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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:51 AM
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Rush Limbaugh's Twisted Sick World
 
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meeloo Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 09:55 AM
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1. Let's not take Limbaugh too seriously. Let's have some fun here...
Check out this Rush Limbaugh video to lighten up your day... and maybe even the debate ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb82jM9zTmQ
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rolltideroll Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:11 AM
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2. I like your viewpoint
I think these people should be treated like they are: Put their views out in public, don;'t let them fester like mushrooms. They really can;t bear the light of day. Plus, he is a drug addict who toes the war on drug line, so I enjoy him as a prime example of what happens when cognitive dissonance is ignored.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:23 PM
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9. Agreed. He ain't nothin' but a fat slab of meat with a big mouth. . .
and a tiny penis (I'll bet).
Little wonder he's married so many times - he probably doesn't know enough about anatomy to have sex with his wives.

:evilgrin:
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:26 AM
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3. Is it just me?
Or does he sound medicated...again?
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:35 AM
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4. FWIW, the caller is on tape. Most of those "phone calls" are taped convos w/the screener/producer.
Its all fake. Kind of like the way Phil Hendrie uses short taped snippets as "guests" and "callers" to create the perception that there's a call-in show going on.




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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:47 AM
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7. i've heard what could only be a choreographed series of calls from a
phone bank somewhere- maybe they're all sitting around a big table reading scripts with a director pointing out whose next, maybe in the basement of the heritage foundation. not for limbaugh but for other shows on a few occasions.

they followed a similar pattern- the few or half dozen callers each have a talking point such as bush reasons to go into iraq, then someone calls with a recruiting/patriotism pitch and how much fun it was to serve, etc, then someone with a strange accent calls ranting and raving about US imperialism, or a lisping hippie talking about peace and getting along, and then it's capped with a red neck screaming what a traitor the last caller was- and so on. when you hear that on a friday night and all the callers to the RW show are lucid and concise somethings got to be wrong.

maybe i'm imagining because i can't figure out how it could be done without the screeners and or producers being in on it and if so how could they be trusted to go along? maybe a reward for a whistle blower would be useful.

the choreographed single callers are easy and normal for limbaugh and hannity.
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newmac Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:28 AM
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5. Find this caller; Gretchen, and set her straight
Go find her; in her low income trailer park; without health insurance and set her free from Limbaugh....
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:31 AM
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6. I never really watch Limbaugh clips if they don't include someone breaking down his BS
Of course this video does, but you'd never know it based on the title because there is no TYT/Young Turks/Cenk preface.

I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'.

;)
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Gman2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:20 PM
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8. I am ready to let them know that any means necessary
will be implimented to STOP THEM. The rethugs need a little KENT STATE fear of their own. I am not going to allow luddites to bring down this nation after shrinking GOVERNMENT enough to strangle it in the bathtub. I am ready to fight. Get outta the way or someone is gonna lose something they need! I'm not playing anymore!
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:23 PM
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10. What Cenk says, just backs up what I say,
that the rethug base is batshit crazy. They don't live in reality.
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20score Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 01:19 PM
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11. What's also prevalent in this the right's use of projection. They really did try to consolidate
power. Tom Delay and Rove admitted it. It's just one more example of projection, "the left is stealing elections" etc.

Good job breaking down Limbaugh - he is dangerous.

K&R
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:05 AM
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17. I agree.
Total projection.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:14 PM
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12. I have to disagree with Cenk last remarks
"Why do so many liberal Democrats want to basically tear apart and rebuild this country? Because they don't control enough to satisfy them . . . They are going to establish separate rules for themselves by which they live, such as, they will be able to not pay their taxes and work in government at high levels; they're not going to be subject to whatever greenhouse gas laws there are; they're not going to be subject to any of this, because they're too important, you see."

It occurs to me that we've just had a bunch like that in power. Rush is clearly projecting the vices of the Bush Regime on to Obama administration. For Rush, this is how political works: the side with power uses it to screw its political enemies and create privileges for its own. He is simply afraid of not having power because he fears that the Democrats will use it the same way the Bushies did. It does not occur to Rush that Obama's vision of the world is a democratic one (please note the lower-case d) in distinction to Rush's own right wing authoritarianism which is shared by such until recently empowered thugs as Dick Cheney and David Addington.

It is a sick and twisted view of the world. To you and me and Cenk it may be a fantasy, as Cenk calls it, but to Rush it is a hard reality. It is a Hobbesian view of the world, a world characterized by a war of all against all in which the only solution is to place power in the hands of an elite authority who cannot be questioned by his subjects.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:01 PM
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14. I agree and thought exactly the same thing about Rush's projecting when I listened to it just then
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 10:06 PM by Turborama
but how does that contradict what Cenk was saying? Just askin'...

K&R
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:43 PM
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16. You made me watch it again
It's about the last minute that's a problem. Until then, I'm with Cenk.

Cenk talks in that last minute of the fantasy (his word) "that (Rush) creates for his listeners and he gets them believing it." He makes it sound like Rush doesn't believe it himself. That's where I have a problem. Cenk's tone is dismissive. He doesn't seem to realize that Rush believes his own steer manure. He believes it as sincerely as any of his listeners believe it, as hard as a small child believes in Santa Claus.

Rush is not Dick Cheney manipulating intelligence to get the public to believe crap that isn't true. Cheney knew that there was no hard evidence to support the case to invade Iraq. Rush believes everything you heard him say to that caller. He really believes that liberals are part of some big conspiracy to tear down America and rebuild it as a "socialist" state. To me, socialism is the state owning all property in the name of "the people", although it turns out to be the governing class and only the governing class that exercises the privileges of ownership. But if you ask Rush what a socialist state would look like, it would be one where business, especially huge corporations, are subject to regulations that will keep them from destroying themselves, the planet and the rest of us with them, where collective bargaining is the norm for setting wages, and where every man, woman and child has access to medical care and a free quality education. That kind of "socialism" I can live with a lot more easily than the Soviet style, which I am very happy not to live with.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:39 AM
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18. Ok, I'm not sure if Rash believes it or not but the scary thing is that his listeners do...
Also, isn't the Soviet style socialism the one that Rash is trying to scare monger about? I'm up for the latter type of 'socialism' you describe and, in addition to the 'social' issues, I'd add a focus on the environment.

Being an environmental consultant, It's necessary to be optimistic but it can be quite difficult sometimes. As part of my work, I'm continuously thinking about what's the best way for humans to live in a peaceful harmonious way whilst minimizing the negative impacts on the environment.

One book that I've found seems to have, for me, some of the best solutions (even though chapter 10 might be hard to swallow for some) is "Eco-Economy: Building an Economy for the Earth" by Lester R. Brown.

Below is the introduction and the rest of the book is available to read on the same site.

One of the main reasons I supported Obama was that he seemed to have the potential to bring about (or at least start) the sustainability paradigm shift that our home - Planet earth - so badly needs. As voters and campaigners we have done our best to get him where he is today, let's hope he comes up with the goods and it wasn't just all talk.

-- ---- --

Lester R. Brown, Eco-Economy: Building an Economy for the Earth (W.W. Norton & Co., NY: 2001).

INTRODUCTION
Chapter 1. The Economy and the Earth



In 1543, Polish astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus published "On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres," in which he challenged the view that the Sun revolved around the earth, arguing instead that the earth revolved around the Sun. With his new model of the solar system, he began a wide-ranging debate among scientists, theologians, and others. His alternative to the earlier Ptolemaic model, which had the earth at the center of the universe, led to a revolution in thinking, to a new worldview.1

Today we need a similar shift in our worldview, in how we think about the relationship between the earth and the economy. The issue now is not which celestial sphere revolves around the other but whether the environment is part of the economy or the economy is part of the environment. Economists see the environment as a subset of the economy. Ecologists, on the other hand, see the economy as a subset of the environment.

Like Ptolemy's view of the solar system, the economists' view is confusing efforts to understand our modern world. It has created an economy that is out of sync with the ecosystem on which it depends.

Economic theory and economic indicators do not explain how the economy is disrupting and destroying the earth's natural systems. Economic theory does not explain why Arctic Sea ice is melting. It does not explain why grasslands are turning into desert in northwestern China, why coral reefs are dying in the South Pacific, or why the Newfoundland cod fishery collapsed. Nor does it explain why we are in the early stages of the greatest extinction of plants and animals since the dinosaurs disappeared 65 million years ago. Yet economics is essential to measuring the cost to society of these excesses.

Evidence that the economy is in conflict with the earth's natural systems can be seen in the daily news reports of collapsing fisheries, shrinking forests, eroding soils, deteriorating rangelands, expanding deserts, rising carbon dioxide (CO2) levels, falling water tables, rising temperatures, more destructive storms, melting glaciers, rising sea level, dying coral reefs, and disappearing species. These trends, which mark an increasingly stressed relationship between the economy and the earth's ecosystem, are taking a growing economic toll. At some point, this could overwhelm the worldwide forces of progress, leading to economic decline. The challenge for our generation is to reverse these trends before environmental deterioration leads to long-term economic decline, as it did for so many earlier civilizations.

These increasingly visible trends indicate that if the operation of the subsystem, the economy, is not compatible with the behavior of the larger system—the earth's ecosystem—both will eventually suffer. The larger the economy becomes relative to the ecosystem, and the more it presses against the earth's natural limits, the more destructive this incompatibility will be.

An environmentally sustainable economy—an eco-economy—requires that the principles of ecology establish the framework for the formulation of economic policy and that economists and ecologists work together to fashion the new economy. Ecologists understand that all economic activity, indeed all life, depends on the earth's ecosystem-the complex of individual species living together, interacting with each other and their physical habitat. These millions of species exist in an intricate balance, woven together by food chains, nutrient cycles, the hydrological cycle, and the climate system. Economists know how to translate goals into policy. Economists and ecologists working together can design and build an eco-economy, one that can sustain progress.

Just as recognition that the earth was not the center of the solar system set the stage for advances in astronomy, physics, and related sciences, so will recognition that the economy is not the center of our world create the conditions to sustain economic progress and improve the human condition. After Copernicus outlined his revolutionary theory, there were two very different worldviews. Those who retained the Ptolemaic view of the world saw one world, and those who accepted the Copernican view saw a quite different one. The same is true today of the disparate worldviews of economists and ecologists.

These differences between ecology and economics are fundamental. For example, ecologists worry about limits, while economists tend not to recognize any such constraints. Ecologists, taking their cue from nature, think in terms of cycles, while economists are more likely to think linearly, or curvilinearly. Economists have a great faith in the market, while ecologists often fail to appreciate the market adequately.

The gap between economists and ecologists in their perception of the world as the new century begins could not be wider. Economists look at the unprecedented growth of the global economy and of international trade and investment and see a promising future with more of the same. They note with justifiable pride that the global economy has expanded sevenfold since 1950, raising output from $6 trillion of goods and services to $43 trillion in 2000, boosting living standards to levels not dreamed of before. Ecologists look at this same growth and realize that it is the product of burning vast quantities of artificially cheap fossil fuels, a process that is destabilizing the climate. They look ahead and see more intense heat waves, more destructive storms, melting ice caps, and a rising sea level that will shrink the land area even as population continues to grow. While economists see booming economic indicators, ecologists see an economy that is altering the climate with consequences that no one can foresee.2

As the new century gets under way, economists look at grain markets and see the lowest grain prices in two decades—a sure sign that production capacity is outrunning effective demand, that supply constraints are not likely to be an issue for the foreseeable future. Ecologists, meanwhile, see water tables falling in key food-producing countries, and know that 480 million of the world's 6.1 billion people are being fed with grain produced by overpumping aquifers. They are worried about the effect of eventual aquifer depletion on food production.3

Economists rely on the market to guide their decisionmaking. They respect the market because it can allocate resources with an efficiency that a central planner can never match (as the Soviets learned at great expense). Ecologists view the market with less reverence because they see a market that is not telling the truth. For example, when buying a gallon of gasoline, customers in effect pay to get the oil out of the ground, refine it into gasoline, and deliver it to the local service station. But they do not pay the health care costs of treating respiratory illness from air pollution or the costs of climate disruption.

Ecologists see the record economic growth of recent decades, but they also see an economy that is increasingly in conflict with its support systems, one that is fast depleting the earth's natural capital, moving the global economy onto an environmental path that will inevitably lead to economic decline. They see the need for a wholesale restructuring of the economy so that it meshes with the ecosystem. They know that a stable relationship between the economy and the earth's ecosystem is essential if economic progress is to be sustained.

We have created an economy that cannot sustain economic progress, an economy that cannot take us where we want to go. Just as Copernicus had to formulate a new astronomical worldview after several decades of celestial observations and mathematical calculations, we too must formulate a new economic worldview based on several decades of environmental observations and analyses.

Although the idea that economics must be integrated into ecology may seem radical to many, evidence is mounting that it is the only approach that reflects reality. When observations no longer support theory, it is time to change the theory—what science historian Thomas Kuhn calls a paradigm shift. If the economy is a subset of the earth's ecosystem, as this book contends, the only formulation of economic policy that will succeed is one that respects the principles of ecology.4

The good news is that economists are becoming more ecologically aware, recognizing the inherent dependence of the economy on the earth's ecosystem. For example, some 2,500 economists-including eight Nobel laureates-have endorsed the introduction of a carbon tax to stabilize climate. More and more economists are looking for ways to get the market to tell the ecological truth. This spreading awareness is evident in the rapid growth of the International Society of Ecological Economics, which has 1,200 members and chapters in Australia/New Zealand, Brazil, Canada, India, Russia, China, and throughout Europe. Its goal is to integrate the thinking of ecologists and economists into a transdiscipline aimed at building a sustainable world.

This intro is from here:
http://earth-policy.org/Books/Eco/EEch1_intro.htm

The whole book is here to download free (separated as PDFs into each chapter ):
http://earth-policy.org/Books/Eco_contents.htm



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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 01:57 AM
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19. Response
What Rush is railing against is not Soviet-style socialism. He's railing against universal health care, AFDC, Food Stamps and regulation of business. Then he conflates that Communism. It's not the Soviet Union at all. France, Britain and Sweden, perhaps, but not the Soviet Union. Arguably, it isn't even socialism. It's just the government taking over functions that private business doesn't do as well, like health care, some transportation or delivery of water and power. To listen to Rush, one would think Obama wants to collectivize farming.

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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:22 AM
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20. We're agreeing with each other
Just wording it differently.

Rash is scare mongering by trying to make it all sound like Soviet-style socialism (communism) when in reality it's just a more social-istic method of governing. Whether he's doing it because he truly believes it or because it's what he gets paid to do is something between him and the devil, surely.

Personally, I don't care whether he believes it or not - free speech be damned - he needs to stop or be made to stop so the country can move forward with the president it elected.
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RJ Connors Donating Member (679 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 06:16 PM
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13. It's not about if it's true or not. Truth is not relevant here,
conforming to what their predefined world view is, is what is important and Rush just tells them they have a valid world view and thereby validates them. When they are saying "Rush is right", what they really are saying is, "I am right".
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 10:05 PM
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15. BTW "Rush Limbaugh. MUST. BE . STOPPED!!"
The bleatings of that spew out of his voice hole are un-American to the extreme. He is a traitor and a serious threat to national security.

/rant.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 04:02 PM
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21. Right, it goes back to projection.
It's insane how opposite it is.
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