Face The Nation---Hagel GOP Has Been Hijacked

[Monkeyman]

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If This Guy Gets In Will He Hurt Us In 2008?

[orpupilofnature57]

1. Nope ,not when he's identified.

[54anickel]

2. Huh? Both parties have been hi-jacked by their extremes? Could have

fooled me. The "center" has been moved way to the right of center for at least the past 10 years and the Dems keep moving to the right with it.

Have I missed some big change in the Dem party?

[oldshoe]

19. Hagel, (Mr voting machine upset winner) speaks honestly?

Exactly, As soon as I heard that my body rejected him like a transpalanted lemur organ.

But since he had already said, "the GOP is no longer the party of Reagan, it's been hijacked by extremists", I was already enterd tremors and my anitbodies gearing up.

Duh!

Dear Sen. Hagel, in what way was Reagan's administration different than Bushes, except for the intensity of the extremism is currently higher?

[tsuki]

21. Mr. Voting Machine Upset Winner -- that about says it all. We

know where he stands.

[Gato Moteado]

3. he basically called bush incompetent and dishonest

gotta like that

[sabbat hunter]

4. didnt this guy

make the voting machines that won him the election a few years back?

[Monkeyman]

5. Bingo that's my point is he just saying the right things

He worries me

[Gato Moteado]

25. yeah, he's still a human garbage repuke

but if he's going to encourage fighting within that cockroach colony known as the repuke party, i'm all for it.

[MadMaddie]

6. Yup the GOP was hijacked and aided and abetted by the likes

of Hagel....:banghead:

What a dumbass...he accepts no responsibility for what the Neocons have done to this country.

[TwilightGardener]

7. He's not a neocon. He doesn't like them, and he doesn't like

what they've done to his party or his country.

[Monkeyman]

8. So Do You Think He Will Hurt Us In 2008

[TwilightGardener]

10. Absolutely. If he runs as an R, he'll get lost in the primary shuffle--

he has a major "base" problem, and he's too late for that anyway, IMO. But as an "I", he can take his time (no primaries, although there is work to get on the ballot/get delegates, I guess--Unity '08 is calling him!) and would get attention equal to the D and R nominees. Instant celebrity, equal press coverage. And I think he would have a fairly broad appeal, but would draw more from D's and I's, less so from the R's (the 30-percenters would never go for him, obviously). I can't think of any big skeletons he might have, aside from the totally unproven voting-machine thing, a divorce, and some allegations that he makes his female staffers cry, and not in a good "Beatles-on-Ed-Sullivan" way. I don't know that he could actually win, but yeah, he could hurt us.

[hfojvt]

22. I don;t see why he should hurt us

He's a Republican from a conservative state, so I think he would draw more R's than D's just like John Anderson did. Why wouldn't the 30%ers vote for him? Especially if pro-abortion Giuliani is part of the Republican ticket. I think the 30%ers support Bush, not because they are neo-cons, but because they are anti-abortion.
My BiL in Nebraska thinks Hagel is a RINO though, Republican in Name Only. Which is funny to me, because a Nebraska Democrat like Bob Kerrey seemed like a DINO to me. Also strange that Hagel says the parties have been taken over by their extremes. Unless he is talking about both parties being taken over by their right wing, it makes no sense.
Kinda funny that the M$M is pushing the whole 3rd party thing. Like either Hagel or Bloomberg are going to appeal to Democrats who don't like CEO.

[TwilightGardener]

23. 30-percenters = Freepers. If you've ever been over to Free Republic, they are

not allowed to say anything even remotely positive about the guy, or the mods will pull the post. They hide any threads having to do with Hagel under jokey keywords, so you can't find them unless you do a direct search. They are, however, allowed to post positive threads about Ron Paul (the OTHER anti-Iraq R candidate)--that tells me that not only do they hate Hagel, but view him somehow as a threat. They know Paul has no chance, so he's OK to talk about. That's what I mean when I say thirty-percenters won't go for him. I guess if you're a conservative Republican, anything like universal health care, gay marriage, MoveOn, etc. looks pretty extreme, is all I can figure. It is scary that Nebraska Repubs think he's a RINO--they have a perfectly conservative Republican representing them, but he's not enough of a goose-stepping Nazi for them. One of the few reasons I hate living here.

[hfojvt]

24. sounds to me like alot of the FReepers do like him

but rimjob doesn't.

[MadMaddie]

11. That's great that he doesn't like them and maybe he is not

a Neocon..but what did he do to prevent them from destroying every US government agency with cronyism and incompetence? What exactly did he do to stop this war and it's lies and the deaths?

He was drunk with Republican power like the rest of them....during Republican rule how often did he try to include the Democratic side in making decisions? He didn't have to...the Republicans were in power....

He is just as guilty as the rest of them....I am neither fooled nor sympathetic....to these guys like Hagel who all of a sudden are distraught because the Republican party lays in ruins....Nopity....

Not mad at you....Frankly I am tired of these Republicans all of sudden wanting to work together with the Democratic side...and crying because they think they are being treated unfairly......it didn't concern them to much when Fat Bastard Hastert wouldn't let the Democratic side have meeting rooms to have inquiries into the Crimes of this administration....he cut off microphones and turned out lights....

Don't remember him saying it wasn't right...please correct me if I am wrong...

[TwilightGardener]

12. Don't know if it matters, but he was the only Republican

Senator (at least that I know of) to call for the 2000 Bush/Gore Florida recount to continue. He stuck up for Max Cleland when Saxby Chambliss (with RNC money) ran ads morphing him into Bin Laden--Hagel threatened Bill Frist that he would cut ads supporting Cleland if the ads weren't taken off the air. He's been criticizing the war for years, loudly and often--not just the conduct (like McCain) but the reasons for it. He was one of the first to say that Bush lived in a "bubble" and doesn't get enough counsel from outside his circle. He doesn't trash or badmouth Dems, he says "Democrat-IC party", not Democrat party. He's friends with Jim Webb, he admires Obama, he cosponsors a lot of bipartisan measures--just the way McCain used to be before he realized he had to bash Dems to get in good with his base. He has a huge flaw, and that is conservatism--evident in his voting record. Beyond that, though, he is a decent guy, for a politician.

[FogerRox]

14. Eff him

[FogerRox]

13. Then why has he been voting with them?

[TwilightGardener]

15. He votes conservative, because that's what he is. Neoconservatism

is mostly a foreign-policy/military movement--he is a globalist/diplomacy guy. If you think he sucks because he's a conservative Republican who votes like a conservative Republican, that's fine--I'm not defending that, and that's why I don't want him as President. I'm just sharing what I know about him, since he's my Senator.

[FogerRox]

18. Thats so.... . . . . . . yucky....

[Kat 333]

26. Oh ?

"According to Congressional Quarterly, (Hagel) voted with the White House more times in 2006 than any other senator." I guess I was so agog over the chutzpah Hagel has displayed in loudly and continuosly objecting to the war and the Bush Administration that I neglected to closely examine the man's record. Hagel's Planned Parenthood rating: 0%. Secular Coalition for America rating: 0%. Darfur Scoreboard grade: C. League of Conservation Voters rating: 14%. Human Rights Campaign (gay rights) rating: 0. The man supports a constitutional amendment to ban the burning of the flag.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/archives/2007/01/3402_the_changing_dy.html



In 1996, according to the Washington Post, the biggest upset landslide victory in the U.S. was won by Chuck Hagel. What Hagel failed to mention to the press (or reveal in his required disclosure documents) was that he had up to $5 million invested in, and had been the CEO of, the voting machine company whose machines elected him. Election Systems & Software (then called American Information Systems) was owned by Hagel and a company run by Hagel's campaign finance director, Michael McCarthy, and the machines counted an estimated 80 percent of Hagel's votes.

Source Blackboxvoting.com

[TwilightGardener]

27. Ooof. He's a conservative, he has a conservative voting record.

That's why he's not a Democrat. Duh. My point was that he's not a "neocon"--that's a different animal from traditional (paleo) conservatism. BushCo and everyone running on the R side are neocons--Hagel is not, which is why he is not welcome in the R primary. And yeah, I'm well aware that he owns interest in the parent company that part-owns ES&S, and that he was head of AIS before he became Senator. So I guess I am to assume he fixed his own election? I don't make that leap without evidence, but if you want to, be my guest.

[Kat 333]

28. DUH

If you fix elections, like a neocon, and vote like a neocon
What are you ?

[TwilightGardener]

29. Believe whatever you want--

no skin off my nose.

[scarface2004]

9. hey hagel..put your money where your mouth is!

become an independent and caucus with the democrats, if you want to change things for the better.

[Bullet1987]

16. If he runs...he hurts Republicans, not us

It said it all when he said, "you get in because you want to influence the outcome." He's pissed off at the Repugs and want them to lose badly in 2008. But calling the party isolationist is definently the wrong word...they're the total opposite.

[TwilightGardener]

17. I think they're isolationist in that they have essentially stopped

practicing diplomacy and reaching out to other countries. Nope, we get "Axis of Evil" now, and a refusal to talk with Syria, until lately. The only "reaching out" we've been doing is with bombs, bullets, and threats.

[Lord Balto]

20. The Party of Reagan?

He thinks there's a qualitative difference between Iran-Contra-Reagan and WMD-Iraq-Bush? There wouldn't be a Bush II administration if the Iran-Contra boys had gotten longer jail terms.

[bridgit]

30. "If This Guy Gets In Will He Hurt Us In 2008?"? this guy plays all ends against the middle imo...

check it:

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2004/03/03_200.html

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0301/S00166.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0211/S00081.htm

the articles are dated, but such is the intent of plausible deniability...the face is able to remain the same, or change with the prevailing wind