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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:44 PM Original message |
Cops choke a man to death for drugs in his mouth July 11 2009 |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. Fractured hyoid? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. That's because a fractured hyoid is strong evidence that force was applied to the throat. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Excuse me |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. But there are affirmative defenses to homicide (like being a LEO restraining a combative suspect) |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. how much force is necessary to fracture a hyoid? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Not really how much, but where |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. When a 250+-pound guy thrashes around? Who knows? |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. Where's the toxicology report on the murderer? |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Testosterone and adrenaline? |
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npk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Most PD's do test |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. See what happens when law enforcement DOESN'T use tasers? |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. oh bullshit.... |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I call "Bullshit" on your "Bullshit" |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. resisting arrest does not justify excessive force |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 11:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
55. no one HAD to die... |
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droidamus2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Of course |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. You could say the same of a surgeon who loses a patient on the operating table. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:56 PM Response to Reply #18 |
36. a patient consents to the procedure and thus the risk |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. right. that was to preserve evidence |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. You're 100% wrong. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
30. well, i dont know procedure |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. I made the same offer to "safeinOhio" ..restrain a 250+ pound combative man and then talk to me. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. The suspect was still alive when the second deputy arrived |
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TheEuclideanOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 05:43 AM Response to Reply #35 |
53. Really? That is what you would have done differently? |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:39 AM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Seriously... |
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suzanner (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
11. case for police stupidity |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Talk about "low IQ"...you're lowering the bar, here. |
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scarface2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. so he had drugs...big fucking deal!!! |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. The issue was that he ATE the drugs. |
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safeinOhio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Necessary measures? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Deal with a 250+ pound man who is resisting arrest and then talk to me. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. once the second deputy arrived, the suspect was alive and fully cuffed |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:25 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. And then the cops ended up killing him anyways |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:58 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Just as a surgeon will sometimes kill a patient they are trying to save, yes. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. There is a high probablity he would have survived |
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jhrobbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:29 PM Response to Reply #32 |
41. Well, I guess the case could be made for there to be an assessment |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
45. See? |
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snake in the grass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 04:08 AM Response to Reply #17 |
50. So, he had to kill the man... |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. serve and protect |
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bc3000 (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. They were serving him |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Also |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:18 PM Response to Original message |
21. So police can kill for just about any reason? A few bucks worth of drugs? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Do you know what happens when somebody eats a baggie of drugs (like Stogner did)? They die. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
40. or the go to the hospital and get thier stomach pumped. |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:43 AM Response to Reply #29 |
47. Many eat a bag of drugs |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. My itchy little trigger finger is hovering over UNrecommend, because of all the lame-ass |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I've worked in law enforcement. I've seen the cops who are assholes. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. yeah, I agree with you about the Deputies, but as far as the problems with 9/11, |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
42. Death by strangulation |
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ucfacde (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Legalizing drugs would cost to much |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:46 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. The bar moved and you didn't notice |
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Divine Discontent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. yes, you'd think people pushing pro-violent commentary would be tombstoned |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 05:35 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. .. |
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Postman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 05:15 AM Response to Original message |
51. @ 5:30 or 5:31 the dash video is cut and spliced.... |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 06:28 AM Response to Original message |
54. First of all the title of your post is wrong |
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agardner5079 (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. EXCUSE me sir, the details in your post are WRONG! |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I am sorry your friend died |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
56. He killed him. Pure and simple... |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 10:11 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I am not familiar with the term "fuckwit rube" |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 08:11 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Look at the video again... |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Your argument would carry some weight |
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