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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:06 PM
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Republican Lobbyists CAUGHT Hacking Youtube
 
Run time: 03:08
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT_Xrj0owz4
 
Posted on YouTube: November 04, 2006
By YouTube Member: antiklaus
Views on YouTube: 27262
 
Posted on DU: November 05, 2006
By DU Member: Sydnie
Views on DU: 3604
 
This video is very disturbing. I noticed myself how highly rated videos were of the Kerry gaffe and couldn't figure out why they were getting so many high view numbers. Maybe this explains it?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:16 PM
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1. It IS disturbing, but I think YouTube is fucked. The minute it got bought out
was the start of the finish.....
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:11 PM
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9. Yes, funny how this started after the Google purchase.
Suddenly someone unfriendly to progressives is able to hack YouTube AND Google? I smell a rat.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:57 AM
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19. The vast majority of all programming code is hackable. I doubt it has anything
to do with google, except for how the google management deals with a hack.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:19 PM
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2. recomended.....
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:22 PM
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3. ok, I watched it, but I"m a little dense, I didnt understand the mechanism
of the hack. Is the person actually hacking their servers, or taking advantage of a programming loophole?

sorrry, non-hacker here.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:24 PM
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4. I am not sure myself
It appears that they have found away around not only youtube but google itself, so that they can control what shows up in a search. Appears to be a mega google bomb of some sort? :shrug: Hopw someone that knows something about this type of hack will see this and respond.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:38 PM
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5. good. I thought it was just me.
I believe its likely true, but I without understanding the mechanism, I have no way to know how correct or incorrect the film maker is.

I wish it was better explained for us non hackers to get on board with it.
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:56 PM
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7. Watch these
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIaJyvesOrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSAmD6TaDQM

For those of us who don't get it, there is obviously those out there that do get it. And boy, is he pissed!
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:32 PM
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10. "let's pay attention to these right-wing pisstakers"
GREAT LINKS

ok. i have a new insult. great links there thank you VERY MUCH!!!!
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:54 AM
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17. well, that does look like some sort of actual hacking may be involved
- inside help, possibly.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:47 AM
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16. Technically it is not hacking -
It is an exploit of the ranking mechanism; the more pages that link your stuff, the more 'famous' you are. PR firms have time and money to create pages that link stuff they want to be highly ranked.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:10 AM
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20. You can also pay Google to rate it up
we know Google is compromised. As soon as I start doing research on a subject, pages begin to disappear.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:28 AM
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21. source?
I know google adds position are payed for, but those are distinct from standard page ratings.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:29 AM
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26. Special Deal
Reserved for High Party Officials.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 06:58 AM
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34. someone else..
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-06-06 11:57 AM
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35. thanks for the followup
I can't say that i'd be very surprised.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:30 AM
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23. Exploiting a system is also hacking, but that's not exactly what's happening here
The beginning of the video shows that Google applies a sandbox effect, which prevents a link from being immediately available the day that it is posted.
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 07:42 PM
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6. youtube link... rate it up!
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:01 PM
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8. thanks for the link.
:kick:
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:36 PM
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11. Vid on a different player but I think it explains the hack.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-04-06 08:46 PM
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12. Reference the Kerry gaffe video, it did show a tremendous number of views.
Edited on Sat Nov-04-06 08:46 PM by Straight Shooter
It was only one sentence, so there was no context whatsoever. There were over 1700 comments posted, and most of them were irrational and unhinged. My favorite lunatic poster said that Kerry got a self-inflicted piece of shrapnel in his butt when he tossed a grenade in a rice paddy to see what would happen.

Stupid people shouldn't breed, because they have stupid kids who grow up and post stupid comments on public forums.

YouTube is a fun site, but if it's being manipulated for political purposes, it will become too boring for most users.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 01:14 AM
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13. That is insane
There is such desperation from the right-wing they are willing to start hacking a website? I shouldn't be surprised, but it is astounding how far they will go.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:06 AM
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14. KICKING. Gee, what else could they be hacking . . . nt.
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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:12 AM
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15. I was wondering why my mailbox said I had that many messages...
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 05:27 AM
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18. It's not hacking. It's pretty obvious what it is.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 08:37 AM
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22. Same as the advertiserd black list of AAR. Faking the free market to make believe
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 08:40 AM by The Count
liberals are a minority, their POV is not interesting, followed by anyone...
Propaganda. Censorship. On any level you can think of. Thinking now of CNN polls that started with huge freeper handicap in numbers, and "freeping"
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 09:32 AM
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24. FLOODNET is being used to jack up
the number of views, domestic version , think so anyway.

See here for analogy on once a minute re-load: http://www.collusion.org/sphere/webmedia/USFN/explanation.htm

for general information on electronic civil disobedience just google floodnet.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:15 AM
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25. Whoever put that video together is a freakin genius.
I thank him or her for watching our backs.
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:40 AM
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27. This is what Warren25 was fighting against... and what got him banned
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 10:53 AM by CornField
Of course, he's back with a new account -- warren25smash -- and still giving them hell.

Here's his "I'm Back" vid --
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSAmD6TaDQM

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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:44 PM
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29. That was interesting...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 02:37 PM
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28. Stealing the youtubers right to vote!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:13 PM
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30. There's some Firefox extension that makes multiple hits on a video
and generates 1000s of hits for a clip. They get high ratings without being viewed, but get on most viewed pages where they get publicity they didn't earn.

I can see why YouTubers are mad about it.
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go west young man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 04:15 PM
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31. As with all the cool things that occur on the internet eventually
some asshole comes along and kills the cool. Hell they have Dan Senor on the Board of Directors for Google now. Rupert Murdoch owns MySpace.com and YouTube will soon be all generic BS advertising. The best thing to do is seek out the new stuff before it gets mainstream. Ask.com has just come out with a newer search engine that pulls up quick glimpse mimi pages and has the same algorithm setup as Google. It's a bit like Netflix but a search engine.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 06:47 PM
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32. That is bad, but that's not the only RW Scumbag thing going on there...
I posted, here at DU, about this on Wednesday, November 1, 2006, Here's the link: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2921521>

The "conservative_YouTubers" Group and their leader, Michelle_Malkin, are flagging videos they don't like, and M_M has her own little channel, where she posts her Hate Speech.


And guess what!?! NONE of her videos that I and several other DU/YouTube members flagged as "Hate Speech" have been removed or even marked as flagged or as inappropriate!!!


Here are the links:

<http://www.youtube.com/group/conservative>

<http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=michellemalkin>

If you have a membership at You Tube, you should check out their "discussion threads" in the above group and/or "Flag as Inappropriate" a few of Her hate filled videos as "hate Speech" or "Other TOS Violation" or what ever you deem appropriate.

I began to suspect that something like this was going on after watching the video rant by that hypocritical, shirtless red-neck that was posted here (sorry, but their is no better way to describe the guy) because of the random nature of the way the videos I posted were getting removed.

They were nothing subversive, but the ones that criticized Bush or the RW definitely were the first to go.

Anyway, enough of my griping, the main point of this post is to point out this hateful Group of "conservative_YouTubers" (Conservative Potatoes?).

What should be done here? Because, these Conservative Potatoes are on a campaign to stifle free speech on YouTube now too!

Note: I put the underscore between the words so that, hopefully, those darn Conservative Potatoes won't find this post with "the Google" :evilgrin:

And I'm not even going to get into all the members and videos that I had bookmarked before the Google take over that are now gone. I was going through old bookmarks last night, at least 19 of 20 had been removed. I have another post about this in my DU Journal.
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 07:02 PM
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33. I knew something was up on YouTube that day
It really didn't sit right that the anti-Kerry videos were getting so many thousands of views. A story on sex wouldn't get that many views, so a lame joke was all of a sudden the top ranked video. I'll have to admit I had my doubts about YouTube viewers that day. Now it is all explained. The republicans cheated -just like they always do. Fuckers!

Sonia
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