Rosie on The View Today

[FourScore]

Run time: 03:05 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0vJVhRocFQ   Posted on YouTube: May 14, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 14, 2007 By DU Member: FourScore Views on DU: 6771

 
She's spreading the word as much as she can before she leaves this show. She is outraged!

[romantico]

1. I LOVE ROSIE!

I've never heard of this removing steel and shipping it to Canada before. Has anyone else? I'd like to know more.

[FourScore]

2. She misspoke, and then corrected herself.

The steel was shipped to China.

[FourScore]

3. BTW, I love her, too. n/t

[CGowen]

4. China she misspoke (also India and other countries)

Baosteel Will Recycle World Trade Center Debris

A shipment of scrap steel from New York's collapsed World Trade Center will arrive in Shanghai tomorrow, according to media reports. The steel was bought by Shanghai Baosteel Group Corp. and several other domestic mills, which are always eager to buy scrap metal.

Baosteel Group, the nation's largest steel firm, has purchased 50,000 tons of the scrap steel from "Ground Zero," the ruins of the September 11 terrorist attack, at no more than US$120 each ton, according to yesterday's Beijing Youth Daily.

.....


New York authorities' decision to ship the twin towers' scrap to recyclers has raised the anger of victims' families and some engineers who believe the massive girders should be further examined to help determine how the towers collapsed.

But New York Mayor Mike Bloomberg insisted there are better ways to study the tragedy of September 11.

http://www.china.org.cn/english/2002/Jan/25776.htm

[reprehensor]

5. Here's some sources on that.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Destruction_of_Evidence_from_Ground_Zero_at_the_World_Trade_Center

[Red Zelda]

6. Oooh, that Hasseldick is so smart.

Can I punch her in her made-up face now?

[The Count]

13. No, you can't! She has friends in high places:

http://www.watchingtheview.com/elisabeth-hasselbeck-with-george-bush-and-the-queen/

[CGowen]

14. So much brain power combined on the right side of the picture. n/T

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. Is that the blonde?

This is such a cliche. Why do Republicans always pick blondes to represent their positions? Ann Coulter said it best. Because they can say things that white males can't say, and get away with it.

[Tess49]

7. Okay. Did dimwit Elizabeth say that steel is weakened at

270 degrees? Maybe I heard that wrong. Jeez.

[FourScore]

8. One wonders how we are able to even cook dinner in our ovens!

:rofl:

[Tess49]

11. I know I'll be afraid to walk through the kitchen now. Damn coffee maker! n/t

[FourScore]

12. ROFLOL!!

:rofl:

[truedelphi]

34. You guys don't find yourselves having to replace your ovens several times a week?

I find that if I cook at 225% - tops - I can get my oven to last a whole month!

[JDPriestly]

9. I frankly think that terrorists brought the buildings down.

[CGowen]

10. At least Giuliani should be prosecuted for destroying a crime scene,

as a prosecutor(US Attorney) he should know it.

[Dhalgren]

50. I think that terrorists brought down the buildings, too. The question that

still remains to this day is who those "terrorists" are. All of the "conspiracy theories" could have been circumvented if a real criminal investigation had been allowed, but none was. On top of all of the hundreds and hundreds of unanswered questions regarding the events on 9/11, the question of why no investigation was allowed has to be a primary one.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

15. I cannot understand how any rational person can look at...

...the way those towers came down, knowing that it was roughly at free-fall speed, and NOT think controlled demolition was used. The only explanation I can think of is denial. Here's Wiki's treatment of that subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

[MethuenProgressive]

21. Hijacked planes did it. Conspiracy wankers are in denial.

A huge goverment murder plot is "rational" thinking?
You're in denial.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

25. Who said anything about a government murder plot?

I know I didn't. You make my case for me -- you reject what is obvious (controlled demolition) because you simply cannot accept what you believe it would have to mean, namely, inside job, just too painful, which is classic denial.

If someone were to suddenly produce widely accepted evidence demonstrating how al Qaeda managed to gain access and rig all three towers with explosives for controlled demolition, unbeknown to authorities, you'd immediately accept controlled demolition as the cause of collapse and probably claim you suspected it all along.

[MethuenProgressive]

27. I "reject the obvious"? I saw the second plane hit. Oh yeah, that was a hologram....

:tinfoilhat: < for you, grasshopper.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

30. Who on this thread is arguing that the towers weren't struck?

...You're not passing the smell test for someone who even believes in their own rhetoric, Methuen.

[porque no]

55. Nice try.

Typical.

[kster]

44. And the whole operation was pulled of by a guy who lived in a CAVE!!

:rofl:

[truedelphi]

36. That Wiki entry is very interesting

I got quite hung up there thinking about the concept that denial is used against the person who is NOT in denial (The Wiki article cites the person who attempts to tell the therapist that "No, I am not homosexual - i do desire persons of the opposite sex")

We with the "tin foil" hats - we can't get the other side to see their denial because they are too busy attempting to get us to see our tinfoil

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

39. And while the tin foil label is a form of ridicule...

...I do not bring any judgment at all to those still submersed in denial. I refused to even look at, much less take seriously, the truth movement's arguments until mid 2004 -- the reason was denial.

[truedelphi]

41. Me too! But two things happened that summer

One was my catching hours of the 9/11 Commission on C Span - hours of testimony so ludicrous that at times I could barely contain my alternating contempt and hilarious hysteria. (imagine a defense agency that has received over 30 trillion dollars to prepare for such an attack - and then Hear one of their senior people say "as the plane that eventually hit the Pentagon came towards the Washington DC area - We couldn't contact Andrews Air Force base because only the Secret Service has the base's phone numbers." And the panel of Commissioners would not even bat an eyelash.)

The second thing was a friend of mine coming over to my house to demonstrate on my computer the various clips of WTC 7 falling. He came over every other day for a week. Showed me how it fell.Then made me compare the way it fell to the way that the Towers fell.

Over and over again. I did not want to believe it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

42. That's exactly what finally forced me to...

...open my mind and grudgingly go do some friggin homework -- the 9-11 Commission was just SO non-credible. And I had assumed the Commission would do it's job because I'd always had high regard for Lee Hamilton and figured he wouldn't go along with any kind of whitewash -- what a huge disappointment he's been.

[erpowers]

48. The Bridge Collaspe

What do you think about the bridge that recently collasped in California? Did that bridge not collaspe just do to heat from an exploded tanker? I am not trying to call you a tinfoiler in that I to at one point question how and why the tower fell. However, since the bridge in California recently collasped I am a little less willing to question the fall. It seems that the bridge gave some support to the idea that heat can weaken steel and concrete columns. So, what is your opinion of the bridge collaspe in California. Would you say bridges are different than a tall building?

[FourScore]

49. It's apples and oranges

http://stopthelie.com/freeway_collapse.html

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

57. I'm not arguing that heat can't weaken a steal structure...

...or that it didn't figure prominently in the bridge collapse you're referring to, but I would think this is something of an apples and oranges comparison.

Examining the way those towers came down at near free-fall speed, and seeing how they were literally pulverized, with debris shooting both outward and upward, and seeing the telltale white smoke signature of squibs (blasting caps, or initiators, used in the demolition industry to set off high explosives) preceding the crumbling structure(s) as it/they fell, all adds up, overwhelmingly, to controlled demolition -- LOOK at the videos -- res ipsa loquitur: "the thing speaks for itself."

BTW, there is lots of first responder testimony as to numerous, successive pre-collapse explosions.

Google is your friend.

[Ammonium]

16. Wow

That blonde one...not soo smart.

270 degrees weakens steel!? I guess I won't be driving my car home, or cooking dinner tonight.

[Morgana LaFey]

38. The blonde one is a little right wingnut

Poor thing. All brainwashed. She comes armed with rightwing talking points she probably picks up from the various news shows. She is just pathetic, most of the time.

[femrap]

52. I think KKKarl faxes the little right

wingnut talking points every morning. She just babbles like a polluted brook.

[Ammonium]

67. It's too bad

She's so painful to listen to. I mean really it's like she's not even thinking before she opens that yap of hers. She just squawks and squawks in this awful high pitched voice with nothing important to say.

Whoever said it was correct, the right wing is for those who can't think for themselves.

[wildbilln864]

17. K&R!

Go Rosie! People will start to learn about this stuff thanks to her! That's why they're so against her!

[wildbilln864]

18. the maximum temperature possible from ...

hydrocarbon fuels is 1800 degrees F. as I understand it and steel melts at 2700 degrees F.! Jet fuel is just kerosene basically!

[MGKrebs]

58. If I were a blacksmith, I might suggest that

you don't have to actually melt steel to weaken it.

[wildbilln864]

73. and you might also mention ....

why the rest of the undamaged structure just fell. Do you really believe a kerosene fire did all that damage to three steel framed skyscrapers?
video link

or you might mention approximately how long it takes to sufficiently weaken the steel to make the entire building collapse. :shrug:

[MethuenProgressive]

19. I like Rosie but... Rudy shipped the steel out to coverup a conspiracy?

She does say some pretty kooky things...

edit: sp

[librechik]

20. we know it was shipped out at his order, long before it could be studied

why do you think he did it? Just got in the firemen's way?

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[librechik]

24. ha...come back to the discussion when you learn how to use google

Oh, wait--the black helicopters just took you away!

And you didn't even do anything wrong, so you weren't worried about that.

See ya!

[MethuenProgressive]

26. blogs aren't reliable sources, no matter how many Google hits they get

There's more than a little racism involved in the denial that non-European non-Christians could do what they did. Have fun on Google, and don't forget your :tinfoilhat:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

29. That's like saying newspapers aren't reliable...

...or radio's not reliable, it depends on the specific blog or radio show. Some are credible, some are not.

[Wednesdays]

23. He might have just been "following orders," as they say... eom

[MethuenProgressive]

28. Right.........

And he "sold the steel before it could be studied to China" because they'd help in the cover-up.
Gotta watch them Chinamen... they're sneaky! Um, here: :tinfoilhat: wear it proudly!
Tell us, will ya?
:popcorn:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

31. Is that you, Rudy?

[femrap]

53. I think it's Rudy's latest wife. nt

[chchchanges]

32. I don't care about the building's collapse....

... but I want to know how you can explain the fact that Mohamed Atta's passport survived the crash. The flight recorder was never recovered, however Atta's passport not only survived the fireball, but was recovered within hours from a crime scene encompassing over 1.5 million tons of debris.

I don't care much about conspiracy theories, I just want to know how is it scientifically possible for a paper document to survive the crash/fire/collapse.

[SaveAmerica]

33. Did you watch Forrest Gump? It's like the feather at the beginning..

The plane hit the building, the force made his passport fly out of his breast pocket, out the other side of the building. Then it sweetly floated around and around and around the buildings of Manhattan until after the buildings collapsed, then it floated down to rest on top of the rubble to be found by and investigator.

[femrap]

54. Yeah....that was one of the first clues,

wasn't it? And WTC 7 was another.

[truedelphi]

37. And why did Condi Rice admit on CNN of all places that she

Warned Willie Brown not to fly on Sept 11th (a report that has been mentioned a dozen times or more in San Francisco Newspapers)

[Lena inRI]

45. Right on, Changes. .the devil's in the details. . .

so how can you NOT CARE about these so-called conspiracy QUESTIONS?

WHY FEAR QUESTIONS? Isn't this exactly what these thugs want. . .keeping you UNIFORMED. . .and that's what most Americans are. . .STUPID to EVEN consider the passport story as possible.



:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[Danieljay]

46. Ive always wondered that, and how within 24-36 hours we knew every terrorist

on those planes, and damn near their entire life history. I remember thinking to myself, how in the hell did they figure that out so fast. And Atta's passport just laying conveniently on top of the debris to be found. Effing Bizarre.

And the anthrax mailings are still unsolved. Weapons grade anthrax by the way.

[proud2BlibKansan]

106. And I want to know why fighter jets followed Payne Stewart's plane

halfway across the country yet they didn't follow the hijacked planes on 9/11?

and

Why our government couldn't protect the Pentagon?

[Divine Discontent]

107. DING DING DING!!!

exactly --- they follow airplanes all the time, but the air force weren't around during 9/11 and a lot of our resources were being used for practice sessions elsewhere that somehow happened to ALL be scheduled on 9/11!!!!!!

no one's denying that terrorists didn't take down the WTC's, we allllll need to be screaming this - but who said that they didn't have help... ahem....


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[proud2BlibKansan]

109. A friend of mine said 'well, the terrorists disabled the

electronic signal so the FAA couldn't follow the planes'

Hubby does not buy ANY of the 9/11 conspiracy stuff but he said that comment was ridiculous because the signal the plane sends is NOT the only way we know where planes are in the air above the US.

[porque no]

56. What a snooze you are, got anything remotely original?

That whole tinfoil hat schtick is about as funny and relevant as a hula hoop. It's ok, you are not alone. Keep lying to yourself, if that's what blows your skirt up.

[ourvoicescount]

59. Couldn't agree more. Nothing original, nothing strong enough to answer with = another tin foil hat.

[Moochy]

66. It's fun to mock things you don't understand

nice projection of racism there too.. what a jerk.

[MethuenProgressive]

75. bin Laden did it. Mock the racial undertones if you feel you must.

If the Japanese did it, you wouldn't find anyome saying they weren't smart enough...

[Moochy]

76. Wow even more stereotypes

Got any more racist tropes you want to trot out?

[MethuenProgressive]

79. Your post is an excellent example of the way conspiracy nuts "think".

Conspiracy nuts say bin Laden and his middle-eastern Islamic terrorists couldn't have been smart enough to do this on their own. Deny there's racism involed in that "logic" all you want to, moochy.

[Moochy]

80. welcome to ignore, idiot

You are the one trotting out racist stereotypes and putting words into my mouth.

[MethuenProgressive]

84. Ah, people who don't believe exactly as you do are "idiots"?

How's the air up there on your high horse?

[porque no]

86. "Believe exactly"?

You aren't remotely close to reality, pal, much less close to "exactly". So far you have spouted the numbnut talking points verbatum, care to give critical thinking a shot, as opposed to strawmen and red herrings?

Doubt it.

[MethuenProgressive]

88. "bin Laden did it. With hijacked planes." Is "numbnut talking points verbatum"?????

You do know that just by chanting "bin Laden didn't do it" won't make it true, don't you?

[porque no]

90. Nice strawman.

Who said Benny didn't do it? I said you can't prove it, mensa. Now throw in a red herring.

[Wednesdays]

78. Nice try...

"And he "sold the steel before it could be studied to China" because they'd help in the cover-up."

Nowhere did I say China would be involved with a "cover-up" if there was one. Say if someone higher up on the governmental ladder gave the orders to Giuliani (who would simply be following orders and be clueless about what was really going on), there would be no reason for the Chinese to be briefed about it as well.

I thought perhaps I could post my last message without having to actually spell it all out, but thanks for playing. :hi:

[MethuenProgressive]

81. So, the Chinese have all this "proof" bin Laden didn't bring down the WTC?

And they've hidden it away, so no one will ever know the "truth", just as the person ordering Rudy to sell it quickly wanted to happen?

:popcorn:

[Wednesdays]

83. Please...DON'T stop posting...

I haven't been this amused in ages!

:rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

85. bin Laden killed almost 3000 people on 9/11. And you're "amused"?

Typical.

[porque no]

87. Was Bin Laden piloting a plane on 9/11?

I think you are assuming he "ordered" the attack and therefore "killed" over 3000. None of that can be proven, true believer.

[MethuenProgressive]

93. "None of that can be proven, true believer." You talkin' to me?

Or few dozen of reality challenged DUers who believe in a multi-national conspiracy involving thousands of people, all branches of the military, holographic fire balls, escape pods, empty planes, a shot down passenger jet, hidden away "live" passengers and crews, secret demolition squads, coded stay-at-home messages sent to "certain" WTC workers, and George Bush being an Academy Award worthy actor? You say all that can be "proven"?
:popcorn:

[porque no]

95. Have you ever heard of Burning Man?

Cause that strawman you just built would work nicely in the Nevada desert come August. Care to reconstruct it?

[MethuenProgressive]

99. So, you don't believe in the conspiracy theories?

Or do you have a "pet" theory I didn't mention?

[porque no]

100. I don't believe in yours,

that's for certain.

[MethuenProgressive]

102. You don't believe bin Laden did it with hijacked planes? Then who? How?

Or you just want to be in the "in crowd"? All the cool kids don't believe it, so you don't either?

[porque no]

104. Did I miss something?

Was binny on one of those planes on 9/11?

[fudge stripe cookays]

60. Yeah?

So do you.

[DRoseDARs]

35. According to one source, steel has 60% of it's normal strength at 550'F, double what the blond said.

eom

[angstlessk]

47. That is the oven limit temp...so if steel weakened at 270 degrees

I recon at 550 it would melt?

[AtLiberty]

40. SURPRISE! Organic beekeepers report ZERO losses!!!

http://groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1388

[jarnocan]

43. 911 was an attack by hateful terrorist, but I'm not sure who

htey all were and who was in charge, I think the terrorist were pawns- but were they Bin Ladens or the BU**SH** regimes?
I am glad Rosie is putting the questions out there. More people are ready to learn the truth now.

[Diane R]

61. We need to support Rosie. She's doing wonderful work on that show.

[cynthia]

105. Oh Rosie, I love you

It takes real courage to walk into that studio every day and have to sit across from that dumb blonde.

You are my hero! Keep speaking truth as long as you've got the mike~!

:kick:

[Sander]

62. Who is the "Dumb Blond" who believes steel weakens at 270 degrees?

Sorry for the duplicative post. My Internet connection hiccuped and I did not see all the replies previous to mine.

[keith the dem]

63. I sit here as an engineer designing steel when I saw this post

I hate to say it, but the blond is more right than Rosie. She is wrong on her temperatures and mixed up why Building 7 fell, but those buildings fell just as physics would predict. (NYC does not design for an earthquake in the magnitude caused by a falling WTC. (I guess people believe that a fire and earthquakes never flattened a building before.) Structural steel must be carefully fireproofed to prevent weakening during a normal fire, even then the fireproofing is only rated a couple of hours at most.

These "controlled demolition" theories give the Right Wing lots of ammo to show that we are nuts. (Sometimes I think the theories are planted by Rove to discredit us, much like that planted fake memo that downed Dan Rather.)

Make no mistake, there is a conspiracy here, one of INTENTIONAL GROSS NEGLIGENCE. Our country is being run by liars and thieves, who only want to use Government to benefit themselves. The failures in preventing this attack is related to the failures in Iraq, New Orleans and just about anything Bush touches.

[MethuenProgressive]

64. Excellent post, thanks.

I agree there was a conspiracy too - by bin Laden to send terrorists to hijack planes and crash them into prominent buildings.
There's an amazing amount of denial and projection bounding about in tinfoil-hatted conspiracist circles, fueled by racism and fear. This recent outbreak, fueled by some bonehead's televised rant, exposed a lack of trust in science, the same lack of trust/knowledge that fuels the anti-evolutionists, the moon-landing-was-faked, flying saucer abductees, and global warming non-believers.

Bin Laden did it. With hijacked airplanes.

[CGowen]

68. Of course and Greg Palast is a conspiracy theorist

The other thing I found that they didn't like is that how did those people who were left in the water, how did they drown? And I discovered, talking to the head of the LSU, Louisiana State University Hurricane Center--the people running the hurricane evacuation--they told me, the Chief, a guy named Ivor van Heerden, had been holding this information to himself, he couldn't stand it any more, he said, "Someone's got to speak out. Let me lose my job." What he was saying is that George Bush's White House--he emphasised the "White House"; not just the government--the White House knew 20 hours or so before the levees burst that they were cracking apart and the city was gonna flood.

He was running the operation at the hurricane center in Lousiana, the state of Louisiana, and they stopped evacuating New Orleans. They were all congratulating each other. Katrina never hit the city, it went east of the city, so they were evacuating east. The White House didn't tell them that the levees were failing, and those things collapsed and 1500 people drowned. So people think it's bad; think that George Bush screwed up. It's worse than that. It's worse than that.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0704/S00338.htm

[19jet54]

69. Everybody is blond who...

... reads or studies something for a day or two and then speaks with authority on advanced subject matters like these ladies (men too) The problem is the idiots who believe politicians rather than the scientists when it comes to these issues!

"I don't go to a plumber to ask advice about buying jewelry" Why would I listen to TV shock jocks for engineering data?

[CGowen]

70. When John McCain writes the foreword for Popular Mechanics, the alarm bells should go off

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/3491861.html?page=3

[soulcore]

71. The controlled Demolition theory is not ammo for the right wing

It's the only plausible scenario when you watch the video and look at the after-the-fact photographic evidence of building 7.

The towers are a contentious subject, but you can't honestly look at video of WTC7 collapsing and tell me it wasn't controlled.

[MethuenProgressive]

77. "It's the only plausible scenario"? bin Laden did it. With hijacked planes.

The towers are a contentious subject, but you can't honestly look at video of WTC7 collapsing and tell me it wasn't controlled.

I've looked video of building 7 collapsing, and I can honestly tell you it wasn't "controlled."
Why can't people accept the truth? bin Laden did it. With hijacked planes.

[porque no]

89. Do you own stock in Kraft?

Cause you should, the way you chug the Kool Aid.

Talk about parroting. Polly want a cracker?

[keith the dem]

113. Aided by Bushco's willful ignorance and incompetence...

Not by controlled explosives

[dbonds]

72. The entire weight of the towers was already upon the ground.

They only went from one shape to another shape. There would still be a smaller force as the momentum of the top layers transferred to the ground, but not the force of its weight hitting as that was already there. Even as such, NYC is in an earthquake zone and does have earthquake design considerations as well as high wind since it can be hit by a hurricane.

The real question is how the core of buildings 1 and 2 fell since the core was a central structure and didn't bare weight of the floors vertically. And how long would it take at 1600 degrees to weaken the steal that was in that building (not just generic numbers, but that steel was certified by underwriter labs.)

[MethuenProgressive]

82. ..and it landed light as a feather, never hurting any of the nearby buildings.

Right...

[porque no]

91. It hurt them, so perfectly, symetrically, and evenly that

#7 fell neatly into its own footprint at free-fall speed. Pretty as can be.

[keith the dem]

112. Funny, but that's the direction that gravity points!

What other direction would it go, As far as I know, New Jersey doesn't have a gravitational force on NYC. We do send some pretty good smells that way though.

[liberal N proud]

65. So when did the blond twit become an Engineer?

270 degrees will weaken steel? Volcanic pressure? What volcano is she living in?

[MethuenProgressive]

74. Same time Rosie did.

Hasslebeck (sp) got a number wrong - and so that means the conspiracy kooks are right?
:eyes:

[porque no]

92. Rosie's asking questions, Hasslebunch is parroting mass delusion

same as you.

You sure are invested in the official conspiracy.

[MethuenProgressive]

96. Welcome to DU porque no!

I'm sure, if you try, you'll find the site educational. But not if you hide your head in the sand, shaking in fear that the Gummint is blowing up New York City...

[porque no]

98. Another one.

You got a second career if you want it, scarecrow builder.

[glowing]

94. When the 9/11 happened, I was sitting in my apt in South Carolina

chilled goose bumbs all along my arms and I said in my head because everyone would chastise me "what has Bush done now". Its one of those surreal moments where perhaps a bit of that ESP sense comes over you....Like the one that wakes you before the baby cries for milk. It actually surprised me that as the tragedy was unfolding in front of my eyes that I thought that so clearly. Sometimes we have a moment where we begin to wake up and look around to see our lives, our families, friends... There are things that are important in this world... and this war and this govt and this Amerika is not the United States I want to leave to my kids and grandkids.

Time to hop off the corporate rat wheel and realize that it is us that continues the perpetuation of these wars and this govt and this Amerika.... Everyone needs the trigger... mine started on 9/11 and the more I learn and look, the less I like... So, I try to do what I can. I know its not enough, but right now the rat wheel has caught me in a place where I still have to run... I am trying like mad to slow it down.

[porque no]

97. Great post.

I too had questions on Day 1.

[glowing]

101. thank you... Its going to be 6yrs this year. It has inspired 2 wars

billions of money in wasted slaughter. And the answers were never had.

[porque no]

103. Two very conspicuous wars, at least to those of us

with their eyes open.

[Divine Discontent]

108. agreed, great post!

welcome, friend, to DU, check out my new video in the video forum! :hi:

[Systematic Chaos]

110. Welcome to DU! And my thoughts were similar to yours, only...

...I thought more along the lines of "that was one mighty fine building implosion right there...."

And Bush asking me to not "believe the rumors on the internets" is what led me to DU. :)

[CGowen]

111. "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories, concerning the attacks of September 11th,

malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves."

George W. Bush



still a classic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5M0xtxQVQ