FDR in 1936 and 2008

[ms liberty]

Run time: 02:14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRZUaW0HwCM   Posted on YouTube: January 30, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: February 16, 2009 By DU Member: ms liberty Views on DU: 2351

 
FDR nails the Repukes in 1936, with a gentle, mocking humor. I love this President, and I love this bit of film.

It could use some DU love and attention at Youtube; a few freepers found it before I did. Thanks!

[bluestateguy]

1. I would rather analogize 1936 with 2012, if you know what I mean

nt

[ms liberty]

2. That was the first thing I thought of too. It's striking to me, though...

the way FDR took them on is very reminiscent of the way Obama has been handling the Repukes. It's exactly the right note to take, too. It doesn't put up the backs of people whose identity is not vested in the party but who have voted for the GOP in the past, because it invites them to see the foolishness and craziness of what the Repukes are saying. It shares the joke with them, without treating them as if they are on the "butt" side of the joke.

I need to learn that particular skill...I tend to get too outraged, lol!

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[ms liberty]

7. You should spend more time learning, and less time listening to the hysterical right.

Welcome to DU, and enjoy your stay. You like pizza?

[Captain Hilts]

10. FDR's agreeing to tight money policies in '37 raised unemployment. nt

[whathehell]

23. According to Thom Hartmann and others I've heard, that was

because he started listening to the conservatives in his government.

Another notable fact: The Depression started in 1929 when the stock market crashed. FDR didn't enter the presidency until 1933 -- which gave it four years to worsen and intensify before he could get ANY plans going to fix it.

My understanding is that Republican Hoover's response was incredibly similar to what the Repubs are arguing for today -- Tax cuts and..um..Nothing.

[Captain Hilts]

27. Yes, FDR listened to conservatives. Hoover established the Reconstruction Finance Commission...

which was a means by which the federal govt. gave aid to industries and large enterprises.

The problem was, it helped some companies continue to make products for which there was no demand.

In the long run the problem was that it left existing economic/political power structures intact.

FDR, kept the RFC and put a conservative in charge - Jesse Jones. BUT, he saw to it that industries had to compete for money and power: most of FDR's aid went to individuals so that they would not be tied to useless factories and industries. The other thing he did to disperse economic decision making was to encourage the Wagner Act to empower trade unions, thus creating another important pivot point to large industries and wealthy magnates.

[whathehell]

28. I believe he also came to realize that he'd made a mistake. n/t

[Captain Hilts]

30. Yes, I agree. I think he did. I credit FDR with a learning curve.

Fun discussion. Thanks.

[whathehell]

31. Sure!

[ms liberty]

35. Thanks for adding information, whatthehell! n/t

[whathehell]

37. Oh, you're welcome Ms Liberty!...I'm always interested in FDR discussions.

[ms liberty]

34. An informative discussion as well as fun..Thank You...n/t

edited for typo.

[trumad]

12. Man I haven't "sniffed" in a long long time.

Sniff

[JayMusgrove]

15. That's a big ZERO on your knowledge of the Great Depression

There's lots of information out there on the lowering of the 25% unemployment rate by 1936 and by 1941 to 10%, BEFORE the war.

Why don't you read a little of it. Start with John Kenneth Galbraith.

[Javaman]

19. just another freep trying to spread the ignorance. nt

[Stargleamer]

29. Unemployment was 24.9% in 1933, 17.2% in 1939. . .

<http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/Timeline.htm> and continued to decline before WWII as already pointed out. Why do you give a range of "15 to 20%" without looking it up? You may as well say 15 to 25% to cover all your bases.

A 7.7% decline that could have been better had not FDR pulled back in '37.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. Wow, I love what Roosevelt said about the GOP! K&R this, people, please! nt

[ms liberty]

5. I have a major crush on FDR...thanks, SI! n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

6. Me too! You're welcome! nt

[whathehell]

24. Me too...He was a hero to my parents and with all they

told me about him, and all I've learned about him, he's mine too.

Just a thought, but even though the Repubs are now trying to do a little "revisionist history" on him, even THEY, by and large, admit he was the greatest president of the 20th Century.



Update: A link quoting Newt Gingrich. I don't buy his other "greatest" of course.

''I think he is one of the two greatest presidents of the 20th century, along with Franklin Delano Roosevelt.''
-- Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Ronald Reagan.

[Captain Hilts]

11. Here you go...

ER: Okay, I'll kick it.
FDR: And I'll recommend it.

[ms liberty]

16. Thank you! I saw this photo in another thread yesterday...

only I think they were talking about something else then, lol!

[Captain Hilts]

20. Hey...

I've even had Eleanor use the 'f' word' in some of them!

It's one of the few photograph of the R's together where neither is grey and exhausted looking on the FDR Library website.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

38. What awesome Democrats make up our legacy! Now I'm in a great mood. Thanks! nt

[Ishoutandscream2]

8. I have seen this before, and I still laugh

And it is so dead on, even today. Republicans push for everything they can, and yet don't have ways to pay for them. It's "borrow and spend." FDR knew what he was talking about some 70 years ago.

[ms liberty]

9. I'd never seen it before, I don't know how that is at my age...

and I actually saw it on BioClassics this morning on the teevee, the episode was on FDR's first 2 terms...it was that or Morning Joey - ugh!

[susu369]

13. Now that made my day!

:woohoo:

[ms liberty]

17. I thought it was a great day-starter, myself! n/t

[opihimoimoi]

14. KnR....FDR was the MAN

[ms liberty]

18. Thanks, opihimoimoi...he was pretty great, wasn't he? n/t

[opihimoimoi]

21. Although I was born before he died...41....my parents had nothing but good things to say bout him

[whathehell]

25. Yes, indeed...and from what I've learned, he could really kick political ass

despite his very refined manner and patrician roots....My Dad told me that his fellow aristocrats hated him and called him a "traitor to his class".

[opihimoimoi]

39. He had the BIG PICTURE in kind....just like Pres Obama does

Them Pubs are of the ME Class...."Its all about ME"

[vanbean]

42. He was a Saint.

[navarth]

22. K & R for FDR

I went to the YouTube site and saw a couple of the freeper posts. It's really sad...these poor fools need to convince themselves that FDR was bad. If they don't, their entire universe just doesn't make sense.

I could have told them their entire universe doesn't make sense and saved them a lot of trouble....

[ms liberty]

26. they don't know what to think - or how to think - for themselves...

they only how to (badly) regurgitate the hyperbole-driven talking points their Replican masters feed them. Their masters tell them who to hate and blame for their problems, and they dutifully believe and repeat it in the hopes that it will fill that knawing hole inside them, and make their lives better.

Thanks for the K&R!

[Oilwellian]

32. Outstanding

I'm working on a video about the financial crisis and hope to fit this in. Great find Ms. Liberty. :D

K&R

[ms liberty]

33. Thank you, Oilwellian - It was too good to not share! n/t

[rucky]

36. best. president. ever.

[pacalo]

40. K&R. With all the revisionist history being forked around, we need to be reminded.

[defendandprotect]

41. Love FDR and he's a wonderful educator . . . never have enough time to read and hear

all his wonderful comments ---

and especially love his treatment of the rich/powerful/royalists/GOP, etal --

Wonderful humor as well ---

Yes, we should laugh at the Republicans more ----

I go nuts every time I see a DU'er so frightened of what the GOP might say--!!

They'll say anything they can --- it's our job to respond!!!

[LyndonDelanoObama]

43. My favorite FDR Speech

My favorite Roosevelt speech is his "Rendezvous with Destiny" speech he gave when accepting the 1936 Democratic Nomination.

listen to complete speech - mp3

IMO this is the best "defense of liberalism" speech ever given -

FDR says just as the Minutemen of 1776 fought against Political Royalists who ruled without the peoples consent, so also the New Deal of 1936 was a fight against Economic Royalists who have bought control the nation without the consent of the governed.

Liberalism is the defense of democratic rights, conservatism is the defense of Royalists - both political and economic