylon 5)

[Ian David]

Run time: 06:26 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYKloZRwLu4   Posted on YouTube: August 27, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: July 26, 2008 By DU Member: Ian David Views on DU: 1198

 
If moderators have a question why this video is "political," please either forward to about 5:20 or PM me first before locking.



Quotes from this episode:

Rev. Will Dexter: Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, oh no, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you.

More:
http://www.tv.com/babylon-5/and-the-rock-cried-out-no-hiding-place/episode/25198/summary.html




See also:


Sunday, April 30, 2006
The Face of the Real Enemy at Gitmo

<snip>

I can't help but think of the Rwanda scenario where the Hutus murdered Tutsis because they saw them no better than cockroaches. The scale of America's mistreatment of others is very small in comparison, but the same principles are in place. What do Americans, and more specifically the soldiers at Gitmo think about the "detainees" they hold there? To them, they are "terrorist". What does that mean? What is a "terrorist?" Certainly in the eyes of these soldiers, "terrorists" are not them, are not Americans, are not American soldiers and American citizens, not English speaking. More importantly, "terrorists" are evil to them, "terrorists" want to destroy them. "terrorists" have no heart and no feeling. So why should "terrorists" be allowed the same comforts as "regular people?" The real enemy is not the prisoners at Gitmo. Neither is the enemy the soldiers guarding them. The real enemy is also not even Mr. Rumsfeld (as much as my passionate feelings would like it to be). Who is the enemy? I quote Babylon 5:

"Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, not at all, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you." -- Rev. Dexter in Babylon 5:"And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place"

The enemy is truly terrorism, but when we terrorize others, are we not also becoming enemies ourselves? Nazis could justify what they were doing to Jews and Gypsies and gays because they justified the existence of people who identified themselves that way. They said to themselves when their hearts were extremely troubled by the murder they saw about them, "It's okay that they die. They are polluting the world. They are animals. I have no qualms about a rat being killed, I should have no qualms about a Jew being killed." This is a much smaller scale with fewer deaths, but the principle is the same. We justify to ourselves the detention of these human beings saying, "It's okay if they are mistreated, and it's too bad if one of them dies in detention. After all, they are "terrorist" and I have no qualms about a "terrorist" dying." This is about remembering and forgetting. Who are we all? What is every single human being on this planet? Where does each human being on this planet come from and what is the destination of each human being on this planet? Are we not all sons and daughters of God? Is not every single child born into this world an offspring of God? What does God think about each and every offspring of His?

Remember the worth of souls is great in the sight of God; 11 For, behold, the Lord your Redeemer suffered death in the flesh; wherefore he suffered the pain of all men, that all men might repent and come unto him. 12 And he hath risen again from the dead, that he might bring all men unto him, on conditions of repentance. 13 And how great is his joy in the soul that repenteth! D&C 18:10-13

The real enemy is not the human being. The real enemy is the principle of terrorizing others, of harming others because they are different. The real enemy is in being a nice guy to those who are "non-terrorists" and a monster to "terrorists." We will not win the "War on Terror" by mistreating detainees. We will not win the "War on Terror" by killing other human beings. When we kill someone else, we cause terror ourselves. No. This war will not be won through violence, but through peace. ***Addendum*** today, May 1, 2006, Ms. Kahn did a question and answer session for people to get a chance to ask her about Sunday's paper on Washington Post's online services, which I recommend as good reading.

posted by nicolaepadigone @ 4/30/2006 06:53:00 AM

More:
http://redhatmandan.blogspot.com/2006/04/face-of-real-enemy-at-gitmo.html




And from the department of COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT:

Osama, Sadam, and all the rest - we're filled with the spirit, and callin' out to you!!!
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/the_bards_breath_no_hiding_place.php




Episode Synopsis:

<snip>

Londo thinks G'Kar has been permitted to escape Centauri wrath for too long, however. Vir is appalled that Londo could care about petty revenge when the entire galaxy is suffused with war.

<snip>

At dinner it is revealed that the religious leaders are part of an organized resistance and intelligence gathering movement on Earth, and come bearing information for B5. Before leaving, Reverend Dexter says that he wants to hold a religious gathering on the station. The Captain agrees over Brother Theo's humorous objections.

<snip>

Back on the station, Reverend Dexter begins his sermon. The enemy is not just something different. "We are all alien to one another," he argues. "The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that we must hate that which is different."

As the service continues, a far eerier ritual begins deep under the surface of Narn. Refa orders his guards to attack G'Kar. His face shows the first signs of fear when they fail to move. Then G'Kar brings out a holo projector with a recording of Londo telling his nemesis his fate. In return for Mollari freeing 2000 incarcerated Narns, G'Kar has captured Refa, the Centauri who is personally responsible for the planetary bombardment of Narn and the deaths of 5 or 6 million Narns.

Holding aloft a data crystal, G'Kar admonishes his Narns only to leave this on the body and keep the face and head intact for identification later.

"No hiding place!" the gospel singer begins in the B5 chapel. As the congregation joins in joyously, Refa scrambles down a corridor into the arms of waiting Narns. "There's no hiding place down here!." He runs terrified back the way he came. "You know the sinner's gonna be runnin' at the knowledge of their fate!" Refa barrels into a crowd of eager Narns. "They'll be runnin' trying to find a hiding place when it comes their time to die!" Even the Minbari begin to catch the spirit and try to sing along. "No hiding place!" Refa's crest drowns under a sea of spotted heads, and he is brutally attacked by the Narn as G'Kar watches, then leaves.

More:
http://www.ntua.gr/lurk/synops/064.html



Revelation 6:15-17
6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/6.html


jms speaks
http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/064.html#JS.song

See also (from a much late episode):

Declaration of Principles of The Interstellar Alliance, by G'kar

The Universe speaks in many languages, but only one voice. The language is not Narn, or Human, or Centauri, or Gaim or Minbari. It speaks in the language of hope; It speaks in the language of trust; It speaks in the language of strength, and the language of compassion. It is the language of the heart and the language of the soul. But always, it is the same voice. It is the voice of our ancestors, speaking through us, And the voice of our inheritors, waiting to be born. It is the small, still voice that says: We are one. No matter the blood; No matter the skin; No matter the world; No matter the star; We are one. No matter the pain; No matter the darkness; No matter the loss; No matter the fear; We are one. Here, gathered together in common cause. we agree to recognise this singular truth, and this singular rule: That we must be kind to one another, because each voice enriches us and ennobles us, and each voice lost diminishes us. We are the voice of the Universe, the soul of creation, the fire that will light the way to a better future. We are one. -- http://tinyurl.com/6n8acn
http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/63901/Declaration_of_Principles_of_The_Interstallar_Alliance,_by_G%27kar

[baldguy]

1. JMS is a prophet.

http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/guide/064.html

[Ian David]

2. JMS said he didn't sleep for days after learning Dick Cheney was a fan of the series. n/t

[baldguy]

3. Just like '1984' - it's not an instruction manual

[Ian David]

4. 'zactly.

Except, perhaps, to those giant douchebags Dick Cheney and Jerry Doyle.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. My husband is still looking for The Book of G'Kar

I fondly remember the series, and have thought of it often during these dark times. Somehow I see Refa morphing into someone from our day and age when I watch this scene.....

[hedgehog]

6. Clearly, this post, with it's suggestion that a Christian preacher might

have something worthwhile hearing, wandered onto DU by accident!




:evilgrin:

[Ian David]

7. It's kind of a mixed-message in regard to the christian preacher.

The quotes by the preacher are admittedly inspiring and positive.

However, the song and apocalyptic message of "No Hiding Place" are most definitely NOT positive, as highlighted by the beating scene it is cut with.

Please note the looks of concern on the faces of the Minbari delegation as they try to gamely go along with singing something they are clearly uncomfortable with.

The Minbari, whose religion is probably closest to a mix of Scientific Pantheism and Secular Humanism clearly find the lyrics troubling.