This Guy No Longer Makes Me Laugh - He's Just A Dick

[unapatriciated]

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Monday, July 06, 2009

It's time for America, a nation of immigrants, to tell Joe the Plumber to fuck off

By Michael J.W. Stickings

Here's Samuel Wurzelbacher's latest invective of ignorance (at a right-wing tea party, no less):

I believe in making sure our country is safe first. I believe we need to spend a little more on illegal immigrants. Get them the hell out of our damn country and close the borders down. We can do it. We've got the greatest military in the world and you're telling me we can't close our borders? — That's just ridiculous.

Now, of course, America is a nation of immigrants, many of more of them illegal, in one way or another, than just the Mexicans who so trouble the nativist bigots of the right, Joe included. And, of course, many of the illegal ones from Mexico and elsewhere down south came to America for the same reason generations upon generations did before them: in search of hope, in search of a better life for themselves and their children.

If Joe wants "our damn country" to belong to his own kind, I'm sure there are more than a few native Americans who would tell him to get the hell out, too.

In fact, let's take up Joe's idea and run with it: Let's turn America into a military-police state with a wall around it. Let's target the Other, anyone who doesn't look right, anyone who might be a little too brown for Joe's liking. It's fascism, sure, but that's what he seems to want. (Notice that he equates illegal immigrants with terrorists. Making America "safe," it seems, requires targeting Mexicans.)

Mass deportation? Hey, why not?

Well, my American friends, why don't you start with the Wurzelbachers themselves? ...

[wryter2000]

1. Why does he keep getting attention?

Not a criticism of the OP or the thread, but why do we keep talking about him in public? We stopped talking about Jeff Gannon, who makes a lot more sense than this idiot.

[summer borealis]

5. He is the personification of American failure.

[Grinchie]

23. Personification of the lack of Education

Ethics
Nutrition
Empathy
Reasoning
Responsibility
Wisdom
All of the Above

[greyghost]

31. BINGO

[burning rain]

6. To me he's interesting as an archetypal....

What's the Problem with Kansas? conservative.

[JayMusgrove]

32. A real Archie Bunker, but not at all funny. n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

2. ...and The Base of the GOP narrows even more.

Every time when Joe or Palin flap their jaws, a new Democrat is born somewhere.:D

[ihavenobias]

8. True. n/t

[Ikonoklast]

3. Joe The Turd That Won't Flush

Beats honest work, I suppose.

Three generations ago the Nativists used the very same arguments against people like Samuel's great-grandparents, in order to keep out cheap immigrant labor.

Wonder if he ever thought of that.

[tularetom]

4. Let me get this straight - up to now he made you laugh?

He always made me wanna hurl. :puke:

[unapatriciated]

28. I laughed at him not with him. The guy is an idiot. Now he is an idiot dick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st_JK9KCFi0

[Hansel]

35. Me too.

When I was younger and went out to the nightclubs, there is always one of these dicks at every one and everyone hated them but are too afraid to say so to their face. Except me. Then they would hit on me because I was just playing "hard to get". Dumb as a box of rocks. Most of them drank themselves to death. So if you see Joe the Dumber, buy him a beer.

My home is just bordering a red neck area of my stat--just adjacent to Michele Bachman's district.

[GETPLANING]

7. Joe the Skinhead

He's not a plumber, or anything. He doesn't even have a job. He's just a dumb-ass skinhead collecting wingnut welfare who is trying to be the next American I-dunno.

[TxVietVet]

16. He's the worse there is

a SCAB, without a license, attracted the attention of the KKKonservanazi repuliKKKans. Now, he's some great KKKonservanazi hero. BFD.
This turd-chasing wanabee is sucking up cash from the fools that love the KKKonservanazi propaganda he puts out.

[StClone]

19. Joe is a turd

That the Repucks don't want to pinch off.

[Bleacher Creature]

9. Just like Palin, we have John McCain to blame for putting him front and center.

I hope people don't ever forget that.

[Loge23]

14. Indeed! There's a pattern here. (eom)

[HopeHoops]

10. He's a dildo with ears.

Why does anyone even care about him?

[AsahinaKimi]

11. I have a girl friend...

Who is pure Cherokee and lives on a reservation,
who would love to help him back his bags.

[Pool Hall Ace]

20. Now you're talking!

:thumbsup: Splendid idea.

[rpannier]

12. Greatest military in the world. We can do it!

If they weren't all over in western Asia

[winyanstaz]

13. Forget Joe, he is nothing but a bigot

As a Native American I just want to say....the rest of you are welcome..but Joe has got to go.

[pitchforksandtorches]

15. Somebody puleaze call "The Dept. of Law" on this motherfucker!

nt

[braunfels]

17. San Antonio Tea Party

Joe the skinhead was there on Saturday along with secessionist Gov. Perry. Several thousand of the Klan aka real Americans showed up to rally for "states rights" and bash Obama. Local media played it up as if it were a legitimate July 4th celebration.

[DUlover2909]

18. I don't mean to sound like I agree with Joe the freakin plumber,

but...

What is the solution? Alot of people are pretty pissed about what they view as an invasion. They see their public areas being tagged by gangs, their jobs being lost because of low-cost union busting laborers, their hospitals either closing down, running on deficits, or charging more to paying patients to cover the indigent. Our emergency rooms are packed every hour of the day. Pregnant women with no insurance and no citizenship and hence, no prenatal care are showing up at the last minute in labor.

Don't get me wrong. This is not an ethinic issue or an elitist issue. The problem is that the USA is not a bottomless well of money and prosperity. There are people all over the world that would love to come here for a better life. We all want a better life; US citizens included. It's not fair to other nationalities that they can't just walk on over or come here as easily on a work visa that they allow to expire.

I'd sure like to see a progressive solution from someone smarter than me. I know it's complicated but that's just the kind of problem we hope our elected officials can tackle and resolve. I'm prety sure we have immigration laws for a good reason. To simply look the other way and let it happen seems cowardly and unjust. So what do we do?

[AlbertCat]

21. What is the solution?

What's the problem?


Is illegal immigration up significantly lately? ILLEGAL immigration, not immigration. I mean, I don't know.

Y'know....if there wasn't anyone hiring illegals (and those who did got punished so that the hiring was just not worth it)there'd be little reason to come here illegally. How about cracking down on the employers?

I do know that closing up our borders is as impractical a dream as flat or no taxes.

When are these fools gonna deal with reality?

[DUlover2909]

22. Yeah I don't agree with the Plumber when it comes to his poice state solution.

It seems like cracking down on employers would be a pretty big job too. There's alot of it. Maybe we could do something about overpopulation in poor countries or maybe address the poverty itself. I know we spend bookoos of dollars on defense here. Maybe some of that could be used to help people in other countries and give the fewer reasons to come here undocumented.

[Grinchie]

24. The only union busting I see going on is from Big Corporations and the assholes that work for them

Right now, as we speak, Linda Lingle is illegally trying to bust Unions in Hawaii. Twice the Supreme Court has smacked her down for skirting the law, but she is continuing with a vengeance. Now, add a frantic panic stricken, rabid dog, rovian media machine that is present in Hawaii, and the Unions are under staggering attack.

Illegal Immigrant are not stealing jobs, they are doing jobs that no sane American would subject themselves to in order to chase the fraudulent American dream.

You should try and put yourselves in their shoes and get a taste for what they go through, because at the root of the matter you are no different for them. You are made of the same material, function the same way, and feel pain and suffer identically. They are not widgets or intruders, but the same family of life as you.

This Bullshit about the USA not being a bottomless well of money. Explain the military, with is ever increasing pricetag, paid for with money conjured out of thin air. What about the war on Drugs, which ensares 90% of Americans with the threat of criminality, and finances huge programs of corporate warfare, weaponry and interdiction. The Corporation depend on illegals, and they even go so far as to sacrifice a manageble number to Immigration officers, but not too many to interfere with production.

No, it's not because we have a better life up here, it's because they are purposefully neglected and abused down there. The system of humanity is broken, and trying to foist responsibility on those least capable to handle that responsibility is a cop out, and a myth.

I guess you've never traveled south of the border have you? America just wasted 3 trillion dollars on an uneccessary war in Iraq, and we can't even help our direct neighbor to the south, other that opening up the floodgates to exploitation by American Corporations through NAFTA.

The republicans and the Government in general have painted themselves into a corner on the whole immigration issue. You are buying onto the shallow story created for the benefit of hate and fear, and regurgitated over and over again by talking shitheads like Joe the Asshole.

[DUlover2909]

37. When I said union -busting, I was referring to the perception people have of undocumented workers.

I totally agree with you that it's the employers and corporations are the real culprits. Don't attack me. I'm on your side. I agree whole-heartedly that the defense budget is insane and the wars were not necessary. I have been south of the border many times. I have worked alongside undocumented workers doing the very jobs you say Americans won't do. I can speak Spanish and I don't hate them at all. I was trying to get a solution to the Joe the Plumber attitude and how to fix it.

[jberryhill]

34. I'm not sure I understand this....

their hospitals either closing down, running on deficits, or charging more to paying patients to cover the indigent.

Have you determined what portion of "the indigent" consists of illegal immigrants?

It sounds like you are confusing two different issues.

[DUlover2909]

36. Yeah I thought I might have.

My sister-in-law is a nurse in Dallas and she's telling me that the indigent care at Parkland is roughly half and half citizens, non citizens. Indigent meaning no insurance and/or homeless.

[jberryhill]

38. That is still non-responsive data

Two questions:

1. Your sister is checking citizenship status of patients? How?

2. "Non citizen" does not mean "illegal immigrant". There are millions of non-citizens legally residing in the US. How is an ER nurse assessing resident status of her non-citizen patients?

I've never been asked at a hospital whether or not I am a citizen, legal resident non-citizen, or illegal resident non-citizen. I'm fascinated by the notion that patients are showing up at the hospital and identifying themselves as non-legal resident non-citizens. How does that work?

Your definition of "indigent" as "no insurance / homeless" is interesting. I spent two years without health insurance while making six figures a year. (try getting health insurance after paying for a physical that turns up high cholesterol). What method is your sister using for determining the patients she treats are not paying their bills, as I did without insurance? I'm not aware of any hospital where nurses work in the billing department.

Or by "non citizen" does your sister mean "people who speak Spanish", when she really has no clue what their status might be, or whether they pay their bill?

[DUlover2909]

39. Maybe she's wrong. I don't have any data. I was relating the perception.

She was telling me what the people that run the hospital say. They are run by a board of people that apparently think illegal immigrants are jamming up the ER. This they say is why they depend on philanthropy to support the hospital because state funds aren't enough to keep the doors open. That's the information that they are providing for their annual losses.

I'm not an expert in any of these matters. I was trying to get a conversation going about what can be done about the public perception of the problem that Joe the Plumber was clumsily describing.

I understand the questions you are asking. I have the same questions. To look the other way however isn't productive. Eventually the donations might not be there. There are a whole lot of people that think like Joe the Plumber and there's got to be a reason for it. Maybe the reason is ignorance. My use of the word indigent comes from how the hospital defines them. These are patients that do not have insurance and can not pay for the services.

Personally, I'd like to see universal coverage for everyone that comes into any doctor or clinic paid for by the government. That only addresses the healthcare side of the immigration debate.

[jberryhill]

40. To be clear....

The people that run the hospital do not know the immigration status of the people that visit it, since that information is not collected by the hospital, and nobody says "oh, yeah, I'm here illegally" when asked.

There is no way to determine the citizenship status of the patients. Period.

The people that run the hospital see a bunch of hispanic sounding names, and are making an uninformed statement. People with hispanic names have been living in Texas longer than people with anglo names, but English-speaking immigrants to Texas never bothered to learn the predominant language.

To look the other way however isn't productive.

Uninformed non-data is not productive.

There are a whole lot of people that think like Joe the Plumber

I don't believe that either.

[DUlover2909]

41. Ok well then never mind.

I guess there no problem after all.

[jberryhill]

42. Don't know if that is sarcastic....

But if you have data defining a "problem" then one might talk about how to "solve" the "problem".

What you have proposed is not a "problem". You have proposed a line of inquiry to find data to determine whether there IS one.

This reminds me of Sarah Palin explaining how we are going to address global warming without "arguing over what causes it". Ummmm... it don't work that way, hon.

[DUlover2909]

43. I only have anecdotal evidence and things I perceive in the media

regarding public sentiments about immigration issues. For that reason I have decided to drop it since it doesn't seem like it's worth persuing any further. Like I said, I am not an expert. We happen to disagree about how many people agree with Joe the Plumber. It might depend on in what part of the country each of us are living.

[MrModerate]

25. You found him funny, even once? n/t

[unapatriciated]

29. In the same way I found palin funny.

because joe actually thought he was the real deal. He was just the village idiot of the day. palin and joe gave late night talk shows a lot of material, but now it's time for him to go back to being a "plumber" and buy that non-existent business.
Now he just a dick.

[MrModerate]

44. I'll admit to having laughed at Jon Stewart, David Letterman, et al . . .

When they skewered Palin and Wurzelwhacko. But I couldn't possibly laugh at either one: way.too.creepy.

And Palin came way too close (by which I mean flying into the lower 48) to the White House.

[cindyperry]

26. Joe the dick

an appropriate name for a dumbass.

[JTFrog]

27. Joe: I'm the smartest guy in the world? Says who?

Secretary of State: The IQ test you took in prison. You got the highest score in history. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

[momdogz]

30. JTP is another victim of McCain and Palin

and he doesn't even know it. Gag. I'm imagining what Sasha Baren Cohen could do with him.

[LiberalLovinLug]

33. Next stop Glenn Beck

Glen will cry while the plumber leaks shit

[MisterK]

45. archie bunkers alter ego nt

[MNmom]

46. Incredible that the Republicans had to use him as a spokesman!

What gave him any credibility??? What knowledge & experience does he have? Mind boggling.

[wroberts189]

47. Joe you're 5 minutes are up ..go away.. please go away... nt

[ellenfl]

48. it might be a big task but the illegal immigration solution is

simple, really . . . enforce the law against the employers. no jobs, no illegals coming for them. simple supply and demand.

ellen fl

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