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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 04:00 PM
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Laughing in the Dark-Mark Crispin Miller on Gonzo, Regent U
 
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 04:29 PM
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1. Okay 1st rec yet with a minor caveat
I've so-o-o much respect for MCM and his intellect and tireless efforts to salvage our long lost voting rights and accountability. I like his T shirt too.

However, in as much as I know all too well how our Constitutional rights are at risk, if not thoroughly decimated, I take issue with him thinking that Stewart and Maher are trivializing these issues through humor.

I pay more attention than most and less than some for sure.

It's been excruciating to see my country legalize totally inhumane sadism. My country is nearly unrecognizable to me now.

However, I like MCM work with college kids a whole lot. I feel that if it wasn't for Stewart, Colbert, Maher, and their co horts, I would cope in a way that was far less effective. They reach them in a way that appeals to them.

They often elucidate the absurdity of it all.

As Stewart recently said to Moyers, (paraphrasing) "We are serious people acting silly. They (the politicians) are silly people acting seriously."

That spoke volumes.

I think humor and reinforcement and the exposition of the plethora of fallacies and deception is one way, among many to pull the younger generations out of their apathy. The humorists are only bringing more attention to this problem especially for a certain age group. They are not the problem. The theocrats truly are.

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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:29 PM
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2. I can see your point, but I see MCMs as well. At some point serious people need to behave seriously
Highlighting the buffoonery of fascists may in fact make them appear less dangerous. Joking about them may be allowing us to put off action, a safety valve.

Put it another way, ultimately fascism just ain't that funny. K & R
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 06:44 AM
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8. Stewart should invite Mark on the show. And Mark should do a stand-up
He already does a stand-up job! And, the t-shirt is great! We need more neoproletarians......
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 12:08 PM
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12. I agree. Laughter gets the attention, but needs to be followed up.
These people ARE more dangerous than the 'commies' ever were. They are successfully infiltrating our government.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 06:36 PM
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3. The 'Futurist' (Left Behind) eschatology
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=226&topic_id=2180#2184

as opposed to the 'Historicist' eschatology that prevailed in Protestant circles and the US until around the end of WWII.

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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:11 PM
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4. K & R. Wish I could laugh this off and say he's overstating...
...the seriousness of the threat posed by this movement -- I don't think he is.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:13 PM
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6. Apathy kills.
I have to agree with your assessment. I also think we should use humor while we explain what they are doing.

-Hoot
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-11-07 10:12 PM
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5. There's a great clip of ol' Pat explaining his strategery.
I think it was on theocracywatch.org in one of their vids.

-Hoot
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 03:43 AM
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7. K and R
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 07:00 AM
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9. K&R
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 09:08 AM
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10. Chilling!
It's like the Puritans have returned. Abu Grhaib and witch burnings aren't that far apart in light of this video.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 11:51 AM
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11. Pretty much sums it all up.
This is what i fear the most. I will not live in a theocracy.
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kiteinthewind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 12:23 PM
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13. MCM is on it! These people are very dangerous, and while I love JS and BM and I laugh, we really
need to take this seriously and get the word out. bridgit posted a thread about this a couple weeks ago that has some excellent links in it. These people are not buffoons, as MCM says, they have been working strategically at this for years, and what they have done so far is very alarming. Thanks for the post, babylonsister, and I have included some additional links that I feel are vital to the understanding of this very dangerous movement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=24500

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/25/161632/98

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/26/01436/229

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/12/9/9645/47907

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2005/11/30/10554/198

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050418/pollitt

Backward Christian Soldiers: An Action Manual For Christian Reconstruction
by Gary North
"Are you tired of sitting in the back of humanism's bus?
Jesus said to "Occupy till I come." But if Christians don't control the
territory, they can't occupy it. They get tossed out into cultural "outer
darkness," which is just exactly what the secular humanists have done to
Christians in the 20th century: in education, in the arts, in entertainment, in
politics, and certainly in the mainline churches and seminaries. Today, the
humanists are "occupying." But they won't be for long. This book shows why.
For the first time in over a century. Christians are beginning to proclaim a
seemingly new doctrine, yet the original doctrine was given to man by God:
dominion (Genesis 1:28). But this doctrine implies another: victory. That's what
this book is all about: a strategy for victory.
Satan may be alive on planet earth, but he's not well. He's in the biggest
trouble he's been in since Calvary. If Christians adopt a vision of victory and
a program of Christian Reconstruction, we will see the beginning of a new era on
earth: the kingdom of God manifested in every area of life. When Christ returns,
Christians will be occupying, not hiding in the shadows, not sitting in the back
of humanism's bus.
This book shows where to begin...."
http://freebooks.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/html/gnbc/gnbc.html

From ReligiousTolerance.org:
Its most common form, Dominionism, represents one of the most extreme forms of
Fundamentalist Christianity thought. Its followers, called Dominionists, are
attempting to peacefully convert the laws of United States so that they match
those of the Hebrew Scriptures. They intend to achieve this by using the freedom
of religion in the US to train a generation of children in private Christian
religious schools. Later, their graduates will be charged with the
responsibility of creating a new Bible-based political, religious and social
order. One of the first tasks of this order will be to eliminate religious
choice and freedom. Their eventual goal is to achieve the "Kingdom of God" in
which much of the world is converted to Christianity. They feel that the power
of God's word will bring about this conversion. No armed force or insurrection
will be needed; in fact, they believe that there will be little opposition to
their plan. People will willingly accept it. All that needs to be done
is to properly explain it to them.

All religious organizations, congregations etc. other than strictly
Fundamentalist Christianity would be suppressed. Nonconforming Evangelical, main
line and liberal Christian religious institutions would no longer be allowed to
hold services, organize, proselytize, etc. Society would revert to the laws and
punishments of the Hebrew Scriptures. Any person who advocated or practiced
other religious beliefs outside of their home would be tried for idolatry and
executed. Blasphemy, adultery and homosexual behavior would be criminalized;
those found guilty would also be executed. At that time that this essay was
originally written, this was the only religious movement in North America of
which we were aware which advocates genocide for followers of minority religions
and non-conforming members of their own religion. Since then, we have learned of
two conservative Christian pastors in Texas who have advocated the execution of
all Wiccans. Ralph Reed, the executive director of the conser
vative public policy group the Christian Coalition has criticized
Reconstructionism as "an authoritarian ideology that threatens the most basic
civil liberties of a free and democratic society."

Leading writers in the movement are:

Greg L. Bahnsen of the Southern California Center for Christian Studies.
David Chilton. He adopted hyper-preterism, (a.k.a. full or complete
perterism) a particular belief about end time events. He was basically
ostracized from the Christian Reconstruction camp afterwards.
Gary DeMar.
Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.
Gary North of the Institute for Christian Economics. He is a prolific
author.
Larry Pratt: head of the Gun Owners of America and English First, a
group opposed to non-English speaking immigrants and bilingual education. Author
of "Armed People Victorious" which documents Guatemalan and Philippine militias
and para-military death squads. He was campaign co-chair of the Buchanan
presidential campaign in 1996.
John Quade.
Rousas John Rushdoony of the Chalcedon Foundation is often considered
the founder of Christian Reconstructionism. Author of Institutes of Biblical
Law.
Rev. Andrew Sandlin.
<snip>

Practices:
If they gained control of the US or Canadian federal government, there would be
many changes:

The use of the death penalty would be greatly expanded, when the Hebrew
Scriptures' laws are reapplied. People will be executed for adultery, blasphemy,
heresy, homosexual behavior, idolatry, prostitution, evil sorcery (some
translations say Witchcraft), etc. The Bible requires those found guilty of
these "crimes" to be either stoned to death or burned alive. Reconstructionists
are divided on the execution method to be used.
A church or congregation which does not accept the Mosaic Law has
another god before them, and is thus guilty of idolatry. That would be
punishable by death. That would include all non-Christian religious
organizations. At the present time, non-Christians total two-thirds of the human
race.
The status of women would be reduced to almost that of a slave as
described in the Hebrew Scriptures. A woman would initially be considered the
property of her father; after marriage, she would be considered the property of
her husband.
It would be logical to assume that the institution of slavery would be
reintroduced, and regulated according to Biblical laws. Fathers could sell their
daughters into slavery. Female slaves would retain that status for life. Slave
owners would be allowed to physically abuse them, as long as the slaves lived
for at least a day before dying of the beating. 9
Polygyny and the keeping of concubines were permitted in the Old
Testament. However, Reconstructionists generally believe in marriage between one
man and one woman only. Any other sexual expression would be a capital crime.
Those found guilty of engaging in same-sex, pre-marital or extra-marital sex
would be executed.
The Old Testament "Jubilee Year" system would be celebrated once more.
Every 50 years, the control of all land reverted to its original owners. In
theory, this would require every part of North American land to be returned to
the original Aboriginal owners (or perhaps to those persons of Aboriginal
descent who are now Christians). Hawaii would be given back to the native
Hawaiians.
Governments would all have balanced budgets.
Income taxes would be eliminated.
The prison system would be eliminated. A system of just restitution
would be established for some crimes. The death penalty would be practiced for
many other crimes. There would be little need for warehousing of convicted
criminals.
Legal abortions would be banished; those found to be responsible for
abortions would be charged with murder and executed.
<snip> To read more... http://www.religioustolerance.org/reconstr.htm


You probably need an afternoon to read all this, but it is definitely worth it.
Also, have you seen Jesus Camp? It is a documentary about a camp where these
young children are trained for the "Army of God". The brainwashing and TRAUMA that these people do in the
name of God is just nauseating. These people are dangerous. This is what we should fear, not the 'terrasts"!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 03:26 PM
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17. A movie that demonstrates this mindset is The Handmaid's Tale
It's based on the book by Margaret Atwood. I haven't read the book, but the film was disturbing enough to come to mind 17 years later reading your post.

A Handmaid's Tale on IMDb

***********

"The status of women would be reduced to almost that of a slave as
described in the Hebrew Scriptures. A woman would initially be considered the
property of her father; after marriage, she would be considered the property of
her husband."

Believe me this alive & well. When I married in '91 my father said this about me to my husband at our wedding reception. Literally handing me over to my new master... O yeah, that worked out well for the men in my family.
:evilgrin: :rofl:

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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 04:43 PM
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14. Stewart does not want to be accused of "attacking their religion", so he goes around it
It is *fair* to note that Regent is a fourth tier school, out of four tiers.
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-12-07 10:19 PM
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15. kick!
too late or I'd recommend. Great post!
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:42 AM
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16. and kick again! n/t
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-16-07 07:18 AM
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18. The "Christian Right" is far more dangerous than most think... n/t
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