Must see Ron Paul response to Rudy....the truth sucks, doesn't it?

[Hamlette]

Run time: 03:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvrrPCkHKLw   Posted on YouTube: May 17, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 18, 2007 By DU Member: Hamlette Views on DU: 7241

 
Yes, I know Ron Paul is goofy on some issues but this is spot on. He tells Rudy to read the 9/11 report and demands an apology.

[knitter4democracy]

1. You know, I think he's going to get votes.

He might actually make it through a primary or two. I think there are Republicans out there as pissed off as we all are.

[Hamlette]

2. agreed, its a wonderful production..he's got some talent n/t

[AX10]

3. Come on, let't get this on the greatest page!

[Dr.Phool]

4. Kicked and Recommended.

Ron Paul speaking the unspeakable.

They hate us for our freedom and religion? Bombs and genocide couldn't have anything to do with it.

[earthboundmisfit]

5. Allow me... off to Greatest

n/t

[Ilsa]

6. That was excellent, and thank you for posting the link. K&R and

I wanted to see his interview on CNN, but had to miss it becaus eof hauling my kids around after school. He spoke very eloquently, and would have been able to do the same on the night of the debate if FOX Noise and Brit inHumen had let him respond.

[rosesaylavee]

7. Wow. A Publican making sense.

That's worth a K & R.

[AndyA]

8. No wonder why they want to shut him up.

He makes sense. He speaks the truth. He wants to put America first.

Those are surely NOT Republicon traits!

[Vilis Veritas]

9. Thanks for the linkup...

Missed this and was hoping...Ron Paul has the same common sense air about him as Gravel without the Growling anger.

I am thankful that the debates are becoming more inclusive. In the past few election cycles, contenders like Paul would not have bee given a chance to even get this far and most Americans would not be hearing anything but Rhetoric and Mud-slinging.

Now if we can get paper ballots...we might have a chance...

[IronLionZion]

10. What have we gained from all this?

I want the supporters of our US Middle East policy to explain what we've gotten for our troubles. Gas really isn't that cheap now. The Middle East is obviously NOT fertile for our businesses.

[Hamlette]

11. bingo! It is the very reason they have to drown out Ron Paul

someone might ask that question and the answer: "fighting them so they won't come here" is becoming so thin as to be transparent.

[IronLionZion]

12. YES!!! We're fighting them over there so they come and kill our civilians here!

We went there before any of them ever came here. They came here because we went there first.

It's good to have guys like Paul, Gravel, and Kucinich around to tell it like it really is.

[Hamlette]

14. another bonus might be that some dems, seeing the popularity Paul is getting, might grow some.

[ejbr]

18. ya know? n/t

[Old and In the Way]

71. "fighting them there so they won't come here"

I have to laugh when I see Bush, Cheney, and the GOP trolls making this point over and over. Are they that scared that they are willing to use troops as human shields so they can live a comfortable life? I think most of us would say, "fine, if that's the stakes, bring thre troops home and we'll take our chances fighting Al Qaeda over here. I suspect we'll have the home field advantage in that war."

I think it is the most cowardly talking point imaginable.

[Hamlette]

13. Sign the "Debate Ron Paul" Petition

being sent to Rudy telling him to accept Paul's challenge to a debate on foreign policy.

Rudy knows NOTHING about foreign policy (obviously) and to see it televised would do much to destroy his 9/11 is the answer to everything image.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/debateronpaul/

[wtmusic]

16. done nt

[DWilliamsamh]

37. Done! (N/T)

[bonito]

61. Done K&R

[happygoluckytoyou]

15. SUPPORT RUDY

it is the most clear method of getting a democrat into the whitehouse

rudy and mccain are the only GOP candidates with the balls, the moxie, and the true patriotism to campaign in a manner that makes bush look good--- and THAT is true GOP honor

[wtmusic]

17. Rudy and McCain have "true patriotism"? That's a laugh

How do you define patriotism? How do you define honor?

[smoogatz]

22. Rudy's a moron.

But he speaks with the kind of bogus "authority" that Republicans love--he's the tough, no-nonsense Daddy they all wish they'd had. When he's not wearing a dress, that is.

[ORDagnabbit]

58. demopublican or republicrat.,..... not for me..... no to corporate whores!

I'll go with Gravel or Paul

[ejbr]

19. This rational and supported interpretation of recent

events has even made FOX viewers respect him. To think that they gave someone who speaks sanely the most votes in regard to who won the debate is quite telling. It seems that even THEY are now wanting to hear the truth.

[Hamlette]

20. I think it was an online poll which is suspect

even so...

It seems Fox will have a harder time dissing him if they know many of their viewers like him.

[smoogatz]

21. Okay, so here's an idea. How many DUers would be willig to switch

affiliations for the primaries, and go out and vote for this guy? I'd consider it, frankly. It'd be a better race and maybe a better world if a guy like Paul had an actual shot at moving the debate--and maybe winning the nom. I know nothing about his other positions, but at least he's a realist on the war, and not a cynical, pandering, jingoistic dumbass like the rest of them.

[truedelphi]

23. You are so spot on! the only way to really change this country

Is to have two rational decent parties - so in addition to getting the maximum numbers of Dems elected -w e have to do things like register for the Republican primaries as Republicans (in some states - you can vote in any primary you want) That way we can get a more decent version of the Republicans back in running order. ANd barring another 9/11 catastrophe, there are a lot of things that will favor our doing this (such as the average Republican being sick of the incompetent corrupt Bush regime)

It is a tactic that the Republicans use - they will have people go in and vote for Lieberman or whoever.

But we do need to make them sit up and take notice.

[Hamlette]

25. it is a good idea. We should all watch the races in our own states and decide

where our vote will do the most good...for Ron Paul as a republican or for a dem who might defeat (name your most hated Dem here).

I'm in Utah which will be 99% Romney so I don't see an advantage in switching but honestly, to prevent Rudy or McCain or Romney from winning nation wide? I'd take ANY Dem in the race today. (I probably need to know more about Gravel before I say that.)

[Straight Shooter]

24. I would switch to vote for him, just to send a clear message.

People always complain about how our candidates are chosen for us. You can listen to Paul and instantly grasp that no one in The Powers That Be has chosen this man. Unlike the other Repub candidates, he doesn't have a "I heart Reagan" tattoo on his ass.

edit to add, I still vote Democratic in the final election though :)

[Pyrzqxgl]

41. If You Reregister as a Republican there's a danger that you put yourself in!

That is you will be subject to every bit of Republican brainwashing that is available. You will be required to listen only to Fox, Rush, and their ilk and
baptized at least twice daily by Rev. Phelps or someone near enough like him to make no difference. As an ex Democrat you'll probably be required
to infiltrate DU and suggest that good Democrats re register Republican to vote in GOP primaries. Maybe you already know that. Heh Heh Heh!

[formercia]

47. You won't be able to vote in the Democratic primary,

kick out the DLC bums and elect a real Progressive Democratic candidate.

[Straight Shooter]

49. I thought about that, but I'm in Oregon and by then it's usually preordained,so to speak.

Which is why I wasn't able to vote for Howard Dean. :(

[formercia]

50. What we need is a Party free of the big political machine.

Take your pick, Democrat or Republican. It's like choosing between MacDonalds and Wendys. Same tallow, different shape.

[Straight Shooter]

52. From your mouth to *cough* god's ear.

I sure hope you're equating Democrats with Wendy's, though. MacDonald's, ewwww.

:hi:

[formercia]

53. Like the old lady in the hamburger commercial used to say...

"Where's the Beef?" :)

[skepticscott]

81. Hogwash

That's the same Kool-Aid that Ralph Nader got so many people to drink in 2000, and look at the result. All the people who voted their "conscience" and picked Nader because he told them there was no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans ended up handing the White House to Bush and his cronies for EIGHT years. Can you look back on everything that has happened since Bush took office and honestly say that things would have been just as bad with Gore as president?

[formercia]

83. You're right about Nader

a vote for him was a vote for Junior, and that's why the GOP gave him funding. Nader is a very intelligent man but he's an idiot when it comes to politics. Anyone with any common sense saw what was going to happen.

Both parties are dependent on the political machine and donations from big donors that expect something in return besides good governance.

Fine, let whomever the Democratic candidate is in '08 win, but let them know in no uncertain terms that things are going to have to change, one way or another. People are fed up with how our government has been run. It's time for change.

[skepticscott]

84. I don't disagree

that with respect to certain things, most particularly being beholden to corporate money and in the pocket of lobbyists, Democrats are not much better than Republicans, but there are so many other things that the Republicans have perverted far beyond what I can imagine any Democrat doing. On civil rights, gay rights, science, government accountability and general respect for the rule of law, the Repugs are uminaginably bad. And let's not forget the Supreme Court. Bush's Nader-enabled presidency has resulted in two more arch conservatives being named to the SC, whereas if Gore has been president, Rehnquist and O'Connor would have been replaced by moderates or liberals (and probably Stevens would be too), and the liberal block would be solid for another 10-15 years at least. As it stands, the SC is one sneeze by Stevens away from being locked up for the religious right for a couple decades.

[primative1]

26. Word of Warning ...

I did just that thing once upon a time, cast a symbolic protest vote in a GOP primary since my dem primary was a done deal .... When you vote in the GOPer primary (at least in my state) you become a registered GOPer and wind up on the mailing-calling lists for donations until you change your registration back ..... Sometimes those "dear friend" letters come at bad times :)

[Aptastik]

29. True, however

in most (maybe all) states where this takes place, you can also fill out a short "unaffiliation" form which will revert you back to independent status right after the election. But it will be recorded that you have voted in a GOP primary, and you probably will be contacted if you don't have a record of voting in Democratic primaries.

[xxqqqzme]

32. I'd probably do it - I've done it before.

It is one way to use your vote as long as we have a 2 party system.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

39. I've already decided to do so

In my bright red state, the republic primary is probably more important than the general election. I'm already pimping Ron Paul to my conservative buddies.

[TheFarseer]

44. there's too much at stake in our own primary, I think

of course if you like them all on the Dem side, go for it.

[smoogatz]

51. You make a good point.

It's weird that Paul's position on Iraq is considerably more sensible than Hillary's. There is a way in which the current slate of Dems are more or less interchangeable--pending Gore's entry into the race. If he runs, then of course I'll take every opportunity to vote for him.

[Hulk]

27. The Reno, NV "mad cab driver"...

We had a cab driver, TWO TIMES (our bad luck to get him twice), go off on us about his hatred and anger toward American policy in Iraq. He was an Iraqi, and he was furious that our foreign policy had cause the death and suffering of THOUSANDS of innocent Iraqi's. This was in the mid 1990's...loooong before 9/11 ever happened.

They have hated us since the days of Carter. Wake up dumb ass American politicians!!

[orleans]

28. wow--this is great. i gotta watch it again. k&r. n/t

[IndyOp]

30. Over 1600 bombings & 100,000's Iraqis DEAD under BILL CLINTON?!??!

No. No way. All lies. Ron Paul is a dirty, lying Republican!

Or maybe we need a real revolution in foreign policy...

Real Shock & Awe: 1,405,000 Iraqis dead, 15 years sanctions & occupation
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/IndyOp/43

[Hamlette]

33. you don't think the sanctions resulted in loss of life? n/t

[IndyOp]

55. The sanctions are responsible for the 100,000's of deaths - Bush I instituted

them and Clinton let them stand by letting John Negroponte remain in the U.N.

[Morereason]

31. Be careful - He wants to dismantle all social programs, incentives, regulation

Yes, his foreign policy is great. But he will destroy the middle class and our general health. Under Ron Paul the internet would have no safeguards, in other words it will be free for big business to buy out the bandwidth. No social net. No government incentives, which most of us understand that the "carrot" is needed as much as the "stick" to make our economy and infrastructure move in a way that benefits people, not the priviledged class. No taxes. So all private roads, transportation, infrastructure, etc.

I don't know about folks here, but we already know that the best middle class economies *always* involve government as equalizer. That has been our up to recent past, and is true of all good western societies. His way will just lead to social darwinism.

Here is a video of all his comments at the 1st debate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA

[steel71]

35. Ron Paul

That's bogus, he voted against the corporate take over of the internet. McCain and Feingold sponsored the bill last year, and it was shot down. Most of the social programs are going broke, this country is broke and both parties are at fault. We don't follow the Constitution, we get caught up in stupid liberal vs conservative debates that never end. Does the media or politicians promote the protection of the Constitution? Nope, lets debate Hillary vs Obama or Paris Hilton's sex life. The media sucks, both parties suck, corporate America sucks, and there will never be any changes until the people stop playing their games. Stop watching stupid TV shows, stop buying every electronic gizmo that comes along, throw the video games in the dumpster, communities take their schools back, people start taking responsibility for themselves, stop popping pills, stop the "I'm a victim mentality", please help us! momma Sam ideology, parents get involved in their kids education, stop the frivolous lawsuits, start questioning the government instead waiting for the media to do it--which they white wash anyways,people start investigating who really controls our country, and why you don't have any idea who they are-- yet...

[EvolveOrConvolve]

40. Enjoy your stay here

As short as it may be.

[FreeMeFromInsanity]

46. What's wrong with that post?

What gives? C'mon let the truth out, not suppress it. I like Ron Paul and I'm not a Republican. I'm sick of this phony left/right nonsense.

[Straight Shooter]

56. There are a couple right wing talking points in there, but also left wing talking points.

Sounds to me like someone is ready to throw a brick at their television set. :)

Welcome to DU, both of you. :hi:

[Pyrzqxgl]

42. Or which planet they come from.

[The Count]

68. All righty then...Just because we recognize where your guy is right...doesn't mean

we'll all convert now to the "me first, you die" philosophy you guys are so fond of... Sorry.

[Truth2Tell]

74. Not Fair

"Under Ron Paul the internet would have no safeguards..."

Can you back that up? Ron Paul is not a "big business" libertarian. He is not beholden to the oligarchy, nor does the type of "actual" capitalism he espouses aim to further empower the present kings. I think Paul is less likely to let "business buy out the bandwidth" than nearly every other presidential candiate, R or D.

For one thing, Paul has big beef with the entire notion of the existence of corporations. Hear very many mainstream Dems talk about that lately? And he is the ONLY member of congress - either party, either chamber - with the guts to talk about the standing fraud of the U.S. Federal Reserve.

Just because many of us don't share Ron Paul's views on domestic public policy - or that we plan to vote for someone else - doesn't mean we shouldn't cheer for his integrity.

[CGowen]

75. CNET News.com has rated presidential candidate Ron Paul as the #1 defender of the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFFqANVvTV4



A less obvious winner was Rep. Ron Paul, a Texas Republican who represents a rural district along the Gulf Coast that's home to few Web 2.0 start-ups but plenty of cattle ranchers and petrochemical companies. He topped the House rankings with a score of 80 percent, narrowly besting two Northern California Democrats.

"I believe strongly in protecting the Internet," Paul said in an interview. "My colleagues aren't quite as interested in the subject. That, to me, is disappointing."

To create our 2006 News.com scorecard, we selected 20 representative votes in the U.S. House of Representatives and 16 votes in the U.S. Senate. Then we wrote a computer program to download, sort and tabulate approximately 10,400 individual "yeas" or "nays.

http://news.com.com/2009-1040-6131719.html

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. This is exactly why I was glad to see Ron Paul announce

I knew he'd call them out on some of their bullshit. A Democrat saying the same would have no effect on the Republican voters. Coming from Ron Paul there's a better chance that it may actually be taken into consideration.

Yes, I know Ron Paul and his history in politics. I'm not saying I want him to win POTUS. What I am saying is he has potential to shake up the Republican race in a way that their party may not be able to handle.

[monmouth]

36. Done, and it felt good. I hope he gets the votes..n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

38. Ron Paul is against the war. That's great.

What's his voting record on the other policies that affect this country? A republican is a republican is a republican.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. Bingo!

He is terrible on ALL domestic issues. We might get out of Iraq if he is elected, but we will end up with tax cuts and no health care.

[The Count]

69. Exactly. Those guys who steal elections and actually start the wars Ron decries.

[Mosaic]

72. A smart man but...

I certainly don't support him for president, but I do believe he's one of the most enlightened, if not the most informed Republicans in Congress period. I hope Rudy gives him that apology.

[formercia]

45. Another bit of Truth:

http://www.public-action.com/911/oblintrv.html

October 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:

"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.




"Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors." (Koran 2:191)

[calteacherguy]

48. I could support a Clark/Paul 08' ticket.

Irregardless if I share all of Paul's views, he is clearly a man of the highest integrity who speaks truth to power. We need more of those in government.

[Hamlette]

60. wait! He is anti abortion, a racist, wants to take the US back to the gold standard

and was...20 years ago considered to be the most right wing nut case in the country.

How far we've come....down.

He's right on the war, so is Hagel but neither of them should have any more power than they have.

[sellitman]

63. You are spot on.

Because a clock is right twice a day doesn't mean it is a Rolex. This guy has good qualities but he is FAR from being a Democrat.

[Hamlette]

64. I do love that he rubs their noses in it though....

but I'd rather see it be Hagel. Hagel doesn't seem so nutty on other issues. (He's WRONG on all the other issues but he's not as nutty as Paul. The gold standard? Sheesh.)

[sellitman]

65. Both Hagel & Paul might try to pull a "Lieberman" as a third party candidate.

Being from CT that scares me.

I hope we wouldn't have as many stupid Democrats as I think we would if that were to be the case.

[Hamlette]

66. I don't think so but who in the hell knows what's behind Paul's support now

I always thought Perot took far more votes from the GOP than from the dems. The huge downside to a 3rd party candidate is the GOP will lose and scream for 4 or 8 years how the dem is not legit and we'll do the attempted coup again (impeachment).

One thing I do know...8 years of pro torture, pro war Rudy or that empty suit Romney and I really fear for our country. All we can pray for is they are not as wacko as W but I'll never say "how could it possibly be worse?" again having asked that after Nixon AND Reagan.

[OnyxCollie]

73. He won't be elected, but he'll help to make the repub contenders look like bigger idiots.

I won't switch to vote for him in the primary (can't vote repub), but I do hope he'll push people to the Dems.

[The Count]

70. Clark wouldn't.

Just sayin' :shrug:

[BrklynLiberal]

54. Can't deny Ron Paul truly calls 'em like he sees 'em.

[aravoth]

57. Thanks for posting that

I just wanted to say thank you for posting that. It's so hard to get his message out since the MSM is pretty much in "blackout" mode. Several of us Called into Hannity's radio program today and were cut off, or dropped. And now Fox is pulling out everything they can to discredit him. But they appear to be having a hard time :) I thought you would enjoy this video, had me rolling
http://youtube.com/watch?v=J8oO_OD3PtI

I know Alot of you won't agree with his policies, just remember, that if nothing else comes out of this election, We will have shaken every neo-con nazi that hijacked us out of our party. There were and are alot more of us against the war than the media showed.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

85. Welcome to DU!!! Thanks for the video! It's US against every neo-con nazi that hijacked our country

:patriot: Democrat or Republican, :loveya: :grouphug:

[nicknameless]

59. FWIW: According to Randi's show on Wednesday, Ron Paul came in 2nd in Faux's poll

(Close to the top of her second hour)

http://www.randirhodesarchives.com

[barbtries]

62. but....

hasn't it been established that iraq was not responsible for 911? giuliani is an ass, crazy and it's baffling that he would even stand a prayer of being nominated let alone elected. but that other guy - well, i'll watch it again perhaps. maybe i'm missing some sense here ... maybe

[CGowen]

79. he can't say everything and has to outplay them with their material

http://www.911blogger.com/node/5648

Dr. Ron Paul, Texas Congressman exploring a run for President, appeared on The Alex Jones Show Wednesday and had the following to say about 9/11:

"CALLER: I want a complete, impartial, and totally independent investigation of the events of September 11, 2001 . I'm tired of this bogus garbage about terrorism. Ask Michael Meacher about how he feels about this bogus war on terrorism. Can you comment on that please?

HON. DR. RON PAUL: Well, that would be nice to have. Unfortunately, we don't have that in place. It will be a little bit better now with the Democrats now in charge of oversight. But you know, for top level policy there's not a whole lot of difference between the two policies so a real investigation isn't going to happen. But I think we have to keep pushing for it. And like you and others, we see the investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on.

JACK BLOOD, GUEST HOST: I think it's fair to say that of all the candidates out there, the one most interested in reopening the investigation and clearing the questions is Dr. Paul; and you should be commended for that.
-----

[tomp]

80. that's an incredible admission...

...that neither the repubs nor the dems want the truth on 9/11 to come out. of course, those of us with any insight at all have known that all along. the next leap is to the truth that u.s. imperialst foreign policy is bipartisan policy and has been for the last century.

[The Count]

67. gee, I never saw THAT one on the cover of NYC tabloids! I wonder why?

Mr "I put the emergency center in WTC" needs to do some reading!:rofl:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

76. that is one hell of an ad.

compared to ghouliani screeching and screaming like a banshee (what is a banshee anyway, in the undead sense of the word?) Paul makes a ton of sense. All it will take is a few cops and firemen to hold a conference about all the stupid things that Rude-y did leading up to 9/11, explain how he made things worse and how taking credit for appearing on TV in the smoking, dust-filled aftermath is nothing to be proud of.

[Wetzelbill]

77. wow, way to go Congressman Paul!

Hammer successfully dropped!

[Wetzelbill]

78. I just have to add that I didn't even think it was possible to get an ass kicking

like that. I haven't saw a beating like that since King Kong Bundy pinned S.D. Jones in 9 seconds in the first Wrestlemania. Wow, I just blacked out for a second on that one.

[SeanQ]

82. If only most of the GOP put the truth first