CherylK
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Sat Feb-21-09 12:01 AM
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Ana is the best!! Come on Cenk, who would leave their wife like that and not call an ambulance or something?! :crazy:
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Sat Feb-21-09 12:21 AM
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1. 3 TYT videos in a row eh? |
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At this rate there won't be any left for me!
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I'm not saying anything, I'm just sayin'. But seriously, I agree with you (and Ana) here. Granted, Cenk started off the case by saying that they have to *assume* the husband was telling the truth. But man, if he was senile and or crazy.
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Sat Feb-21-09 12:34 AM
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2. They're both suffering from some emotional/elderly conditions. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 12:36 AM by elleng
He should have used judgment and contacted someone, somehow; nothing criminal there, imo, but I don't have all the facts.
ps, this type of thing goes on all the time with the elderly; that's 'life.' We have to 'get used to it,' that is, develop some general, useful approaches to this stuff.
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Sat Feb-21-09 12:52 AM
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3. If she was refusing care, they would have gotten a huge bill for nothing. |
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Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 12:53 AM by Seldona
The EMTs couldn't have forced her to go. I know. My dad was stubborn as hell about going to the doctor, as my step-mother has tens of thousands in medical bills already. He wound up not going in until his cancer had reached stage 4, terminal, and untreatable.
The day before he died he went against everyone's advice and went home when he desperately needed 3 to 4 units of blood. He was getting that every 5 days at that point, and it was getting worse.
He died the next day. We argued and pleaded the night before, to no avail. Are we guilty of murder because he wanted to go home untreated? I don't think so. It breaks my heart every day, but I couldn't just tie him down. I wish I could have.
What a sad story all the way around.
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ihavenobias
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Sat Feb-21-09 01:58 PM
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5. It's hard to know what to say |
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Sat Feb-21-09 03:26 AM
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Here we have the information we have. He fed and cared for her. These is no evidence of abuse. Not guilty based on what we have.
For can the wife refuse medical aid? If she is competent, we generally allow her that right. Yes? Can she even refuse life saving treatment? She can, right?. Can the husband command her to accept aid she is refusing? That I must doubt.
So WTF is Ana talking about? She thinks he should override his wife's choice, and if he doesn't should go to prison? What's compassionate about that? Ana would "resolve" this tragedy by trashing the old man's remaining life because he wouldn't trample his wife's last wishes? Hmmm. Kinda sick when you look at it that way.
So what IS ana thinking. That is not clear. But here is the alternative. What if the wife was hurt and asking for help and he refused to summon aid for her. What result then? Guilty, of course. Did he have a duty to summon aid if she needed it and wanted it. Of course! On pain of prison? Sure.
So it depends on how you see it. It depends on whether his cleaning and feeding her indicates he cared and would not deny her an ambulance if she wanted one, and also cared enough to respect her wishes. It depends on whether you believe his story, for the law cannot hold him accountable if you do.
Of course he could have called an ambulance anyway, to cover his ass, but the authorities are sometimes disrespectful of peoples choices, some 20 year old airhead might decide the wife was being a "danger to herself" and her last choices should be made by said airhead. Airheads think like that, y'know. So it depends on whether you think either husband or wife might have thought that possible, whether or not it was "reasonable".
It depends on your life experience, whether you find it believable that an old woman might just have had enough of life, and be stubborn enough to follow through on it.
So Perhaps the real answer is that it is not clear at all. That perhaps a jury should consider it, consider all the circumstances, to do what is right given all the information. Let 12 decide, not one. Do we trust them to do that? Probably.
Yet there is his age, and the undisputed evidence he cared for her and fed her. Is he a further danger to society? In such an evil world where Cheney runs loose and is unrepentant, we ask is this case really worth the candle of a jury trial?
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Sat Feb-21-09 03:20 PM
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Sat Feb-21-09 03:47 PM
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7. History and mental state are the ONLY things that matter in this case. |
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If there was no history of abuse, they loved each other, etc. or he had dementia, then to put him in jail would be criminal. They would need to put him in assisted living.
If he was a serial abuser, and of sound mind, then, jail it is.
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Sun Feb-22-09 11:30 PM
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9. Yeah, that about sums it up. n/t |
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Mon Feb-23-09 09:11 AM
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Come on 10 weeks on the floor? If the woman is going to the bathroom on herself clearly something is wrong. Call the Ambulance and let the EMTs deal with her. I'm sure they'd notice something was wrong.
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