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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:12 AM
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McCain's economic adviser Art Laffer debates Peter Schiff on the economy. Guess who was wrong?
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Art Laffer, proponent of supply-side economics and creator of the widely discredited Laffer Curve, is yet another in the string of disreputable economic advisers McCain has chosen to help craft his financial policies:

"Having once voted against the Bush cuts, Mr. McCain has reversed position and now has even enlisted Mr. Laffer as a special adviser. “McCain is on the right track,” Mr. Laffer said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/business/26supply.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1


So what did McCain adviser Art Laffer have to say about the economy in August of 2006?

"This is an economy that's driven by good economic policies, good monetary policy, good trade policy and it's working beautifully."


Here's Peter Schiff's take on Art Laffer, and remember that since this debate took place, Schiff's assessment has proven largely accurate:

In my most recent appearance on CNBC I debated Arthur Laffer, who gained fame during the Reagan administration for sketching his controversial "Laffer Curve" on a cocktail napkin. The encounter reaffirmed my belief that the same napkin would probably be large enough to hold the sum total of his economic wisdom.

In the pointed debate, the impeccably genial Mr. Laffer claimed that the U.S. economy has never been healthier, was not dependant on housing, and will be unfazed by higher interest rates. He described current monetary policy as "spectacular", declared wealth had risen dramatically, asserted our trade policy was working “beautifully,” attributed our trade deficit to foreigners outsourcing their monetary policy to America, and claimed that history had shown that such external deficits were not harmful.

Although I would love to refute all of his absurd positions, two in particular stand out as worthy of discussion.

First, Laffer compared today’s current account deficits to those experienced during America’s first two hundred years as a developing nation. This flawed comparison ignores that as a developing nation America borrowed to invest. Those current account deficits funded the construction of vast infrastructure, such as roads, canals, ports, and rail roads, as well the formation of capital equipment, farms, and factories, all of which fueled American productivity. Such investments enabled the production of vast quantities of consumer goods, which America sold back to its creditors, to both pay interest and retire principle. In the end, America's creditors got consumer goods, and America became the wealthiest industrial nation the world had ever seen, in the process turning its current account deficits into enormous surpluses.

In a “night and day” contrast, today's current account deficit has the much more limited role of solely financing consumer spending. Borrowing to produce is the way poor nations become rich. Borrowing to consume is the way rich nations become poor. By squandering borrowed money on consumption, America has no way to repay the principal of its debts, let alone the interest. Borrowing to build factories is not the economic equivalent of borrowing to buy flat panel, high definition televisions, and it’s amazing that Laffer can't see the difference.

Second, Laffer confused legitimate wealth creation with the mere paper appreciation of stocks and real estate. Real wealth creation refers to additions made to the capital stock or improvements made to land; such as constructing new homes, building new factories, opening new mines, laying new infrastructure, planting new farmland, etc. However, if an unimproved house simply appraises for twice its value of five years ago, how is society any wealthier as a result? The house provides no more shelter now than it did then. If stock prices rise merely as a result of multiple expansions, what real wealth has been created?

Though assets themselves may reflect wealth, their prices do not. Assets are wealth because they enable the satisfaction of human desires. In the case of factories it’s the ability to produce products, in the case of houses it’s the ability to provide shelter. Prices merely reflect the perceived value of those abilities and can change substantially over time. The point Laffer misses is that asset prices can fall just as easily as they can rise. Real wealth on the other hand, though it may depreciate if not maintained, barring natural or man made disaster, is far more lasting.

America’s paper wealth however is merely a dream that will soon vanish. Perhaps it’s our gargantuan trade deficit that will actually provide the wake up call. When it does all that will remain will be the debt. As higher interest rates make servicing that debt impossible, the dream will become a horrific nightmare. Perhaps if I drew it out on a napkin Laffer might finally get the picture.

http://news.goldseek.com/EuroCapital/1157126935.php
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 06:38 AM
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1. That idiot news talker is why I don't watch network news.
She thinks the 8 month pregnant waitress is schlepping around your dirty dishes cause she just loves her career as a waitress. What a tool that commentator is. I've seen and heard hundreds of women say they would stay home from their McJobs, if they didn't need the money.

She works cause she loves it, the rest of us work because we have to.
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DoctorMyEyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:13 AM
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2. Yeah, she really pissed me off
And they accuse libs of being "elitist"! Most people don't have "careers" - they have jobs. Dirty, stinking, soul sapping jobs that they'd gladly give up if they could afford to lose the income. And a great many of them are exhausted mothers.
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 07:23 AM
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3. Art Laffer...clap louder children
Actually I cannot believe THAT asshat is Art Laffer of the Laffer curve. The man has no credibility.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-15-08 12:07 PM
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4. None of McCain's economic advisers have..
any credibility.

Yet he pretends he wants to reform Wall St.?
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