Hitchens on 'Hardball': Hillary as Secretary of State a "ludicrous embarrassment"

[DutchLiberal]

Run time: 06:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4U3bASjIcuw   Posted on YouTube: November 18, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 19, 2008 By DU Member: DutchLiberal Views on DU: 2193

 

[meegbear]

1. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4487133&mesg_id=4487133

[Dogmudgeon]

2. He shoore tawks purdy

And all he says is "LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!"

--p!

[DemzRock]

9. Well said, but I would phrase it like this...

"LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME I HATE THE CLINTONS LOOK AT ME."

[GCP]

3. Hitchens is more full of shit than a sewer in Calcutta

HIs hatred of the Clintons is irrational and I believe projection of his own faults onto them. Substitute drunkeness for sexual pecadillos on Bill's part, and craven turn-coatery for ambition on Hillary's, and vomit it up all over Faux and MSNBC.

[psychopomp]

5. He raises very good points in this discussion and is quite rational

Tweety seems to think so, too! Mr. Hitchens may like to drink, so what? One should not judge a person's ability to think based on how they have fun after hours.

[sallyseven]

17. Tweety and Hitchens are irrational

women haters. Hitchens is a drunk and drinks all the time. Grow up. Obama wants Hillary in place so shut the f k up.

[psychopomp]

27. You obviously have issues

that go beyond the scope of a political discussion website. Best of luck working that out.

[democracy1st]

23. that mf thought going into Iraq was a good idea

[itcfish]

31. Hitchens Brain

is fried from so much alcohol. How can you even consider anything he says seriously?

[DutchLiberal]

32. Why don't you explain why Mr. Hitchens is wrong with arguments then...?

Instead of using personal attacks...?

[sui generis]

6. She is without a doubt the best choice other than Albright

and at this point likely a better a choice.

Clinton haters - here's my personal invitation to go drop dead. We need foreign policy talent, not personal grudges.

[psychopomp]

7. We saw how much of a disorganized mess her campaign was...

Sen. Clinton showed very poor judgment and leadership; I do not want somebody who repeats lies about "coming in under sniper fire" on the stump out there speaking off the cuff in the midst of a crisis! Nothing personal there, just a fact.

[sui generis]

10. We saw . . .

I'm sorry, I didn't realize the star chamber was in session.

I'm part of a we too, and as mainstream as any other pretender to the mainstream throne.

I support Obama, but I utterly abhor the kooks here who hated Hillary more than the rabid right wing and just as irrationally.

Name one good thing Hillary did. Most negatively disposed people can't - not because she hasn't but because your bias is THAT strong. That's not rational.

My personal grudge against Hillary: she was utterly disingenuous about gays and same-gender marriage, and her health care initiative was even worse than Obama's proposal. I would not have voted for her for president in the absence of new information or thinking on those topics. But on foreign policy she is a seasoned stateswoman, and has the right exposure and credibility with foreign policy leaders, which is MUCH more important than what people on DU believe about her qualifications based on how she ran her campaign.

Look at the relevant facts, and look at them honestly. It would hurt us NOT to honestly consider her for that position, among other equally qualified candidates.

[Lena inRI]

12. What happened to Wesley Clark for SOS?

On all factual points, he far outshines Hillary.

She as SOS is a spoils system.

He would be a meritocracy at work.

Let's see you spin this one.

BTW, Hillary creating and implementing our first universal health plan would be my hope and her most suitable legacy. That choice for Hillary would then be a meritorious choice.

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

[sui generis]

15. he's potentially a good candidate too

There should be some discussion though about having a military vs. civilian background in our SOS, pros and cons to either side.

[Doodler71]

13. I agree and would add

The "worry" about Bill Clinton is such bs. It is no more than fear and an irrational hate for HRC. The media is only too happy to drool over the maybes and perhaps and some people say and what don't we know, what isn't he telling us rumor mongering. It is no less than the manufacture of scandal.

It's this background buzz among politicos and bloggers and MSM that the source of corruption in American politics is the Clintons, and that anything except them in a position of power is preferable to either of them having any authority.

I for one believe that Pres-elect Barack Obama meant what he said on Nov 4th.

"In this country, we rise or fall as one nation, as one people. Let's resist the temptation to fall back on the same partisanship and pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long.

Let's remember that it was a man from this state who first carried the banner of the Republican Party to the White House, a party founded on the values of self-reliance and individual liberty and national unity.

Those are values that we all share. And while the Democratic Party has won a great victory tonight, we do so with a measure of humility and determination to heal the divides that have held back our progress.

As Lincoln said to a nation far more divided than ours, we are not enemies but friends. Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection."

I believe reaching out to HRC was a stroke of genius on the part of Mr. Obama.

[truedelphi]

19. She and her people are great at wonking a policy

If we want a 45,582 page encyclypodeia on health care, her team is the one that can bring it.

But she and Bill showed little talent for bringing policies to life (Except those items that were heavily favored by Repukes, like welfare reform). Whatever talent it is that gets things through both houses of Congress, they don't have it.

They were very supported by Dems all through their administration, but now with the itnernets, we learn things that expand our view of who they were. They cut back their fianance reform staff so they could work on NAFA, for instance. Their health care reform package gave away far too muchy to the health care industry.

I really like Richardson as Secretary of State. I would rather see Hillary as Secretary of Defense!

[aquart]

29. The primaries are over.

Really time to recognize campaign rhetoric for what it is: an excuse for a raging and irrational sexism on the part of many who wish to be considered enlightened, rational beings.

So who IS the woman you would support for president? Born yet? Ever?

The "disorganized mess" garnered nearly HALF the Democratic votes cast. Show some respect or there will be none shown you.

[DutchLiberal]

33. When will the 'sexist' claim ever be laid to rest?

Why is that every woman feels she's being attacked when only one is?

[psychopomp]

4. Agreed, Mr. Hitchens! No "Bosnia Sniper Fire" Sec. of State!

I am still pissed at her making a comparison between Sen. Obama and Bobby Kennedy during the Primaries, insinuating that we needed to allow her to continue her failed campaign because, hell, who knows, he could be shot and killed just like Bobby! She started to work off her insult and injury by her work during the final weeks of the campaign but by no means should she represent the United States on diplomatic missions!

[DemzRock]

8. I think she's a fine choice.

Yes, she's not perfect and did some stupid things during the primaries, but we should thank her for inoculating Obama against the smears that McCain could not get traction with during the General. She is a hard worker. Her husband was a brilliant president. Again, she's not perfect, but she brings a lot of positives to the equation.

[hisownpetard]

11. Someone, please, get Mr. Hitchens a shower, shampoo and some clean clothes.

[Brotherjohn]

14. He just doesn't want to be the only one (nt)

[Deep13]

16. Hitchens still thinks invading Iraq was a good idea.

I generally like Hitchens as a writer and as a proponent of skepticism, but that does not mean I have to agree with him about this or about the war.

[LatteLibertine]

18. I'd prefer Wesley Clark as well

I disagree with Hitchens on the Iraq war too. I do like his criticisms of religion though.

[hangman86]

20. Hillary is perfectly qualified for the job

and the couple of stupid statements she made during the primaries are irrelevant.

[mod mom]

21. I concur with CH

[nichomachus]

22. Hitchens should never ever use the words "ludicrous embarrassement."

That just hits too close to home

[dodger501]

24. Hitchens is consistent

He hates everybody.

[Quantess]

30. That's from waking up hungover every single morning.

You'd hate everybody, too.

[DutchLiberal]

34. Cheap.

[WhiteTara]

25. Hitchens is a ludicrous embarrassment

to himself.

[bertman]

26. Finally, someone with the balls to tell it like it is. Hillary the Iraq War vote. Hillary the nuke

Iran quote. Hillary the John McCain is ready to be President but Barack Obama is not anecdote. Hillary the Tusla sniper evader prevaricator.

If the New Yorkers want her to be their Senator that's fine. But, please, not the Secretary of State.

[DutchLiberal]

28. Now THOSE are viable arguments! Unlike the personal attacks on Mr. Hitchens...

I was expecting a discussion about Mr. Hitchen's remarks; a discussion about the pro's and con's of HRC as SoS. But instead, the thread ended in personal attacks against Mr. Hitchens. "Woman hater", "drunk", "son of a bitch" is all I read.

I thank you for at least injecting some sanity into this thread, and I thank 'Psychopomp' as well.